Final Escobar Numbers? 30 catches for 333 yards, 8 TD

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yep!
If Anthony Fasano and Martellus Bennett are anything to go by then I would expect Escobar to go on and have a decent career with another team.

Three 2nd round picks wasted on TEs we couldn't use and people wonder why we have holes to fill on the roster.

Yeah that Fasano pick from 10 years ago is serious business now. We have a hole at TE if Escobar leaves.

 

[IrishAnto]

Yeah that Fasano pick from 10 years ago is serious business now. We have a hole at TE if Escobar leaves.

Fasano still plays for the Titans, so why wouldn't he or the non TE pick they should have used not be playing for us now?

In addition the knock on effect was they drafted Bennett and then Escobar.

We could have had three players making a contribution to last Sundays game, so that's not serious?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fasano still plays for the Titans, so why wouldn't he or the non TE pick they should have used not be playing for us now?

In addition the knock on effect was they drafted Bennett and then Escobar.

We could have had three players making a contribution to last Sundays game, so that's not serious?

Ask Wade Phillips. Expecting draft picks to last 10 years is still unreasonable.

Presumably they wanted a bigger TE to play the Y. Fasano is more of an H.

Bennett played out his rookie contract and left. We replaced him that next draft.

The issue hasn't been drafting TE. The last few years have shown 3 talented ones are need for the offense. The issue has been missing on them such that they do not resign them and need a replacement. I am fine with a TE in the first 3 rounds this year if he can block and catch.

 

[Trouty]

Someone said he was strong. He's not.
I applaud Escobar's effort but I wouldn't use that video as an example of his strength.
Predictably, that person wanted to argue his point.

I fully understand the nature of a reach block. I used to do it very well in another life.

Well, golly, go figure...

And you can use my name, it won't bite ya

 

[Idgit]

Every 4 catches was a TD for this guy. That tells me Garrett was an idiot for kicking FGs so often when he could have just thrown it to Escobar four times in a set of downs and scored every time.

Seriously, though, I'm completely befuddled by Escobar and by how we used him. The guy is huge, with incredibly soft hands. I know there were blocking issues, but he's going to end up in a place like NE and just catch everything in his giant radius downfield. When Dunbar went down last year, I was sure Escobar was going to end up a Weeden favorite. Big, line of sight receiver tall enough to catch everything and with good hands. Since Weeden could only hit what was open when he could see it was open anyway, those two seemed like a match made in heaven. Instead, he disappeared and we replaced Weeden with a guy who liked to hit opposing CBs on the sidelines for the quick pick-6's.

God, what a nightmare that season was.

 

[Trouty]

You can claim whatever you like you still demonstrate no competency with the way you talk about the play in question. You demonstrate no understanding of the nature of leverage, core strength, and reach blocks for a 6'6" high cut man.

He had no leverage as the OLB got a good jump off the ball after lining up on Escobar's inside shoulder. He still held on to create a gap for Zeke to run through. That takes quite a bit of core strength to not get twisted/accordioned as well as upper body strength to hold on. If Escobar was not strong he would have been shed.

Further the OLB wasn't trying to drive Escobar back. He was trying to squeeze the gap, a lateral move in which he had the advantageous position, and failed.

Excellent post, Fuzzy!

 

[Idgit]

Ask Wade Phillips. Expecting draft picks to last 10 years is still unreasonable.

Presumably they wanted a bigger TE to play the Y. Fasano is more of an H.

Bennett played out his rookie contract and left. We replaced him that next draft.

The issue hasn't been drafting TE. The last few years have shown 3 talented ones are need for the offense. The issue has been missing on them such that they do not resign them and need a replacement. I am fine with a TE in the first 3 rounds this year if he can block and catch.

Though, with Swaim, Hanna, and the other guy, we ought to have 3 serviceable TEs. If Gathers improves enough to make the roster, that's 4. He basically replaces Escobar. We probably bring in another guy late, or a flyer like we took in CFA with the kid from Wisconsin I liked but whose name I can't remember right now as injury insurance for camp.

I think the team expects Gather to take a big step forward in camp this year, for the record. They seem really high on him.

 

[WeaponX]

I was thinking the same, Latin. Belichick will use the hell out of him in the 2 TE set. Whether it's with Gronk or Bennett.

Wouldn't that be something if NE uses Marty B and Escobar for 500-600 yards and 5 TDs a piece (contingent upon Gronk's health of course).

I agree that he was under utilized, but in my opinion, his consistency in the run game is probably what held him out. He did show improvement YOY, but I always thought his best and highest use would be inside the 20 like those little seams that he would run occasionally that TR would exploit for his annual TD (thinking the Giants game from 2014).

Big body, good hands, good fit for NE or even NO. Unfortunately, we just don't utilize our 2nd TE as much or in the ways to take advantage of his strengths. I actually think if Bennett had stayed he'd have a lot more success/usage than he did when he was here due to how we run our offense now.

 

[IrishAnto]

Ask Wade Phillips. Expecting draft picks to last 10 years is still unreasonable.

Presumably they wanted a bigger TE to play the Y. Fasano is more of an H.

Bennett played out his rookie contract and left. We replaced him that next draft.

The issue hasn't been drafting TE. The last few years have shown 3 talented ones are need for the offense. The issue has been missing on them such that they do not resign them and need a replacement. I am fine with a TE in the first 3 rounds this year if he can block and catch.

As I said Fasano is still playing as is Witten (14years).

So you don’t expect them t last 10+ years but if they do its gravy.

So no gravy for the Boys here.

Again it’s about identifying players that can play well for you.

Ideally all players especially those drafted in the top 3 rounds would get a second contract.

In this instance neither did (and from what I hear so far Escobar won’t either).

And what the last three years have shown you need somebody at TE who can catch well and be a decent blocker coupled with at least one who can block well and catch the occasional pass.

Swain and Hanna (when healthy) can fulfill the latter role and neither cost a 2nd round pick.

So when Witten hangs up his cleats then by all means spend a high pick on his replacement, but you don’t need all the TEs on your team to be high picks.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Though, with Swaim, Hanna, and the other guy, we ought to have 3 serviceable TEs. If Gathers improves enough to make the roster, that's 4. He basically replaces Escobar. We probably bring in another guy late, or a flyer like we took in CFA with the kid from Wisconsin I liked but whose name I can't remember right now as injury insurance for camp.

I think the team expects Gather to take a big step forward in camp this year, for the record. They seem really high on him.

Hanna has a knee injury that never got better. That means the swelling never went down. I don't count on him playing again.

Witten is year to year now and the chance that he will be playing by the time that a rookie's contract runs out are minimal. Neither Swaim, Hanna, nor Escobar are suitable replacements. I'm not saying it is a top need even on offense but if it's BPA we can still use one now and moving forward.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As I said Fasano is still playing as is Witten (14years).

So you don’t expect them t last 10+ years but if they do its gravy.

So no gravy for the Boys here.

Again it’s about identifying players that can play well for you.

Ideally all players especially those drafted in the top 3 rounds would get a second contract.

In this instance neither did (and from what I hear so far Escobar won’t either).

And what the last three years have shown you need somebody at TE who can catch well and be a decent blocker coupled with at least one who can block well and catch the occasional pass.

Swain and Hanna (when healthy) can fulfill the latter role and neither cost a 2nd round pick.

So when Witten hangs up his cleats then by all means spend a high pick on his replacement, but you don’t need all the TEs on your team to be high picks.

Sure but you are talking about opportunity cost ie what we could have done had we not drafted Fasano. It's unlikely his replacement would have lasted that long.

Witten is year to year now.

 

[IrishAnto]

Sure but you are talking about opportunity cost ie what we could have done had we not drafted Fasano. It's unlikely his replacement would have lasted that long.

Witten is year to year now.

Let’s say for argument instead of Fasano we picked a RT.

There’s a good chance he’s still playing.

Either way the failure with Fasano led to the selection of Bennett and Bennett’s failure led then to Escobar.

So that’s two players at least.

Yea now Witten is year to year but he’s wasn’t when any of the above were drafted and frankly if Gathers can become something, we won’t need to spend another high pick on a TE to replace Witten.

 

[noshame]

I love Jason but it's time for him to become a situational player as in short-yardage and we need a legitimate threat to take over the tight end duties if you want to sign Escobar to a modest contract and give him a shot I'm fine with it

 

[Alexander]

He's certainly strong here. Dude is legit. We didn't use him. It's that simple.

After Swaim went down, we didn't feel he was an adequate replacement. This might have been his shining moment, but it wasn't because he was just benched.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

Escobar was simply behind a future hall of famer on the roster here. Hard to make a name for yourself that way.

 

[unionjack8]

This offense just isn't creative enough to use him. It's that simple. Creating mismatches isn't a strong point

 

[RoboQB]

Well, golly, go figure...

And you can use my name, it won't bite ya

You two are like peas in a pod.
I didn't think it needed mention.
Plus, I didn't want to disturb you while you watch your Gavin Escobar
workout video.

 

[RoboQB]

Excellent post, Fuzzy!

You got your head shoved so far up fuzzy's butt, I'm surprised you can read at all.

 

[RoboQB]

Escobar isn't strong. If he could have consistently blocked, he would have had a whole lot more playing time. That was his limiting factor.

Finally, someone who sees it correctly.

 

[Sarge]

DON'T FORGET WE HAVE THE IGNORE FEATURE.