CFZ Fe, Fi, FO, Fum, methinks the FO is not dumb

[Reid1boys]

@Reid1boys

Yes it is. And I didn’t see his post and why I attached him here.

I’m not sure why fellow fans get so worked up over differing attitudes towards others fellow fans who follow their team.

We all don’t conduct ourselves in the same manner. Whether you’re a half full or empty type fan it doesn’t mean you’ve elevated yourself above others because you cheer louder or are more critical thinking . Doesn’t mean can offer better analysis , obtain greater instincts , etc.

This attempt at discrediting other fans because we take different approaches has to stop. I’ve sat to many fellow fans at a game I’d never invite into my house but they have the right within the laws or rules to express and conduct themselves however they choose. We are all still rooting for the sum,

I applaud how Reid enjoys his fandom but that’s his choice. It’s not a bar for everyone, We have to stop the attempt at division amongst fans much like we’ve done in society.

I agree. We can agree to disagree without slinging insults.........but, as you said, we are in a different place now. It appears slinging insults is now the preferred way of talking in many parts of our society now. It is quite depressing actually.

 

[Diehardblues]

I live my life by the glass half full outlook. That’s all. I do think that’s better than folks like you who live the glass half empty life.

Again , that’s your choice. And that’s fine. But if you think you’ve elevated yourself above others or that your half full glass offers greater analysis or insight to the Cowboys, there inlies a bigger issue.

We can embrace all types of fans. We need cheerleaders and we also need critical analysis. And despite all of our differences and approaches to expressing our fandom we all still are supporting the sum.

Much like in social issues we are often divided or differ on the policies , direction and current state but when our boots hit the ground in conflict or for 60 minutes17 weeks a year we come together for the same result.

 

[Diehardblues]

And they deserve criticism but that’s no reason to ***** and moan all the time and give up based on the recent past. That’s for losers.

There you go again trying to label those who take a different approach attempting to elevate yourself while discrediting them simply because you don’t like their criticism.

 

[Diehardblues]

I agree. We can agree to disagree without slinging insults.........but, as you said, we are in a different place now. It appears slinging insults is now the preferred way of talking in many parts of our society now. It is quite depressing actually.

Yes it is . And if this site ends up being like other social media sites severely divided as such in society, I’m out.

We look like we might be reaching a different place. I’d say based on our recent history this era I’d wait at least until January begin anointing while we can still enjoy the ride. I feel it could be changing too cause this defense. But we must realize it’s been so long we have to understand why everyone is cautious.

This could be first time in 15 years we’ve made playoffs in consecutive years. I’d like to see some deeper runs in playoffs and consistently making the playoffs before I say we’ve moved on.

 

[Reid1boys]

4 straight seasons making the playoffs. We haven’t made the playoffs in consecutive seasons since 2007.

And they made championship game 3 years ago. Cowboys are 1 of 5 NFL teams which haven’t made a SB since 1996. And one of 3 in NFC haven’t made champ game since 1996.

I’m not quite sure why you think the Cowboys are on a higher plateau this era than some of these others. Cowboys are a model of mediocrity this era.

You didnt hear me putting the Cowboys up above anyone. The current NFL, which I LOVE and hate at the same time, this NFL means teams come out of nowhere, make a SB, maybe even win it, then suck again. Why? Because most of these teams are so close that there are not really truly dominant teams. In the 70s and 80s it was the Raiders, Steelers, Cowboys, Dolphins, Niners that really had sustained dominance. When those teams won the SB, you believed they were simply the best team in football that year. In 1993 there was zero doubt the niners or the Cowboys were going to the SB that year, because they were the best. IN 2014 we were what, 12-4? We could have EASILY been 7-9 or 8-8 because we won some very close games.

Look at last year. The divisional rd, any of those 8 teams could have won those games. 3 decided by a last second FG. Title games same thing, SB, same thing. NONE of those teams were clearly better than any other team. It makes for exciting games, but that salary cap has destroyed dominance, and for me, that is bad for the game.

So in the end, I just dont feel anyone of these coaches, GMs, owners, teams are that much better than anyone else. Ive said it a million times. Teams mostly fall within that bell shaped curve. 90% of the rosters are pretty similar(I think Bills and Cowboys defense are exceptions this year) and the thing that mostly separates them is.... well, you know.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The Giants loss was not because of the receivers. TO was a star receiver. He just didn't have it.
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I don't think the Giants loss was mainly because of wide receiver. Crayton was money all season long. He just cracked under pressure. Glenn was coming off injury and TO just couldn't gut it out, he was spent.

That wasn't because we didn't have good receivers. We simply had good receivers who didn't perform, everything else considered.

Sam Hurd, a temporarily hobbled TO, a permanently hobbled Terry Glenn, and Crayton.
That look like a playoff-winning receiving corps to you? One healthy and competent WR?
Glenn got injured in *camp*. We had all season to bring in a competent WR to replace Glenn. All season to upgrade from Sam Hurd as our 3rd WR.
They *chose* to do nothing at WR after Glenn got injured.
Instead, we did nothing all year, and then gave Glenn the last snaps of his career in our best chance to get to the Super Bowl since the 90s.
All sorts of imperfections lost that game. One that they *could have*, and *should have* fixed before the season started was depth at WR.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Lol. They’ve made it further than us this century

The Titans have even been to a SB since we last were.

 

[Rockport]

Again , that’s your choice. And that’s fine. But if you think you’ve elevated yourself above others or that your half full glass offers greater analysis or insight to the Cowboys, there inlies a bigger issue.

We can embrace all types of fans. We need cheerleaders and we also need critical analysis. And despite all of our differences and approaches to expressing our fandom we all still are supporting the sum.

Much like in social issues we are often divided or differ on the policies , direction and current state but when our boots hit the ground in conflict or for 60 minutes17 weeks a year we come together for the same result.

Didn’t say any of that. I only said it’s better to be a glass half full person than the opposite. Quit trying to change what I said to make yourself feel better. Jeez.

 

[CouchCoach]

We can't let it go because these are the same people who allowed the redheaded loser to steer the ship in the wrong direction for 9 years. An owner who truly cared about winning would've pulled the plug on him after his 3rd consecutive 8-8 record.

Yes they did but that was then and now could be different. All I am saying is shouldn't we at least give it a chance?

There just seems to be so much frustration and unhappiness with many members here with a 6-2 team doing better than most anticipated. If it all comes undone, what have we lost? We'll have plenty of time to commiserate.

I've spoken about my football mind and Cowboys heart but it is that heart that makes me a fan but I will agree, both are at odds many times with this franchise.

There's a saying about those that do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it. But those that drag the past with them are condemned to a cloudy present. I learned that the hard way.

 

[ConstantReboot]

This FO just does enough to keep some of us happy, but not enough to really get us to the Superbowl. They could have done so much more to break that cycle and get us over the top. But they are scared. And they are reactive to every move they make.

Like drafting Zeke 4th overall. If they would have signed Murray in 2014 we could have possibly get back to the playoffs in 2015 with Murray. Then we would not need to spend a 4th overall pick on a running back.

Dallas plays hardball to some players and they cave to others that don't perform, like Zeke, Smith and Tank. Then they let players walk like Cooper for very little compensation, which might bite us when it comes to better defenses this season.

 

[dsturgeon]

This FO just does enough to keep some of us happy, but not enough to really get us to the Superbowl. They could have done so much more to break that cycle and get us over the top. But they are scared. And they are reactive to every move they make.

Like drafting Zeke 4th overall. If they would have signed Murray in 2014 we could have possibly get back to the playoffs in 2015 with Murray. Then we would not need to spend a 4th overall pick on a running back.

Dallas plays hardball to some players and they cave to others that don't perform, like Zeke, Smith and Tank. Then they let players walk like Cooper for very little compensation, which might bite us when it comes to better defenses this season.

You think Jerry is scared? When i look at Jerry, I see a dude who has done whatever he wants, and there is no fear in him

 

[ConstantReboot]

You think Jerry is scared? When i look at Jerry, I see a dude who has done whatever he wants, and there is no fear in him

Who said Jerry is scared? Why should he be...he owns the team. The problem is that he is scared. He can mess up with anything and no one is gonna fired him.

 

[dsturgeon]

Who said Jerry is scared? Why should he be...he owns the team. The problem is that he is scared. He can mess up with anything and no one is gonna fired him.

the quote i quoted said jerry is scared

Your quote

How much have you had to drink tonight?

 

[ConstantReboot]

the quote i quoted said jerry is scared

Your quote

How much have you had to drink tonight?

Jerry is not scared. He is a coward.

 

[NeathBlue]

like someone said... squirrel finds a nut... right?

Also, notice how each of those teams have had 1, maybe 2 HOF qbs? So that made that front office 'Good." Now the HOF Qb is gone and they suck. Predictable.

Well since our HOF QB has gone, we’ve won sweet FA… and in over 20 years we’ve failed to find someone close to HOF quality to replace him while those others did.

 

[Diehardblues]

Didn’t say any of that. I only said it’s better to be a glass half full person than the opposite. Quit trying to change what I said to make yourself feel better. Jeez.

Not everyone who provides critical thinking are half empty glass fans . They just aren’t 24/7 cheerleaders. Which there isn’t thing wrong with that. We need cheerleaders. They serve a purpose too.

Fortunately we have some fans who look beyond and dig deeper with evaluations and analysis which often critique and compliment. There is a place for those who can offer and provide such.

And it’s not always for the more sensitive fan. As it can come off negative and often critique some of our favorite players, etc.

There’s room for all types of fans but when we have one segment calling the others losers then it’s simply an immature or lazy attempt to discredit their position when basically are unable or unwilling to take on the argument with intellect content and substance .

 

[tyke1doe]

The difference this year is that they have new coaching consultants, to whom they are listening.

We'll see.

 

[Diehardblues]

Well since our HOF QB has gone, we’ve won sweet FA… and in over 20 years we’ve failed to find someone close to HOF quality to replace him while those others did.

@Reid1boys
Reid , this is a fair argument especially for a fan who has admittedly argued that the NFL is largely separated by the Elite QB teams and those without.

And for someone who has argued and or lobbied that you think or believe our ownership has done a good job and has turned the corner while also being a critic of our QB , the Cowboys have definitely not prioritized attempting to acquire this era a more Elite QB which has made their efforts to build a championship caliber team more difficult .

 

[tyke1doe]

Sam Hurd, a temporarily hobbled TO, a permanently hobbled Terry Glenn, and Crayton.
That look like a playoff-winning receiving corps to you? One healthy and competent WR?
Glenn got injured in *camp*. We had all season to bring in a competent WR to replace Glenn. All season to upgrade from Sam Hurd as our 3rd WR.
They *chose* to do nothing at WR after Glenn got injured.
Instead, we did nothing all year, and then gave Glenn the last snaps of his career in our best chance to get to the Super Bowl since the 90s.
All sorts of imperfections lost that game. One that they *could have*, and *should have* fixed before the season started was depth at WR.

Did NOTHING all year?

Dallas had the second ranked offense behind the Patriots, the fourth ranked passing attack.
Dallas had a 13-3 record, tied for second best with two other teams (Indy and Green Bay) and only behind unbeaten New England.
Dallas had the No. 1 seed in the NFC.

My oh my, how did they accomplish all this with average receivers?

Furthermore, injuries are the outlier. Of course, if your receiving corps gets injured, you're not going to perform as well. But that goes for ANY position.

The Cowboys had enough to beat the Giants. They just didn't. And, as always, the loss was a combination of factors. But it wasn't solely because the Cowboys didn't have talented receivers. Banged up? Yes.

But they got that far with the talent they had. They beat the Giants twice in the regular season. Injuries and fatigue to the receivers likely contributed to the loss, but not the talent at receiver.

Again, the Patriots had Randy Moss and loss (pardon the rhyme) to the Giants. A star receiver can help, certainly, but I don't think he makes the ultimate difference. The difference makers are your coach, your quarterback and your pass rush. I don't care how great your receivers are, if you quarterback is under duress or if your quarterback isn't accurate on his throws, you're not winning.

For goodness' sake, the 1995 Pittsburgh Steelers team had the unstoppable duo of Charles Johnson and Yancy Thigpen as starting receivers. And the Steelers likely would have beaten us if not for the accuracy of Neil O'Donnell completing passes to his favorite target that day - Larry Brown.

I rest my case, your honor.

 

[Runwildboys]

Who said Jerry is scared? Why should he be...he owns the team. The problem is that he is scared. He can mess up with anything and no one is gonna fired him.

I have so many responses, I don't know which one to...Dude, you just said he was scared, then you ask, "Who said Jerry is scared? Why should he be?" Then you said he's scared again.

Edit: Then you said he's not scared, he's a coward. How many people are in your head right now?