Ezekiel Elliott vs Lamar Miller

[Jenky]

This organization sees what they want to see. Miami wanted to keep Miller but they couldn't. They have cap issues. It was not that they didn't see him as worth the money per say. They just couldn't make it work with their cap. As to the money, Miller would have been much cheaper.

What do you mean? He's paid more than Elliott.

 

[percyhoward]

With a healthy Romo and Dez, I personally believe that Morris and a 3rd or 4th round running back would be enough behind this line.

Unless we really screwed up and got the wrong guy, they'd have to be. And the Ravens were offering us their 4th-rounder to trade down in the 1st, so we could have had him for free. But we wouldn't have played it that way because we were never thinking defense -- we wanted Lynch.

We didn't draft like we were planning on having a healthy Romo for much longer.

 

[Miller]

He split with Daniel Thomas 2-3 years into his career.

He would have split with Knowshon if he didnt tear his ACL.

And they have Ajayi now.

Miami didn't want to pay him and I dont remember him being in huge demand during free agency.

Dallas had 0 interest in him at his price. I can see why. He's paid top 6.

Reread what you wrote and you'll see why they are the Dolphins...Daniel Thomas/Knowshon...garbage. Ajayi is only talent they've had besides Miller. I pointed his average in his best year in 2014 and you have no explanation except he split. Not sure what 216 carries at 5.1 means to you then. Here are two nice quick articles on what most around the league were saying last year

http://nflspinzone.com/2015/09/28/lamar-miller-and-his-lack-of-usage/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...have-no-idea-how-to-properly-use-lamar-miller

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What do you mean? He's paid more than Elliott.

Not really. He has a 14 Mil guaranteed contract. That's basically 2 years with two more years of team options.

 

[Jenky]

Not really. He has a 14 Mil guaranteed contract. That's basically 2 years with two more years of team options.

You are right, I forgot that they didn't sign yet and what I'm seeing at overthecap isn't accurate. They have 4 year deals with the 5th being the option.

 

[Jenky]

Reread what you wrote and you'll see why they are the Dolphins...Daniel Thomas/Knowshon...garbage. Ajayi is only talent they've had besides Miller. I pointed his average in his best year in 2014 and you have no explanation except he split. Not sure what 216 carries at 5.1 means to you then. Here are two nice quick articles on what most around the league were saying last year

http://nflspinzone.com/2015/09/28/lamar-miller-and-his-lack-of-usage/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...have-no-idea-how-to-properly-use-lamar-miller

I agree that there's ineptness with the coaching and he didn't have the best blocking.

 

[Silver N Blue]

where is BP and his looney tune pic when you need it

 

[Virginia-Dave]

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Fine. So, he's more like LaDanian Tomlinson.

Can we not belittle LDT's athletiscism? Still haven't had a guy who can go over the top of a )-line like he could.

But sure let's say they are more similar. That is the problem. If your guy has to be that guy...just to be justified...yikes.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The loveliest you guys have for Lamar Miller. I never understood it. He's done NOTHING in the NFL despite being in the league or years.

 

[wileedog]

The loveliest you guys have for Lamar Miller. I never understood it. He's done NOTHING in the NFL despite being in the league or years.

1200 total yards and 10 TDs last year despite being underutilized and running behind a terrible Oline is now "NOTHING?"

Guy is a good RB. Maybe not elite but good, and certainly would produce very well behind this line and be a valuable part of the passing game as well. Only legitimate question is could he be a workhorse type back, as they didn't really use him that way in Miami for whatever reason.

 

[RoboQB]

Can we not belittle LDT's athletiscism? Still haven't had a guy who can go over the top of a )-line like he could.

But sure let's say they are more similar. That is the problem. If your guy has to be that guy...just to be justified...yikes.

First of all, Marcus Allen and Walter Payton mastered the over-the-top jump before LT was a twinkle in his daddy's eye.

RS compared EE to Peterson and Gurley. You called it a joke. Your logic says nobody can compare to a former or existing player until he's played a down in the NFL.
Well, everyone compares the new guy to the former or existing players. Whether he meets the expectations is irrelevant right now.

Jump off that high horse, fella. The ride's over and your mamma's all out of quarters.

 

[Miller]

The loveliest you guys have for Lamar Miller. I never understood it. He's done NOTHING in the NFL despite being in the league or years.

I would not call it a lovefest in the least but you are either not reading or have just glossed what Miller has done. As I wrote, in 4 years he averaged 4.9, 5.1, 4.0 and 4.5 yds per carry. In 2014 he was the 10th best rusher in the league while barely getting a workload behind a crap line. Out of the top 10 he had the lowest number of attempts..216 for 1099 and 5.1 avg. How is that "NOTHING?" Last year being an off and on starter he has 1200-1300 yrd total and 4.5 a carry. Not sure what constitutes something with you.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

First of all, Marcus Allen and Walter Payton mastered the over-the-top jump before LT was a twinkle in his daddy's eye.

RS compared EE to Peterson and Gurley. You called it a joke. Your logic says nobody can compare to a former or existing player until he's played a down in the NFL.
Well, everyone compares the new guy to the former or existing players. Whether he meets the expectations is irrelevant right now.

Jump off that high horse, fella. The ride's over and your mamma's all out of quarters.

I am talking athletically.

He isn't in the Gurley class who isn't in the Peterson class.

 

[Miller]

I am talking athletically.

He isn't in the Gurley class who isn't in the Peterson class.

Agree with your caution. Reggie Bush got all kinds of comparisons out of USC because of his speed, moves, etc...Gayle Sayers, etc and look what happened. Lets see if the kid can be himself and make a name vs sticking him with LT or Peterson or even Gurley (who is tough and good but had one year so far...people annointed Trent Richardson after 1 yr.)

 

[TwoDeep3]

So all I was told when Murray was leaving (read run off) was there is a shelf life for players at this position.

This kid has not run the ball once in pro pads.

Two things.

1. Maybe before people make a decision on what the value is, he should at the very least have a shot at actually getting on the field.

2. Before you decide how good he will be, perhaps you need to see him run behind this line.

My feeling is when he rips off his second or third 60 yard TD run berfoer Halloween, and maybe even before October, there won't be one fan on this site who will be complaining about the 4.

The draft slot has no intrinsic value other than what is placed there by opinions. And since more bust that make the Hall of Fame, it makes that draft slot even more arbitrary.

Take a breath. it will be okay.

 

[jnday]

Sorry, been gone since last Wednesday so I have not responded to anything.

I think the difference here is that nobody is claiming Ramsey is the second coming of Deion. However, there were plenty of claims that Sanders was the next Emmitt or LT or "Barry" if you like.

Week 2 or 3 is not my concern and I don't think it's the concern of most. This has been said more then once. The fact that you don't seem to want to understand this is curious. It's not the short term. Nobody questions the talent. It's the 4 and 5 years out that most people have concerns with.

Ramsey has been compared to Patrick Petersonn and other great DBs even though his interceptions don't compare. Ramsey fans have went a little overboard themselves. I don't disagree about the Zeke supporters and you have a good point there. Even the Dak supporters have him being the next Romo. I don't think any draft pick can be judged like on injuries that may or may not happen . Zeke has been healthy and durable during his college career and all we can do is hope that it continues in the pros. Correct me if I am wrong on Zeke's health. If he has had any injuries in college, please let me know.

 

[percyhoward]

My feeling is when he rips off his second or third 60 yard TD run before Halloween, and maybe even before October, there won't be one fan on this site who will be complaining about the 4.

That will be really fun to watch, but as long as good quarterbacks keep ripping our defense apart in the postseason it will be a questionable use of a #4 pick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ramsey has been compared to Patrick Petersonn and other great DBs even though his interceptions don't compare. Ramsey fans have went a little overboard themselves. I don't disagree about the Zeke supporters and you have a good point there. Even the Dak supporters have him being the next Romo. I don't think any draft pick can be judged like on injuries that may or may not happen . Zeke has been healthy and durable during his college career and all we can do is hope that it continues in the pros. Correct me if I am wrong on Zeke's health. If he has had any injuries in college, please let me know.

I have not seen that. I have seen that he has the same kind of athletic ability, which is true, but I have also seen posters specifically stipulate that he does not make the INTs that Peterson did. However, I don't read every post and there are certainly some I could have missed so I think the point is that neither are the best versions of Deion or AP.

In the case of Elliott, I am actually more concerned with injuries to Tony and/or Dez. I think if Tony and Dez are in good shape, we can see a Rookie of the year type performance from Elliott. With either one gone, I think Elliott could struggle a great deal. I don't see him, or really or team, the way many others do. I know that pro defenses can shut players down. I can count on one hand, the number of players I've seen play in the NFL that could not be stopped, regardless of what you did against them. I don't think Elliott is that guy but that's OK. I don't expect that from him.

I was not in favor of drafting Elliott. I don't think he's the best way to go for us. However, I don't dispute the fact that he could be a very good player for us. I don't believe he is one of those special players that are once in a life time kind of players but I can tell, just by the posts I see that many are expecting exactly that from him. If that doesn't happen for him, I am not looking forward to see how this fan base reacts towards him. These kind of things have a funny way of boomeranging. I just hope we don't see that with this player but I'll be honest, I can absolutely see it happening.

 

[DFWJC]

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The draft slot has no intrinsic value other than what is placed there by opinions. And since more bust that make the Hall of Fame, it makes that draft slot even more arbitrary.

Take a breath. it will be okay.

I think Zeke will be great
But come on TD3. I know you know better than the above bolded statement.

Draft slots absolutely have measurable value based on what they can be traded for and what the rookie contracts cost.
It goes WAY beyond opinion. They can be bought and sold and they have a real price.

That 4th overall is worth about TWO mid to late 1st rounders.

Just a random example, but you literally could possibly (with trades) get your choice of a two of the following: Shaq Lawson, Paxton Lynch, Sheldon Rankins, Paxton Lynch, Josh Doctson, Treadwell, etc... for what we paid for Elliott, and still have all your remaining picks (from pick 34 on) still left.