FA Spending Correlation With Winning

[mattjames2010]

LOL still being blinded by homerism.

Hardly. We sign Gholston and I'll be criticizing the front office.

I just don't whine my way through the off-season months because every big name FA and pet cat wasn't signed. You're blinded by emotion and don't want to understand.

 

[Sydla]

Hardly. We sign Gholston and I'll be criticizing the front office.

I just don't whine my way through the off-season months because every big name FA and pet cat wasn't signed. You're blinded by emotion and don't want to understand.

First, it's Goldson, not Gholston.

Two, you once again undermine yourself by setting up some ridiculous lame strawman that I wanted every big name FA signed.

I understand completely. I understand that the Cowboys shouldn't be dropping their pants for guys like Vernon or Jenkins. I've said as much about 400 times to the point I think you are either ignoring them or just purposely being obtuse. But what I also understand is that this team isn't good enough to win a SB and you can be both SMART and FISCALLY SOUND in free agency and make improvements to your team.

We had a big need this offseason called defensive end/pass rush. It was also well known this was a fairly weak draft for pass rushers. Then we got a double dose of good news for pass rush when Gregory got pinched for drugs. So how did we go about improving a huge need?

See, guys like you look at that chart that started this thread and think it somehow justifies what the Cowboys are doing, when in fact, it does not. It says that basically the way we do in roster building isn't working. If anyone doesn't understand and refuses to understand, it appears to be you.

 

[Killerinstinct]

The front office can do no wrong in the eyes of some. If we have done such a great job at cap management then how come we have so little room under the cap and had to restructure two players? Other teams are under the cap AND were able to bring in players to help their teams. Of course it's better to get players in the draft but when your picks never see the field then you have to add pieces in FA. A teams core should be made up of past 3rd, 4th and 5th rd picks. We can't even find guys in the 2nd round that can play. 1st rd o-linemen is about the only picks this team seems to be able to do well.

Looking at the prices of some of the FA's we were interested in but missed out on leaves me wondering what the team is even trying to do.

 

[Nightman]

FA is like spending on Room Service at a nice hotel. You can't live on it but it sure serves a purpose.

Yeah it's expensive but you know you can afford it and there is nothing like it.

You could get dressed and go down to the street and look for dinner or you could eat the crappy sandwiches you packed for the road trip or you could stay in your robe and order a hot meal delivered to your room in 20 minutes.

It's even better than the mini-bar at 2am when you want some cashews and a stoli.

I'm tired of eating crappy road sandwiches.

 

[mattjames2010]

First, it's Goldson, not Gholston.

Two, you once again undermine yourself by setting up some ridiculous lame strawman that I wanted every big name FA signed.

I understand completely. I understand that the Cowboys shouldn't be dropping their pants for guys like Vernon or Jenkins. I've said as much about 400 times to the point I think you are either ignoring them or just purposely being obtuse. But what I also understand is that this team isn't good enough to win a SB and you can be both SMART and FISCALLY SOUND in free agency and make improvements to your team.

We had a big need this offseason called defensive end/pass rush. It was also well known this was a fairly weak draft for pass rushers. Then we got a double dose of good news for pass rush when Gregory got pinched for drugs. So how did we go about improving a huge need?

See, guys like you look at that chart that started this thread and think it somehow justifies what the Cowboys are doing, when in fact, it does not. It says that basically the way we do in roster building isn't working. If anyone doesn't understand and refuses to understand, it appears to be you.

You haven't said a SINGLE thing in ANY thread to justify your whining. Nothing, you've been taking to the shed and back on your opinion, and you CONTINUE to repeat it. Just. Stop!

"Fairly weak draft for pass rushers" - Dude WHAT are you talking about? "Weak" - No. Not a GREAT pass rushing class, but there are a good amount of quality pass rush prospects. You are whining, still, over a 31 year old pass rusher and a middle of the road RB that you were drooling over.

Lastly: We are in position to take THE top pass rushing prospect in the draft. Yet, you'd still prefer to whine before the draft plays out.

Here is your chance, Sydla. Give me your run down of what we should have done the past few offseasons. Give me the FA you wanted, the draft prospects. I want to see how well your FA pickups have done, how well it would have fit with the cap.

 

[Stash]

You haven't said a SINGLE thing in ANY thread to justify your whining. Nothing, you've been taking to the shed and back on your opinion, and you CONTINUE to repeat it. Just. Stop!

"Fairly weak draft for pass rushers" - Dude WHAT are you talking about? "Weak" - No. Not a GREAT pass rushing class, but there are a good amount of quality pass rush prospects. You are whining, still, over a 31 year old pass rusher and a middle of the road RB that you were drooling over.

Lastly: We are in position to take THE top pass rushing prospect in the draft.

And a lesser player than the guy we're pushing out the door. And it will only cost you the #4 overall pick to get worse.

 

[mattjames2010]

And a lesser player than the guy we're pushing out the door. And it will only cost you the #4 overall pick to get worse.

Is this what you saw in your crystal ball, Stash? "Lesser player" - Should I link you what scouts are saying, or should we go by your already well-known piss poor scouting eye? I mean, you had such a well reviewed scouting report on Myles Jack.

 

[Stash]

Is this what you saw in your crystal ball, Stash? "Lesser player" - Should I link you what scouts are saying, or should we go by your already well-known piss poor scouting eye? I mean, you had such a well reviewed scouting report on Myles Jack.

80% Myles Jack? You keep on banging on that drum!

Crystal ball nothing. We also got 'the best pass rusher' in last year's draft. And got 0 sacks to show for it! It doesn't take a crystal ball to find out that rookie pass rushers don't put up big numbers, just a brain and some research into the facts.

 

[cowboy_ron]

I wonder if there's a correlation between not trying to improve the team and winning?........ah well, who needs QB's and RB's to win in this league anyway

 

[mattjames2010]

80% Myles Jack? You keep on banging on that drum!

Crystal ball nothing. We also got 'the best pass rusher' in last year's draft. And got 0 sacks to show for it! It doesn't take a crystal ball to find out that rookie pass rushers don't put up big numbers, just a brain and some research into the facts.

That "80% Myles Jack" still impressed at his pro-day.

"Rookie pass rushers don't put up big numbers" - Von Miller? Aldon Smith? Aaron Donald? Ezekiel Ansah? All came out of recent drafts, first year impact players. Remember you said "rookie rushers don't put up big numbers" - I'm guessing the goal post here will be 20 sack seasons though, right?

And you draft players, they have a 4 year deal to develop under you and reach their potential. Avoiding the TOP DE in the draft because he won't have double digit sacks his first year is a stupid strategy.

 

[Stash]

That "80% Myles Jack" still impressed at his pro-day.

"Rookie pass rushers don't put up big numbers" - Von Miller? Aldon Smith? Aaron Donald? Ezekiel Ansah? All came out of recent drafts, first year impact players. Remember you said "rookie rushers don't put up big numbers" - I'm guessing the goal post here will be 20 sack seasons though, right?

Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself. It's a well-established fact that rookie rushers don't put up big numbers, even the great ones like Watt. And I'll say it again in case it was missed. We got the 'best pass rusher in the draft' last year and have 0 sacks and a drug suspension to show for it. That about as 'recent draft' as you're gonna get.

And you draft players, they have a 4 year deal to develop under you and reach their potential. Avoiding the TOP DE in the draft because he won't have double digit sacks his first year is a stupid strategy.

But drafting him at #4 overall and expecting him to fix your problems this year is even dumber. I'm not bashing Bosa the player, I'm bashing the idea of letting a proven player walk out the door and then using your first round pick expecting a rookie to replace him, using your best draft asset in the process.

 

[Sydla]

You haven't said a SINGLE thing in ANY thread to justify your whining. Nothing, you've been taking to the shed and back on your opinion, and you CONTINUE to repeat it. Just. Stop!

"Fairly weak draft for pass rushers" - Dude WHAT are you talking about? "Weak" - No. Not a GREAT pass rushing class, but there are a good amount of quality pass rush prospects. You are whining, still, over a 31 year old pass rusher and a middle of the road RB that you were drooling over.

Lastly: We are in position to take THE top pass rushing prospect in the draft. Yet, you'd still prefer to whine before the draft plays out.

Here is your chance, Sydla. Give me your run down of what we should have done the past few offseasons. Give me the FA you wanted, the draft prospects. I want to see how well your FA pickups have done, how well it would have fit with the cap.

LOL, taken to the shed? Hardly. I've said quite a few things to justify my positions but typically, you ignore them becuase you are in full blown defense mode for the front office. Hardly a shock there. And you've agreed with such things as we can't sign a guy like Williams because we have to worry about signing our OL, even though Williams signed a deal that would have him not being a problem for resigning our OL.

It is a fairly weak draft for pass rushers. Bosa, the top DE in the draft, has mixed reviews on whether he can be an elite pass rusher at the next level. The next best pass rusher is probably Spence, and he has some character issues.

And shoot, that's even assuming they even wanted to go DE with that first pick. Which also highlights the point being made that the less holes filled in free agency the more holes you find yourself with in the draft. So they can't just settle on Bosa. They might have to go Elliott. Or Ramsey. Why? Because they have so many holes they just aren't filling.

Your entire post reads exactly how I'd expect a front office apologist to try to rationalize away the mistakes they made and why, today, they have an issue at DE.

 

[mattjames2010]

Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself. It's a well-established fact that rookie rushers don't put up big numbers, even the great ones like Watt. And I'll say it again in case it was missed. We got the 'best pass rusher in the draft' last year and have 0 sacks and a drug suspension to show for it. That about as 'recent draft' as you're gonna get.



But drafting him at #4 overall and expecting him to fix your problems this year is even dumber. I'm not bashing Bosa the player, I'm bashing the idea of letting a proven player walk out the door and then using your first round pick expecting a rookie to replace him, using your best draft asset in the process.

And yet, I just gave you 4 pass rushers that came out of recent drafts that put up good/great pass rushing statistics in their first year? That was just off the top of my head too. You generalized and was wrong. Moving on.

But drafting him at #4 overall and expecting him to fix your problems this year is even dumber.

Who said he was going to fix our problems alone? Jesus, we just added a DT to our line through FA that will help the run. This SHOULD help Crawford. We expect Lawrence to make a jump and start where he left off last year. That and adding an all-around good player like Bosa would be PART of fixing our D-Line.

And stop acting like you don't know why Hardy is "walking out the door" - One, he stirred up the media. Two, sideline fits and putting his hands on a coach. Three, not having as much of an impact as we were hoping. Stop being intentionally ignorant on the subject, it's irritating.

 

[mattjames2010]

LOL, taken to the shed? Hardly. I've said quite a few things to justify my positions but typically, you ignore them becuase you are in full blown defense mode for the front office. Hardly a shock there.

It is a fairly weak draft for pass rushers. Bosa, the top DE in the draft, has mixed reviews on whether he can be an elite pass rusher at the next level. The next best pass rusher is probably Spence, and he has some character issues.

And shoot, that's even assuming they even wanted to go DE with that first pick. Which also highlights the point being made that the less holes filled in free agency the more holes you find yourself with in the draft. So they can't just settle on Bosa. They might have to go Elliott. Or Ramsey. Why? Because they have so many holes they just aren't filling.

Your entire post reads exactly how I'd expect a front office apologist to try to rationalize away the mistakes they made and why, today, they have an issue at DE.

It is a fairly weak draft for pass rushers. Bosa, the top DE in the draft, has mixed reviews on whether he can be an elite pass rusher at the next level.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/17/draft-joey-bosa-scouting-report/
http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/scoutingreport2016jbosa.php
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2060764/joey-bosa
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/joey-bosa?id=2555249

The most mixed of those reports was NFL.com. Bosa is an all-around great player, great run blocker and a very good pass rusher that scouts believe can translate into the NFL. The guy doesn't get Jared Allen comparisons for being a mediocre pass rush prospect.

And here I am, I'm willing to let you type out your 5 year plan starting from 2011.

Once again: What players did you want us to take? So we take Bosa, what corner? Hayward that hardly had any interest? Robinson who is a ghost in FA? How about safety, Weddle? The safety who battled injuries with declining production?

Your plans this offseason all have holes in them and could equally be whined about from others. The same people crying this year was part of that Peterson train wreck last year.

 

[Stash]

And yet, I just gave you 4 pass rushers that came out of recent drafts that put up good/great pass rushing statistics in their first year? That was just off the top of my head too. You generalized and was wrong. Moving on.

As expected. Ignore the real numbers and cherry pick a few names. Why don't you tell me how we'll get the next Romo as an undrafted free agent too while you're at it? You should "move on".

Who said he was going to fix our problems alone? Jesus, we just added a DT to our line through FA that will help the run. This SHOULD help Crawford. We expect Lawrence to make a jump and start where he left off last year. That and adding an all-around good player like Bosa would be PART of fixing our D-Line.

"Should" "Expect" "Expect". An awful lot of hope and wishful thinking in there. But that fits right in with the Jones' business model.

And stop acting like you don't know why Hardy is "walking out the door" - One, he stirred up the media. Two, sideline fits and putting his hands on a coach. Three, not having as much of an impact as we were hoping. Stop being intentionally ignorant on the subject, it's irritating.

Before you try to call anyone else "ignorant" take a look at yourself first. "Stirred up the media"? Oh no! Send him packing! as for sideline fits? Dez Bryant did the same thing and got rewarded after the fact. And despite not having as much of an impact, he was still the team's best and most-feared pass rusher.

 

[Sydla]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/17/draft-joey-bosa-scouting-report/
http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/scoutingreport2016jbosa.php
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2060764/joey-bosa
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/joey-bosa?id=2555249

The most mixed of those reports was NFL.com. Bosa is an all-around great player, great run blocker and a very good pass rusher that scouts believe can translate into the NFL. The guy doesn't get Jared Allen comparisons for being a mediocre pass rush prospect.

And here I am, I'm willing to let you type out your 5 year plan starting from 2011.

LOL.

So the CBS link that proves your point states that he's not an exceptional edge rusher with elite pass rushing speed with inconsistent get off from the ball and that he'll probably never be a consistent double digit sack guy in the NFL.

The Walter Football link talks about how in a strong draft some have said he'd not likely be a Top 5 pick and that he lacks speed to be an elite pass rusher.

Basically the links, other than PFF, you just gave support the position that Bosa is a very good player but many scouts feel he lacks elite speed and athleticism to be an elite NFL pass rusher. So if you and the Cowboys are thinking that they could wait to the draft to get Bosa and he would bring elite pass rushing skills to Dallas, you'd probably be mistaken.

And for the record, I can live with Bosa at 4 in the draft because of how the draft looks in that Top 10. But I also understand that what I am probably getting from Bosa is a good strongside type defensive end in time that might be able to give you 8-9 sacks a year but not consistent double digit sack numbers like the elite pass rushers.

And what's the point of typing out a 5 year plan just to have you complain and whine about how flawed it is? You shot down the belief that they should have signed either Wiliams or Miller this year, so why waste both our times typing out a long response that you'll just disregard anyway.

 

[mattjames2010]

As expected. Ignore the real numbers and cherry pick a few names. Why don't you tell me how we'll get the next Romo as an undrafted free agent too while you're at it? You should "move on".



"Should" "Expect" "Expect". An awful lot of hope and wishful thinking in there. But that fits right in with the Jones' business model.



Before you try to call anyone else "ignorant" take a look at yourself first. "Stirred up the media"? Oh no! Send him packing! as for sideline fits? Dez Bryant did the same thing and got rewarded after the fact. And despite not having as much of an impact, he was still the team's best and most-feared pass rusher.

Haha, dude your stance can be said about EVERY position outside of maybe running back and offensive lineman. And it's not like I went back 20 years to find these players, each came out of the from 2011-2015. Once again: You said rookie DE don't come out and put up big number, me simply posting one name would have proved you wrong. Moving on!

You can say the same for Hardy, genius - "Hardy didn't live up to his name in 2015? Well He SHOULD be better this year"

We brought Hardy in on a VERY short leash with a prove it deal: Right off the bat, he antagonized and gave the media soundbites. Few games later, he put his hands on a coach. Most of what Dez did was early in his career and Stephen and Jerry BOTH told him to straighten up or get out. Dez has been relatively quiet since, the sideline "fit" turned out to be far less when we heard audio. Not the same with Hardy.

So yes, you're ignorant. I don't think you're stupid, just like last year and your "We are one player away, give a first for Peterson" comments, this is pure emotion based.

 

[mattjames2010]

LOL.

So the CBS link that proves your point states that he's not an exceptional edge rusher with elite pass rushing speed with inconsistent get off from the ball and that he'll probably never be a consistent double digit sack guy in the NFL.

The Walter Football link talks about how in a strong draft some have said he'd not likely be a Top 5 pick and that he lacks speed to be an elite pass rusher.

Basically the links, other than PFF, you just gave support the position that Bosa is a very good player but many scouts feel he lacks elite speed and athleticism to be an elite NFL pass rusher. So if you and the Cowboys are thinking that they could wait to the draft to get Bosa and he would bring elite pass rushing skills to Dallas, you'd probably be mistaken.

And for the record, I can live with Bosa at 4 in the draft because of how the draft looks in that Top 10. But I also understand that what I am probably getting from Bosa is a good strongside type defensive end in time that might be able to give you 8-9 sacks a year but not consistent double digit sack numbers like the elite pass rushers.

And what's the point of typing out a 5 year plan just to have you complain and whine about how flawed it is? You shot down the belief that they should have signed either Wiliams or Miller this year, so why waste both our times typing out a long response that you'll just disregard anyway.

Each one of those links ALL say he has potential to be a double digit sack player. It's not "mixed", he has about as many question marks as other prospects in nearly every draft. The conclusion they are making is this: He's not Watt, he's more of an Allen/Kerrigan-like DE/LB. Both are/were consistent/great pass rushers.

I'm still waiting on your grand plan to be written out.

 

[Sydla]

Each one of those links ALL say he has potential to be a double digit sack player. It's not "mixed", he has about as many question marks as other prospects in nearly every draft.

I'm still waiting on your grand plan to be written out.

Again, what's the point of writing out my grand 5 year plan if we both know regardless of what I say, you'll disregard it?

I can tell you one thing, I wouldn't have signed Carr. I thought he was overrated.

 

[Craig]

I wonder if there's a correlation between not trying to improve the team and winning?........ah well, who needs QB's and RB's to win in this league anyway

I guess the obvious answer would be: the Denver Broncos.