Final Escobar Numbers? 30 catches for 333 yards, 8 TD

[Stash]

Stupid?

Fasano has played 11 years. Bennett has played nine.

We picked quality players. Tons of second round picks taken those years are out of the league.

So sad to see board members with no perspective

Yeah, stupid. We drafted good players, used premium picks to do it, and never got the return on investment that we could have or should have.

So sad to see board members with no perspective.

 

[Stash]

He was fortunate to stay in the way on that play.
I wouldn't call that strong. He nearly got backed into the play.
But I give him an "A" for effort.

He's always been aloof... a surfer dude from So California area.
Has the skill to be a decent TE in wide sets. Not sure he wants it badly.

Coming off the Achilles as well as he did takes a lot of commitment and work so I give him respect for that. But he never developed into the blocker that the team had hoped he could, and the guy has never played with an ounce of confidence in his game. He still looks like a first game rookie every time he takes the field.

I'm not worried about Gavin Escobar becoming the all-around TE that Fasano and Bennett did.

 

[Stash]

If we let this dude go, and draft another TE like so many Zoners are saying they want, I will eat my shirt.

If we let him go, I pray it's because the front office is content with whom they have.

Oh yeah, I'm sure not saying they should draft another one. Witten, Swaim, Gathers, let's roll.

 

[Stash]

Leveon bell was taken one pick after Escobar :}

Never forget.

 

[Stash]

I hope he goes elsewhere and goes off to make our front office and coaches look stupid. Even UDFA Scott Chandler had a great career after leaving Dallas.

I think that's a good comparison. Scott Chandler is who he reminds me of. Nice receiving TE, not much of a blocker. Too bad we used a second round pick on a guy comparable to an undrafted free agent.

 

[RoboQB]

Coming off the Achilles as well as he did takes a lot of commitment and work so I give him respect for that. But he never developed into the blocker that the team had hoped he could, and the guy has never played with an ounce of confidence in his game. He still looks like a first game rookie every time he takes the field.

I'm not worried about Gavin Escobar becoming the all-around TE that Fasano and Bennett did.

I had forgotten the Achilles injury. Honestly, I wasn't trying to rag on the guy. Trout was gushing over him and
used a bad example. I tried to point it out but, of course, some people just love to hide behind a keyboard.

Thank you for your level headed response and contribution to the topic. It is becoming more rare each day.

 

[Stash]

I had forgotten the Achilles injury. Honestly, I wasn't trying to rag on the guy. Trout was gushing over him and
used a bad example. I tried to point it out but, of course, some people just love to hide behind a keyboard.

Don't get too worked up about as I often do myself. Trouty's a good guy. It's just a difference of opinion.

Thank you for your level headed response and contribution to the topic. It is becoming more rare each day.

It's something I'm working on! As I've said, I'm passionate too and sometimes let my emotions get the best of me. If nothing else, I agree to disagree and move on. But I'm still a work in progress.

 

[WeaponX]

Leveon bell was taken one pick after Escobar :}

Interestingly enough, we didn't actually miss out on much by not taking Bell. Great player, don't get me wrong, but Demarco Murray outperformed him in 2013 and they were equally impressive in 2014, then Bell was suspended and hurt last year and we all know what we got from Zeke this year. Seeing as defense has been our achilles heel, I'll rue us not taking Jamie Collins or Bennie Logan if we're going to go down that road.

 

[8FOR!3]

Honestly think James Hanna is better. Just not a fan of Escobar's game. Plenty comfortable with Geoff Swaim being the backup tight end, he seems like a good ball player.

 

[Stash]

Not really. You make it seem like it was every year they were doing that when in fact it was 4 years after Bennett that Escobar was drafted.

Garrett clearly likes the 21 and 31 sets. The issue with Escobar was his blocking was at best average and at worst just plain bad when we want guys that are plus blockers; he got strong but not by enough. The issue with Bennett was a defiance to authority, a lack of focus and a dislike to sharing with others. Fasano was 10 years and 2 coaching staffs ago.

We still need TEs. We need 3 of them that can black really for the offense. They are useful on ST and are active on gamedays.

And Escobar isn't and never was that guy. It's not entirely his fault, he is who he is and I think he gave his best effort. But it was a bad job of scouting and a misguided believe that they could turn a 2nd round pick into something he wasn't.

And the verdict is in, there's no more 'next seasons', or 'tomorrows' to wait for. The pick was a mistake and a failure and the player will soon be moving on. People just need to admit it. And that's far too often too hard to do around here.

 

[Stash]

Yep!
If Anthony Fasano and Martellus Bennett are anything to go by then I would expect Escobar to go on and have a decent career with another team.

Three 2nd round picks wasted on TEs we couldn't use and people wonder why we have holes to fill on the roster.

And meanwhile, they pass on a player like Le'veon Bell - arguably the best running back in the league - and end up with Joseph Randle. Let that sink in.

 

[Stash]

Interestingly enough, we didn't actually miss out on much by not taking Bell. Great player, don't get me wrong, but Demarco Murray outperformed him in 2013 and they were equally impressive in 2014, then Bell was suspended and hurt last year and we all know what we got from Zeke this year. Seeing as defense has been our achilles heel, I'll rue us not taking Jamie Collins or Bennie Logan if we're going to go down that road.

Sorry, but this claim is just flat out wrong.

 

[RoboQB]

Don't get too worked up about as I often do myself. Trouty's a good guy. It's just a difference of opinion./QUOTE]

I'll agree to disagree on that... lol

 

[Stash]

Honestly think James Hanna is better. Just not a fan of Escobar's game. Plenty comfortable with Geoff Swaim being the backup tight end, he seems like a good ball player.

I think Hanna might be done.

 

[IrishAnto]

And meanwhile, they pass on a player like Le'veon Bell - arguably the best running back in the league - and end up with Joseph Randle. Let that sink in.

Don't; I'm depressed enough already.

 

[Stash]

Yeah that Fasano pick from 10 years ago is serious business now. We have a hole at TE if Escobar leaves.

No we don't.

 

[WeaponX]

Sorry, but this claim is just flat out wrong.

Explain please? Bell missed most of last year with an ACL injury after his supsension. He was great in 2014, but we were also 12-4 and Murray was the OPOY, so where's the massive upgrade? In 2013 he was a rookie and Murray was a pro bowler. Again, he's absolutely a great player (top 3 back in the league for sure) but how are we a much different team with him vs. what we had with Murray then, and Zeke now?

 

[Stash]

Explain please? Bell missed most of last year with an ACL injury after his supsension. He was great in 2014, but we were also 12-4 and Murray was the OPOY, so where's the massive upgrade?

The "massive upgrade" would be the offensive line. What Murray was running behind vs what Bell had then. It's no longer debatable that this line makes everybody look great.

In 2013 he was a rookie and Murray was a pro bowler. Again, he's absolutely a great player (top 3 back in the league for sure) but how are we a much different team with him vs. what we had with Murray then, and Zeke now?

If we had Bell, we let Murray walk out the door without a second thought. If we had Bell, we're not signing McFadden or mistakenly wasting time with Joseph Randle. With Bell, we're not using a 1st round pick on Elliott.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[Chuck 54]

Dallas, and most teams, are never going to have two TEs as a staple of their offense.

So, we were blessed to have Witten be a true iron man for the team and for Romo, but suppose Witten had been lost for a season. Would a second round Fazano, Bennett, or Escobar be worth it then? Fazano went on to moderate success in the NFL after his stint in Dallas. Bennett is one of the best receiving/blocking combo TEs in the league. Escobar looks like a bust, but the future isn't yet written. Had Witten been lost, all would have stepped in for the team and as Romo's security blanket. None are what Witten has been, but then how many TEs are going to the Hall of Fame? Is a second rounder too much for a backup just because you were lucky and never had to use them? Is a second rounder too much for a QB, RB, TE, left tackle just because they end up backing up a vital part of your offense?

And let's not forget that these guys were either traded or left in free agency; did we then get something back too? Take Demarcus Lawrence as another second round example, a big one as he was taken at pick #34 after we traded up, giving away picks 47 and 78 to do so. Was that a poor decision just because DLaw isn't a wrecking machine? The Skins used 47 and 78 on Trent Murphy and Spencer Long; are those guys together better than Lawrence? And did you really expect to find another Ware in round two? If you think our first rounder this spring, #28, is going to provide the answer to our pass rush with a star DE, you are delusional.

A second round pick should contribute, but is backing up a key position that you count on, one you can't just throw numbers at, even if you never suffer that key injury, isn't that contributing?

 

[IrishAnto]

Explain please? Bell missed most of last year with an ACL injury after his supsension. He was great in 2014, but we were also 12-4 and Murray was the OPOY, so where's the massive upgrade? In 2013 he was a rookie and Murray was a pro bowler. Again, he's absolutely a great player (top 3 back in the league for sure) but how are we a much different team with him vs. what we had with Murray then, and Zeke now?

Not picking a fight here just IMO, but had we picked Bell we could have spent last years pick on Jaylon Ramsey (just as an example not saying we should have).

Despite what some here will claim, draft picks have a knock on effect which can last many years.