Fedor: The Baddest Man On The Planet

[DemonBlood]

I'd say 30 million people disagree but that's cool. Everyone has their music preference.

I think you misunderstood me. I actually own their first two albums and liked both. The 30 million is what bothers me...A bunch of them formed a million crappy bands because of Korn.:bang2:

 

[Route 66]

I think you misunderstood me. I actually own their first two albums and liked both. The 30 million is what bothers me...A bunch of them formed a million crappy bands because of Korn.:bang2:

I did. My apologies.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The ref broke them up after Lesner landed an illegal blow. Lesner was right back in control on the ground ... except he kept getting submission attempts against him.

Lesner was able to take Mir down twice but both times he did, Mir kept attempting knee bars. Mir finally got the knee bar to stick and Lesner TAPPED OUT with over a minute to go in round 1.

Any fighter who fights Lesner will submit him now or lose trying.

It is the MMA and in championship caliber fights they don't stop it for blows unless a guys eyes are completely glazed.

Mir couldn't knock out one of the lightest heavyweights he will face....

Lesner need a lot more BJJ training before he can be a top heavyweight.

Just like he needed to learn to play football before he could get on a regular season NFL roster.

White. Kimbo. Slice.

I was with you, to some degree, with what you were saying here until the very last line. The mere fact that you made such an idiotic statement took any, and all, credibility away from your above thoughts or any future thoughts you have on MMA.

To put it as nicely as possible Kimbo would crap himself at the thought of even having to step into the cage with Brock.

GSP has already beaten Penn once and will do so again. GSP is a markedly better fighter now.

Silva has to beat good fighters before he can claim anything. He is impressive but the guys he fights are far from it.

Penn is only 2-3 in his last 5 fights and at 170 he is very beatable.

GSP won an EXTREMELY close split decision over Penn. It's very debatable, watching that fight, on whether GSP should have even won.

Now while I think GSP will win, cause he's a better fighter, this idea that Penn is just going to be walked over is insane. Penn is a darn good fighter, and probably has the best ability to jab an opponent to death that I've seen. He's a darn good technical fighter and this won't be a walk in the park for GSP.

Silva hasn't beaten anyone? Are you serious? Are you seriously going to try and claim, with a straight face, that Rich Franklin and Dan Henderson are not great fighters? You'd have to be a complete moron to even consider making such an ignorant statement. Silva is 3-0 against just those two names. Silva is legit and at 185 he simply has no equal.

I'm glad he's fighting at 205 as well so that there can be some interesting 205 match ups.

And I don't know where you're getting your numbers but Penn is 3-2 in his last five fights, coming into this one on a 3 fight win streak having beaten Jens Pulver, Joe Stevenson, and Sean Sherk in that order. The two losses, prior to that, just happened to be that extremely close split decision to GSP and a loss to Matt Hughes, at the time when Matt Hughes was on fire and the best Welterweight fighter in the world. That win over Penn was the 6th straight win for Hughes (Which included wins over GSP, Frank Trigg, and Royce Gracie) and was his 12th win in his last 13 fights at that time (In those 12 wins he had another win over Trigg and a win over Sherk as well). The only loss during that stretch being to....BJ Penn.

So, yeah, it's not like Penn is some walk in the park who gets beat all the time or can't hang with the big boys.

 

[QT]

Rickson by armbar...

 

[jterrell]

I was with you, to some degree, with what you were saying here until the very last line. The mere fact that you made such an idiotic statement took any, and all, credibility away from your above thoughts or any future thoughts you have on MMA.

To put it as nicely as possible Kimbo would crap himself at the thought of even having to step into the cage with Brock.




GSP won an EXTREMELY close split decision over Penn. It's very debatable, watching that fight, on whether GSP should have even won.

Now while I think GSP will win, cause he's a better fighter, this idea that Penn is just going to be walked over is insane. Penn is a darn good fighter, and probably has the best ability to jab an opponent to death that I've seen. He's a darn good technical fighter and this won't be a walk in the park for GSP.

Silva hasn't beaten anyone? Are you serious? Are you seriously going to try and claim, with a straight face, that Rich Franklin and Dan Henderson are not great fighters? You'd have to be a complete moron to even consider making such an ignorant statement. Silva is 3-0 against just those two names. Silva is legit and at 185 he simply has no equal.

I'm glad he's fighting at 205 as well so that there can be some interesting 205 match ups.

And I don't know where you're getting your numbers but Penn is 3-2 in his last five fights, coming into this one on a 3 fight win streak having beaten Jens Pulver, Joe Stevenson, and Sean Sherk in that order. The two losses, prior to that, just happened to be that extremely close split decision to GSP and a loss to Matt Hughes, at the time when Matt Hughes was on fire and the best Welterweight fighter in the world. That win over Penn was the 6th straight win for Hughes (Which included wins over GSP, Frank Trigg, and Royce Gracie) and was his 12th win in his last 13 fights at that time (In those 12 wins he had another win over Trigg and a win over Sherk as well). The only loss during that stretch being to....BJ Penn.

So, yeah, it's not like Penn is some walk in the park who gets beat all the time or can't hang with the big boys.

Wanna take back your comments about Penn-GSP now??

lol.

Find me a current ranking that has either Henderson or Rich Franklin in the top for Middleweight???

How has Anderson fared versus the top 5 at his weight class which is a soft one.

mmaweekly.

MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION (185-pound limit)

#1 Middleweight Fighter in the World: Anderson Silva

2. Robbie Lawler --- haven't fought him.

3. Matt Lindland --- haven't fought him.

4. Yushin Okami --- Lost by DQ.

5. Nathan Marquardt --- Beat by TKO in 2007.



They do rate Henderson 7th but that's the only fighter of the 6-10 slots Anderson has fought.

Also Silva wants to retire. He is just not a serious fighter who loves the game.

He's a great athlete and the best kickboxer in the world but he needs to step up and fight. His accuracy on punched and kicks is uncanny. He has strong legs like any good fighter and he is a handful to be sure. But this over the top worship of him is based on nothing more than him winning a few fights against tough but unathletic opponents who he pounded.

Dana wants him to move to 205 because that is what will sell ppv buys.

 

[Dallas]

Korn started fizzling out after they realeased issues.

Now they suck (like OU) and want to release stupid music with Amy Lee.

How is the broke down POS truck running? Oh its not? It must be those 50$ speakers you put in it. Take them out.

 

[MrMom]

Wanna take back your comments about Penn-GSP now??

lol.

Find me a current ranking that has either Henderson or Rich Franklin in the top for Middleweight???

How has Anderson fared versus the top 5 at his weight class which is a soft one.

mmaweekly.

MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION (185-pound limit)

#1 Middleweight Fighter in the World: Anderson Silva

2. Robbie Lawler --- haven't fought him.

3. Matt Lindland --- haven't fought him.

4. Yushin Okami --- Lost by DQ.

5. Nathan Marquardt --- Beat by TKO in 2007.



They do rate Henderson 7th but that's the only fighter of the 6-10 slots Anderson has fought.

Also Silva wants to retire. He is just not a serious fighter who loves the game.

He's a great athlete and the best kickboxer in the world but he needs to step up and fight. His accuracy on punched and kicks is uncanny. He has strong legs like any good fighter and he is a handful to be sure. But this over the top worship of him is based on nothing more than him winning a few fights against tough but unathletic opponents who he pounded.

Dana wants him to move to 205 because that is what will sell ppv buys.

I'm not jumping in on your guys' argument, but lol at mmaweekly ranking Lindland in the top 5. That's horrendous. He hasn't beat anyone of note in 3+ years. He shouldn't even be top 10.

 

[jterrell]

I'm not jumping in on your guys' argument, but lol at mmaweekly ranking Lindland in the top 5. That's horrendous. He hasn't beat anyone of note in 3+ years. He shouldn't even be top 10.

I kind of thought that at first glance too... then I looked at who he has fought.

The dude fought Rampage and Fedor for cripessake.

So a 180 pound guy fighting them is ... well impressive and maybe dumb.

I saw Vitor cold cock him into near death but again Vitor is 205.
Unlike Silva, Lindland has really fought the best the world has to offer.

He's dominated the guys whom both he and Silva have fought.

So it is a tough call.

Heck I have seen Robbie Lawler fight at least 5 times and that guy is no where near being a GSP or BJ Penn level fighter. All these 185 pounders are pretty weak imho outside of Silva.

I would fight myself at 185 and feel cocky for a sec til I realize even these bums would destroy me

 

[MrMom]

I kind of thought that at first glance too... then I looked at who he has fought.

The dude fought Rampage and Fedor for cripessake.

So a 180 pound guy fighting them is ... well impressive and maybe dumb.

I saw Vitor cold cock him into near death but again Vitor is 205.
Unlike Silva, Lindland has really fought the best the world has to offer.

He's dominated the guys whom both he and Silva have fought.

So it is a tough call.

I would fight myself at 185 and feel cocky for a sec til I realize even these bums would destroy me

But that was at 185. At weigh in Lindland actually had two pounds on Vitor. 186 to 184.

I mean, I give him credit for having the cajones to actually get in the ring with Rampage and Fedor, he's got that wandering eye like BJ. Both guys need to focus on their own weight class before thinking of moving up anymore. But just as guys get dropped because of inactivity, he should be dropped due to quality wins.

Heck I have seen Robbie Lawler fight at least 5 times and that guy is no where near being a GSP or BJ Penn level fighter. All these 185 pounders are pretty weak imho outside of Silva.

I agree with this. Which is why I have no qualms with your stance on Silva.

 

[Rampage]

nobody wants to fight the spider cause as Joe Rogan said "Anderson is a really scary dude". he scares me that's for sure.

 

[QT]

nobody wants to fight the spider cause as Joe Rogan said "Anderson is a really scary dude". he scares me that's for sure.

Chonan by flying scissor heal lock!!!

 

[Rampage]

Chonan by flying scissor heal lock!!!

I'd love to see the rematch.

 

[jterrell]

nobody wants to fight the spider cause as Joe Rogan said "Anderson is a really scary dude". he scares me that's for sure.

I think Rogan is the main reason Silva is so overrated. Rogan is this over the top passionate guy who truly loves the sport. People buy into what he says a bit too much though imho. In a lot of ways he is Dana White's mouthpiece.

I would be scared whitless to fight Silva to be sure but I don't think he is as close to unbeatable as Fedor.

And just to be clear by calling Silva overrated I mean quite simply he isn't a pound for pound top 3 guy. He is definitely the best in his weight class. But it happens to be the softest weight class currently imho.

 

[BigWillie]

I think Rogan is the main reason Silva is so overrated. Rogan is this over the top passionate guy who truly loves the sport. People buy into what he says a bit too much though imho. In a lot of ways he is Dana White's mouthpiece.

I would be scared whitless to fight Silva to be sure but I don't think he is as close to unbeatable as Fedor.

And just to be clear by calling Silva overrated I mean quite simply he isn't a pound for pound top 3 guy. He is definitely the best in his weight class. But it happens to be the softest weight class currently imho.

Yep, yep, yep.

It's almost comical to watch how much people respect Anderson. No one is willing to close the distance to take a shot or two to get that takedown which is rather easy to get against him.

Look at Travis freakin' Lutter getting 3 takedowns in barely over a round against him. Heck, Lutter took the 1st round based off of takedowns in that fight. Even Lutter was able to pass his guard and get mount on Silva before he attempted one of the worst and slowest armbar attempts in recent memory.

A good wrestler with legit BJJ credentials could possibly give Anderson problems. A guy like Okami or GSP could bring a very interesting stylistic matchup to Anderson and what has been a few of his weaknesses.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Wanna take back your comments about Penn-GSP now??

lol.

Find me a current ranking that has either Henderson or Rich Franklin in the top for Middleweight???

How has Anderson fared versus the top 5 at his weight class which is a soft one.

mmaweekly.

MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION (185-pound limit)

#1 Middleweight Fighter in the World: Anderson Silva

2. Robbie Lawler --- haven't fought him.

3. Matt Lindland --- haven't fought him.

4. Yushin Okami --- Lost by DQ.

5. Nathan Marquardt --- Beat by TKO in 2007.



They do rate Henderson 7th but that's the only fighter of the 6-10 slots Anderson has fought.

Also Silva wants to retire. He is just not a serious fighter who loves the game.

He's a great athlete and the best kickboxer in the world but he needs to step up and fight. His accuracy on punched and kicks is uncanny. He has strong legs like any good fighter and he is a handful to be sure. But this over the top worship of him is based on nothing more than him winning a few fights against tough but unathletic opponents who he pounded.

Dana wants him to move to 205 because that is what will sell ppv buys.

I was surprised, though I figured GSP would win as I said, that Penn got owned that badly. GSP simply put a finishing stamp on any talk that Penn was in his league, cause clearly he isn't.


I don't read MMAweekly, or rankings from other people's opinions, cause they're just that, opinions.

Like someone said the fact that Matt is #3 is a joke. Sure you can say he's 'fought the best' but unless he actually BEATS some of the best in the last 3 years that #3 ranking is BS.

I'd take a Franklin or Henderson fight over anything Matt has had to offer, in a while, any day of the week.

I noticed someone mentioned, in defense of Matt, that he fought Rampage. Well so had Dan Henderson. He's fought him in PRIDE and he took him to a 5 round decision in Rampages first title defense in UFC.

Yushin won a fight over Anderson by that DQ, as I remember, cause Anderson landed some sort of kick, or strikes, that for whatever reason he wasn't aware were illegal in the company they were fighting in. I don't believe, for one second, that Yushin would last 2 rounds with Anderson now.

Also it's HILARIOUS that Yushin is ranked #4 in Middleweight and Franklin isn't yet Franklin has soundly defeated Yushin in a decision match up.

Again the rankings are opinions and quite honestly worthless for the most part, in my opinion.

And as I understand it Anderson asked to fight at 205 as well as 185 so that he can fight more often and attempt to be the first guy in UFC to hold a title in two weight classes, at once, before retiring.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Silva is impressive but he hasn't beaten anyone and the Spider isn't getting tested anytime soon. His best win is over Dan Henderson and at 185-205 weight class there is no excuse for not facing better competition. In PRIDE where a lot of the top fighters came from he was hardly unbeaten. He went 3-2 but lost his last 2 fights there.

What I think will happen is GSP easily handles Penn and then GSP moves up to 185 to fight Silva as the most compelling test for both guys. GSP has learned how to fight and Silva would get challenged by someone as strong as him.

Anyways MMA is great and the only sport I really can be addicted to outside football.

Doesn't Silva walk around around pretty heavy and have to cut a lot of weight to get into the middleweight competition for his fights? He's 6'2" and has a muscular frame. Seems like Silva could easily put on some weight and fight in the light heavyweight division and take on the big names there like Rampage and Forrest, but he seems to prefer to just dominate a weak middleweight division uncontested or expect or expect a welterweight (GSP) to move up a class to fight him. He has to have the height/reach/weight advantage in all of his fights ... that's why I don't like giving him the best P4P title.

That would go to Fedor who is actually undersized for a heavyweight and goes into every fight at a distinct height/reach/weight disadvantage. Most of his opponents should be in another weight class altogether. He just dominates them anyway. Not only that, he usually ends up taking his opponent's best shot and shaking it off. He took the bodyslam from Randleman, who might have been the best wrestler in MMA at the time and defeated him. He was coming off a hand injury against CroCrop and couldn't get enough strength in his grip to take him down and go for submissions so he had to stand there and kickbox with the best kickboxer in MMA and won.