Felix Jones = Clinton Portis?

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Bob Sacamano;2081064 said:
:laugh2: no he's not, the only move he has in his arsenal is a cut and a spin
I wouldn't call him a scatback either. It's just that if either is going to be given that label, I'd give it to Portis first. He's much shiftier and runs with less power.
 

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theogt;2081067 said:
I wouldn't call him a scatback either. It's just that if either is going to be given that label, I'd give it to Portis first. He's much shiftier and runs with less power.

it's you are, or you aren't, there's no default shifty

Portis is a cut and go up the field runner

I don't know why you think Portis runs w/ less power than Felix Jones, that's what's he's been doing his whole tenure in Washington, going up the gut and seeking contact, and that's why he's been somewhat injury-afflicted in the same span
 

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Bob Sacamano;2081072 said:
it's you are, or you aren't, there's no default shifty

Portis is a cut and go up the field runner

I don't know why you think Portis runs w/ less power than Felix Jones, that's what's he's been doing his whole tenure in Washington, going up the gut, and that's why he's been somewhat injury-afflicted in the same span
Hey, it's not the 1st time we've disagreed on what we see on the field.
 

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I really need to watch more Arkansas tape or something cause I have yet to see this "wide array of moves" Felix has. I wish there was an easy way to see old college games in their entirety and for as much as people rave about Felix's receiving skills in school, he sure wasn't very productive as a receiver.
 

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TheCount;2081076 said:
I really need to watch more Arkansas tape or something cause I have yet to see this "wide array of moves" Felix has. I wish there was an easy way to see old college games in their entirety and for as much as people rave about Felix's receiving skills in school, he sure wasn't very productive as a receiver.

that's because throwing to your backs is a foreign concept at Arkansas, or was
 

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Bob Sacamano;2081082 said:
that's because throwing to your backs is a foreign concept at Arkansas, or was
Their top 3 receivers were Peyton Hillis, Felix Jones, and Darren McFadden.
 

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Bob Sacamano;2081082 said:
that's because throwing to your backs is a foreign concept at Arkansas, or was

Oh I don't doubt that, even McFadden didn't see a lot of receptions at 6'2" with 4.3 speed and a guy like Felix backing him up.

I just don't get how people can rave about his receiving skills if he didn't do it a lot in college. I mean where would he have gotten the experience receiving and running routes if he didn't do it are a collegiate?

theogt;2081085 said:
Their top 3 receivers were Peyton Hillis, Felix Jones, and Darren McFadden.

Probably has more to do with the fact they simply had crap at QB.
 

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Perhaps alot more like Portis than one would think...................

http://i102.***BLOCKED***/albums/m109/dadymat/DMAC--FELIX-HALLOWEEN-03.jpg

http://i102.***BLOCKED***/albums/m109/dadymat/portis2.jpg
 

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theogt;2081085 said:
Their top 3 receivers were Peyton Hillis, Felix Jones, and Darren McFadden.
maybe so, but it's been well-documented that Felix Jones didn't get many opportunities to catch passes because of the Wildcat offense


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Oh I don't doubt that, even McFadden didn't see a lot of receptions at 6'2" with 4.3 speed and a guy like Felix backing him up.

I just don't get how people can rave about his receiving skills if he didn't do it a lot in college. I mean where would he have gotten the experience receiving and running routes if he didn't do it are a collegiate?

Felix has work to do running routes, that was evident at the rookie mini-camp, but the way he catches passes on tapes looked very good, and he showed that at the mini-camp too
 

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Bob Sacamano;2081093 said:
maybe so, but it's been well-documented that Felix Jones didn't get many opportunities to catch passes because of the Wildcat offense




Felix has work to do running routes, that was evident at the rookie mini-camp, but the way he catches passes on tapes looked very good, and he showed that at the mini-camp too

Do you remember where you saw the camp clips? I never saw any video of the guys actually practicing.
 

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TheCount;2081094 said:
Do you remember where you saw the camp clips? I never saw any video of the guys actually practicing.

I don't, unfortunately, but I read that Felix and Choice looked very good catching passes
 

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Bob Sacamano;2081096 said:
I don't, unfortunately, but I read that Felix and Choice looked very good catching passes

Yeah I heard that too which is good, did you watch a lot of Ark? What do you think about all these moves people keep talking about? Everything on Youtube is him running 40 yards in open field, very frustrating.
 

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I think Jerry Jones wanted to get a running back with similar skills, and do similar things, as Portis in Washington, Westbrook in Philadelphia, and what Tiki Barber did for the Giants. Couple that with the rest of Dallas' offense, and this could be fun to watch.
 

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Bob Sacamano;2081059 said:
I wasn't arguing that he was shifty, just not the stiff theogt incorrectly labled him

I shouldn't have spoken for you. And I think we may all be thinking differently about what shifty is. I don't see Felix as a junior Barry Sanders. I call scatbacks smallish, fast, and agile players who are better outside than inside. I suspect we agree about him there.

theogt;2081063 said:
That's completely opposite of how I see it. I don't see Jones as a scatback at all. Jerry and Wade seem to agree with me on that point. Both emphatically have said that he's not a scatback at all. Portis is a much better fit for that definition.

It's not that I don't think he'll be a good player. I just don't think he's shifty at all. I think it's possible his extreme speed and his moderate power can make up for that. But it's too much of a risk for me to have wanted to draft him, particularly in the 1st round.

Again I don't see scatbacks as all being whirling durbishes. I think Portis does more spinning. I haven't seen Felix do that much. I think he has quicker feet and is a better brokenfield runner with cutting. And I think both have lateral ability. And I think we will be surprised by his ability to run inside as well. I just think he's better outside ala Blanchard and Davis. I also think he is definitely first round material. I did think Mendenhall would have been a better all around back. But I could be wrong about that.

We'll see pretty soon just how good he is.
 

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This is a great example of two guys being the same height and weight, but completely different body structure.

Portis has huge thighs. He can power thru tackles and he also has the wiggle sometimes to get around a LB.

I think Felix is more of an outside guy who can just 'quick' his way away from defenders.

If Felix can put up the numbers that Portis put up I would be extremely happy, but he won't be asked to play the same role as Portis had early in his NFL career.
 

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TheCount;2081107 said:
Yeah I heard that too which is good, did you watch a lot of Ark? What do you think about all these moves people keep talking about? Everything on Youtube is him running 40 yards in open field, very frustrating.

Having seen quite a bit of him at Arkansas, I'd say it's accurate to call him shifty.

In fact, I thought that was one of the main things he had over McFadden. McFadden was one cut and go, while Jones was always a moving target, setting up his blocks and cutting off them. He does a good job with the shoulder dip and selling his cuts with his body language. He has quick feet and good balance to bounce in and out of cuts, stringing several together.

If a hole is there, he knows how to hit it and go, which is what you see on the highlight films, but when it is not there, he can weave and bob to find yards.
 

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gimmesix;2081129 said:
Having seen quite a bit of him at Arkansas, I'd say it's accurate to call him shifty.

In fact, I thought that was one of the main things he had over McFadden. McFadden was one cut and go, while Jones was always a moving target, setting up his blocks and cutting off them. He does a good job with the shoulder dip and selling his cuts with his body language. He has quick feet and good balance to bounce in and out of cuts, stringing several together.

If a hole is there, he knows how to hit it and go, which is what you see on the highlight films, but when it is not there, he can weave and bob to find yards.
He's definitely more shifty than McFadden. But really that's not saying a whole lot, because McFadden has almost no wiggle whatsoever.
 

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Big Dakota;2081031 said:
People bash Portis because he's a skin, me included, but if Felix turns out to be as good as Clinton i'd be very happy!

Agreed. He's a heck of a back...even if he is a skin :bang2:
 
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