Ezekiel Elliott vs Lamar Miller

Zordon said:
Under this scenario, I truly believe the #4 pick should be someone that can help you transition into the post-Romo world. A top 5 pick is too valuable and too rare for this franchise to be satisfied with it only get one contract out of the pick. The chances of that happening multiplied by us drafting after a running back for obvious reasons. Ramsey would have helped us at DB/safety - two positions of need whether the window is open or closed. Not getting Ramsey now just means we'll have to pay a premium later in free agency considering how many FAs we have in the secondary after this year.[/quote

I hope they draft a few mid round CBs next year and avoid free agency. From a value standpoint, CBs don't usually live up to those big money contracts. Instead of using these late round picks on projects, they should draft CBs.
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Toruk_Makto said:
How do you feel about Lamar at half the cost AND the 4th overall pick in the draft. Or the 6th overall pick and an extra 4th rounder?
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Our 4th rounders are typically wasted picks, so a 4th rounder would be inconsequential to me. Runningbacks are typically the more plug and play positions in the NFL. Would you rather have a guy that can contribute in year 1 and possibly bring back the formula that gave us our one successful year in the past 5 or a player who might not really start performing up to the high standards of his position until year 3 and who still may get roasted because we have a questionable pass rush?
 
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Elliott's ceiling is a lot higher, and he has the tools to be an every down back.
 
kevm3 said:
Our 4th rounders are typically wasted picks, so a 4th rounder would be inconsequential to me. Runningbacks are typically the more plug and play positions in the NFL. Would you rather have a guy that can contribute in year 1 and possibly bring back the formula that gave us our one successful year in the past 5 or a player who might not really start performing up to the high standards of his position until year 3 and who still may get roasted because we have a questionable pass rush?
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We have a questionable defense. It takes defenders time to develop..... So we shouldn't draft them to help the questionable defense.

This is an argument you made.
 
phildadon86 said:
ID rather commit the money to a guy who knows where he plays. Ramsey isnt a corner, i dont care what he says. You dont allocate that kind of money to a guy who isnt very good at his position, and also has said he doesnt want to play safety.
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Ramsey will be playing corner for the Jags. You know, an actual NFL team making actual NFL decisions.
 
Zordon said:
Under this scenario, I truly believe the #4 pick should be someone that can help you transition into the post-Romo world. A top 5 pick is too valuable and too rare for this franchise to be satisfied with it only get one contract out of the pick. The chances of that happening multiplied by us drafting after a running back for obvious reasons. Ramsey would have helped us at DB/safety - two positions of need whether the window is open or closed. Not getting Ramsey now just means we'll have to pay a premium later in free agency considering how many FAs we have in the secondary after this year.
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i hear you, but you think Ramsey or any corner for that matter would help us transition in to the post Romo world?

And why do you assume Zeke will only get one contract here? He'll be 25 and most likely our best player on offense.
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't think that Hanspard is a good comparison to Miller. Miller has already shown much more as a RB.
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Which is why there is a massive "meh" coming out of Miami.

I wanted Miller, but that was before I knew Dallas would seriously consider Elliott.

I want a star running back, not just one of the dudes.
 
TheCount said:
You're gonna get crapped on by the Zeke love fest, but it's a valid conversation topic.

Given the fact that Zeke, without having taken an NFL snap yet, is already the best running back in the history of the world though - it's not a conversation that's going to go anywhere.

You could also flip the argument and say that by getting better value for Carr, and bringing back Mo, we were in a position to not HAVE to draft Jalen and instead go with the player the scouts and staff were most excited about.
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So the hype on Zeke is overblown, but a guy who basically never made a play in college is the real deal?

Holy hypocrisy.
 
erod said:
Which is why there is a massive "meh" coming out of Miami.

I wanted Miller, but that was before I knew Dallas would seriously consider Elliott.

I want a star running back, not just one of the dudes.
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Miller is not just "one of the dudes". At least, the NFL does not see him in that light. You don't pay a RB 6.5 Million a year if he is just a guy and there were multiple teams interested in him. Elliott may turn out to be a better back but Miller is not just a guy.

Miami didn't want to lose Miller and it's not Meh but they had other needs. That's why they drafted Ajay last year and Drake this year. That will be a much more cost effective solution for them in the short term but they were not indifferent about Miller. They wanted to keep him but they could not afford him. We may be in that same situation in a few years.
 
jnday said:
Ransey will have an actual NFL career, but it would be better at safety.
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I'm not going to argue with you. You know what you know, I know what I know. Let's chat about it in a couple of years and see where he's at.
 
erod said:
So the hype on Zeke is overblown, but a guy who basically never made a play in college is the real deal?

Holy hypocrisy.
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No kidding. I don't even believe that you are making this statement. You lose all credibility when you do this kind of stuff. Come on erod. You are not rated as the top player in the NFL Draft if you have never made a play and you no that. That's just silly.
 
erod said:
So the hype on Zeke is overblown, but a guy who basically never made a play in college is the real deal?

Holy hypocrisy.
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Holy hyperbole. Not making an interception is NOT the same thing as not making a play. Watch the video. He made plenty of plays, when teams actually tried to throw his way.

I personally would have drafted Ramsey. I see more value in a premier CB than a premier RB. And I love RBs. I love the running game. I've fought for the importance of it in many a thread.

But with the line we've built and the money we have already spent and will continue to spend, you don't need a premier back here. That's the point. Will he look great? Yes. Will he be better than what we have now? Yes. Leaps and bounds better. But what we had last year was mediocre at best, talent wise. Randle and McFadden? They are both below average and one isn't even in the league any longer.

Morris is a good, solid back. Yes, better than McFadden. McFadden last year got exactly what the offensive line gave him. Nothing more. Sometimes less.

Zeke is the best back we've had since Emmitt. No question. Behind this line he will be a top 5 back, in time. I don't think it happens this year, but it could. No one is arguing that. But with a healthy Romo and Dez, I personally believe that Morris and a 3rd or 4th round running back would be enough behind this line.

Drafting Ramsey would have made sure we had a premier CB after Carr and Claiborne are shown the door. And we'd be paying him well below average for what premier CBs are getting.

Zeke looks to be right at 10th in terms of per year average for RBs. Gurley will be making 2 mill a year less. Justin Forsett, who was top 5 in rushing yards in 2014 is making about 3.5 mill a year less. Latavius Murray and Thomas Rawls are making about 6 mill a year less.

Hey, I'll have fun watching Zeke run. I love a good running back. But next year won't be fun when we have to find a couple starting CBs. And if we can actually find one in FA, we will be paying him double what we'd be paying Ramsey.
 
Risen Star said:
I think he'll average 1,300 yards and 12 TDs. I'd imagine he'll have a few bigger years than that over his career. 1,500 plus, maybe flirt with 20 TDs. He'll also have that Emmitt trait of showing up when he's most needed.

If the Cowboys feature him this year, and it would be a crime not to, he'll win the rookie of the year going away.
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I concur. He has rookie of the year written all over him, assuming we put him to proper use. I think it is a reasonable assumption that he will be the feature back, but I can't imagine us running him in the ground to the extent we did Murray, at least in Elliott's first year.

I also think the performance bar you refer to is more than reasonable. While it is not a "gimme" that he will surpass those goals, it would seem likely he would meet them, and there is a substantial probability, that barring injury he will exceed those benchmarks.
 
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Miami didnt even offer this guy (Miller) a 2nd contract, and were in love with Zeke.

That speaks volumes of the type of player they know Miller is vs the type of player Zeke can be.
 
Scandri100 said:
Why does Gurley look 100x better than Elliott when watching highlights?
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That has been my concern. I have posted several times that Zeke didn't impress me like many of the great college RBs that I have watched in my lifetime. Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, and several others showed greatness. I hope Zeke is the same, but I haven't seen it in my limited viewing. With that being said, I have no problem drafting a great RB with the 4th if he is that good.
 
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