Ferguson and Schultz

[Mcsports]

Mark Andrews led all TEs with 107 catches for 1,361 yards.
Andrews 4.2 yards after catch.
Schultz averaged 4.46 YAC.
Schultz 78 catches for 808.
Kelce 6.1 YAC.
Kittle 6.3 YAC.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

I'm curious what you think this management would do with the savings of cutting or not signing Schultz?

I see posts like this all the time, yet what have Jethro and Little Anus done to instill confidence in you they can use that money to get a player of quality?

People whine about the money, yet they never come up with anything to suggest this franchise can build a winner, even if they had 138 million in cap space.

So thrill us with your suggestion that changes the course of this teams history by jettisoning Schultz for the cap.

And leave off the accolades for a player who broke a tackle in a preseason game, as if he is the next HOF at the TE position for Dallas.

We need to save some money up to re-sign Parsons, Diggs, Dak, and Lamb. All of those guys contracts are coming up right behind one another. And all of those guys are more important than Shultz.

He who does not look towards the future will be stuck in the past. And in the past we've had to release good players just to get under the cap. So save, save, save, so we can keep those guys then build around them.

 

[3rdEyewarrior]

You know, Lamb could be looking to re-sign with Dallas at the end of this year, right? So you post this like they should value Shultz over Lamb.

IMO, the TE position is one of those positions you don't pay big money too. Just like the RB position. But opinions vary.

Dalton is average honestly.

 

[TwoDeep3]

We need to save some money up to re-sign Parsons, Diggs, Dak, and Lamb. All of those guys contracts are coming up right behind one another. And all of those guys are more important than Shultz.

He who does not look towards the future will be stuck in the past. And in the past we've had to release good players just to get under the cap. So save, save, save, so we can keep those guys then build around them.

And then complain when the team fails to get o the NFC championship game and these players are over paid. This scenario has played out over and over on this board.

 

[RonWashington]

2023 NFL Draft (1st round): Cowboys select TE Michael Mayer

He has freakish ability to "break defender's ankles" as a route runner.
- His change of direction in route running is like the TE version of Amari Cooper.

No way no how do I want a TE round one 2023. Not with issues keeping 77 healthy and on the field . In a perfect world Tyler Smith and Zack Martin form an interior wall at G all season and Tyron Smith replacement is found late round one next April .

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

And then complain when the team fails to get o the NFC championship game and these players are over paid. This scenario has played out over and over on this board.

Over and over? Really when was this? Because we haven't had a top ten defense year in year out since Parcells left.

Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts had all of the offensive weapons a QB could want. Yet they only won one SB. You really think Dak is better than Manning? So you can load up on the offense and still struggle to win it all.

Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys.
Warren Moon and the Houston Oilers.
Boomer Esiason and the Cincinnati Bengals.
Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins.
Dante Culpepper and the Minnesota Vikings.
Philip Rivers and the San Diego chargers.

So you keep thinking like Jerry Jones...offense, offense, offense, and we'll keep struggling to get to the NFCCG.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Over and over? Really when was this? Because we haven't had a top ten defense year in year out since Parcells left.

Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts had all of the offensive weapons a QB could want. Yet they only won one SB. You really think Dak is better than Manning? So you can load up on the offense and still struggle to win it all.

Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys.
Warren Moon and the Houston Oilers.
Boomer Esiason and the Cincinnati Bengals.
Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins.
Dante Culpepper and the Minnesota Vikings.
Philip Rivers and the San Diego chargers.

So you keep thinking like Jerry Jones...offense, offense, offense, and we'll keep struggling to get to the NFCCG.

This is not about which side of the ball to pay. This is about paying players and how the fans cry about big paychecks with small results. You're the only one in this discussion who seems not to understand the central point.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Thx I didnt know that stat. I dont mind being corrected and checked.

respect

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Still a wait and see with me on Ferguson, but if he is the blocker they said he could be, he should be in a lot of 12 personnel two TE sets.
Even more over the more experienced McKeon. That's how much they also think of his receiving skills.

What I like to see from Ferguson, is what we cannot get from Schultz, the ability to present matchup nightmare problems.
and one that can consistently hit the deep middle seams.
A TE that your average starting LBs individually just cannot cover him ,
Instead of safeties having to double help the WRs, teams have to isolate their best coverage safety vs him safeties

i still see 4 TEs on 53 roster.
1 Schultz
2 Ferguson
3 McKeon
4 Pendershott

I think we go 3 TE, and pendershott will be a PS player this year. we are probably going to go deeper at DL....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

because he had far more targets and receptions than most outside of the top 5. volume stats are not exactly inspiring. it’s also only been one season of that kind of production

not really. and his catch rate isn't much different than others...so if he is getting volume, he is also making the plays.

again, Schultz isn't elite. never said that. but he is a good TE....if Ferguson ends up similar, then the 12-15M he is seeking probably can be better spent somewhere else.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We need to save some money up to re-sign Parsons, Diggs, Dak, and Lamb. All of those guys contracts are coming up right behind one another. And all of those guys are more important than Shultz.

He who does not look towards the future will be stuck in the past. And in the past we've had to release good players just to get under the cap. So save, save, save, so we can keep those guys then build around them.

exactly, so if we let Schultz go, that's where the money is going to be spent. if Schultz was elite, then a different story....

and on top of that Dak's contract is going to balloon and jones boys have a decision to make. either let him walk or have to renegotiate. this is a big year for Dak. he has to show he can take the next step, else, we might be done with him.

 

[Proof]

not really. and his catch rate isn't much different than others...so if he is getting volume, he is also making the plays.

again, Schultz isn't elite. never said that. but he is a good TE....if Ferguson ends up similar, then the 12-15M he is seeking probably can be better spent somewhere else.

his ypc and rac (avg) are not particularly impressive. so it’s just the raw total. broken tackles / missed tackles are also not impressive, just voluminous. and again, just one season

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

his ypc and rac (avg) are not particularly impressive. so it’s just the raw total. broken tackles / missed tackles are also not impressive, just voluminous. and again, just one season

well,. Andrews had 153 targets by far the most. his catch rate was 70%...schultz had 104, his catch rate was 75%. Kelce 68%. kittle 74%

total yards he was 5th. his Y/C was not that good IMHO. he was around 10.4 , with andrews aroudn 12.7, Kelce 12.2, Pitts a ridiculous 15.1 and Kittle around 12.1

he is not a deep reciever as he had only 8 20+ yard catches, compared to the elite ones who were in their 20s.

he was up there in TD catches, with 5 tied at 9 and schultz had 8.

his missed tackles/broken tackles are not too bad compared to the rest. he was 7th among TEs in yards after contact. 12th in broken tackles, but there were a few no names among that list like feriremouth or mercedes lewis.

so all in all, he is not elite. I went out of my way to say that, but he is probably among the top in second tier 1s.

its not easy to find elite players in any position.not sure I fully understand all the complaints. like I said, we can't have elite players in every position. they are hard to find unless you get lucky in top 15 or hit on one later in the rounds. plus, half the people on this site complain about Dak, if you are one of them, then you have to take into account he is playing with a lesser QB.

 

[Proof]

well,. Andrews had 153 targets by far the most. his catch rate was 70%...schultz had 104, his catch rate was 75%. Kelce 68%. kittle 74%

total yards he was 5th. his Y/C was not that good IMHO. he was around 10.4 , with andrews aroudn 12.7, Kelce 12.2, Pitts a ridiculous 15.1 and Kittle around 12.1

he is not a deep reciever as he had only 8 20+ yard catches, compared to the elite ones who were in their 20s.

he was up there in TD catches, with 5 tied at 9 and schultz had 8.

his missed tackles/broken tackles are not too bad compared to the rest. he was 7th among TEs in yards after contact. 12th in broken tackles, but there were a few no names among that list like feriremouth or mercedes lewis.

so all in all, he is not elite. I went out of my way to say that, but he is probably among the top in second tier 1s.

its not easy to find elite players in any position.not sure I fully understand all the complaints. like I said, we can't have elite players in every position. they are hard to find unless you get lucky in top 15 or hit on one later in the rounds. plus, half the people on this site complain about Dak, if you are one of them, then you have to take into account he is playing with a lesser QB.

my post that you replied to that spawned this was specifically about yac and broken / missed tackles. i just don’t think either of those (.in context) add anything to the discussion. he had a great year, i’d like to see it again before bejyeving he’s anything special. and no matter how anyone feels about dak he threw for 4500 yds and missed a game, they’re going to go somewhere

 

[DanA]

There are probably only four elite TEs at the moment because Shultz I reckon sits somewhere 5-8th.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

my post that you replied to that spawned this was specifically about yac and broken / missed tackles. i just don’t think either of those (.in context) add anything to the discussion. he had a great year, i’d like to see it again before bejyeving he’s anything special. and no matter how anyone feels about dak he threw for 4500 yds and missed a game, they’re going to go somewhere

And in regard to those imshowed you where he ranked compared to the rest.

Why I listed the other items, because a single stat is not an indicator of anything.

Again, I said it several times. I will repeat so that we are on same page. He is not elite. So he is not special by default. He is second tier and among better ones in that group.

And again, that's why I said, we can spend the money somewhere else and that Jones boys didn't right for once. Wait. Draft. See how he works out. Then let Schultz walk. We probablyight get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him.

 

[BAT]

2023 NFL Draft (1st round): Cowboys select TE Michael Mayer

He has freakish ability to "break defender's ankles" as a route runner.
- His change of direction in route running is like the TE version of Amari Cooper.

Rather trade up and take Jalen Carter.

Carter will dominate at 3 tech, FB and TE.

 

[TWOK11]

I'm still wanting two see 2 RB sets. The possibilties to create favorable matchups are there also.
The the all-aroujd TE play early could set the tone for the Cowboys O to be as productive in late 2022 as it was in early 2021.

The data is pretty clear that 2 RB sets in modern football aren’t advantageous. You’re much better off with an additional receiver on the field.

The reason is because more players on the defense can cover a back than a receiver. Even the best receiving backs like Kamara are, at best, akin to a third or fourth receiver on your roster in terms of open field matchup. A good coverage linebacker or safety can still have a shot against him. No linebacker in football can cover any receiver in football man to man. And because even the best run blocking backs are worse blockers than tight ends, there’s no real advantage to run from these sets either. Teams actually average fewer YPC out of two back sets.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

This is not about which side of the ball to pay. This is about paying players and how the fans cry about big paychecks with small results. You're the only one in this discussion who seems not to understand the central point.

@CowboysFaninHouston started this thread to inform us that we had two good TE's that could give defenses trouble. I've posted that Ferguson is Shultz replacement, because I wanted us to save the money for our more important stars. So I'm not crying about little results. Where the heck did you get that from. Talk about not understanding the central point. I never said Shultz was not producing. I never said they paid him too much. I basically said we need to keep that 10 million of his to get better in other areas or keep our current stars. My post and my desires are very easy to comprehend to most, but what is your desired handling of Shultz next year? You can't even communicate your intentions properly and that's why I have to ask a direct question.

If you think I'm crying about Shultz's production or his pay, you're wrong. So you put words in my mouth then tell me I don't understand what I'm talking about. How idiotic is that? I will delete my account if you can highlight in any of my post, in this thread, where I complained about his pay or his production. So yeah, I think it's you that's missing the central point, cause I just changed it. The new central point is... learn how to read exactly what someone wrote instead of injecting your words in their post.

 

[BAT]

Ferguson is consistent and reliable.

That's a good thing.