Finding a Franchise QB

[Stash]

You can absolutely bring up Goff's numbers, but it doesn't change the fact that drafting a QB right now with this pick is highly costly and that puts the risk through the roof.

No it doesn't. Quite the opposite. The higher you draft the quarterback, the better your odds for success. Proven fact that you keep trying to ignore.

There is no real thing as a can't miss player, we've seen that with Claiborne, but you can mitigate risk in your decision making.

Or you can increase that risk by trying to get cute and 'getting one later'.

Elliott is a player that perfectly fits our scheme, we have one of the best run blocking offensive lines in football. We have the offensive weapons to take the pressure off of him. It's a no brainer.

The 'no brain' part is using the selection on the most easily acquired position in the league rather than the most valuable one.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It's much easier to find top-4 talent per position at any other position than it is at the QB position. That's just the reality of the NFL.

Sam Bradford B-L-O-W-S. He has a .407 winning percentage in this league and is now getting $18 million per year. Why? Because the Eagles know that the alternative out there is much worse.

Getting that legit franchise QB is likely to come in the first round. But, by the same token it's very dependent on coaching and the organization.

I think this is the rare chance to get that talent because I doubt we will finish as poorly as 4-12 anytime, soon. And if you're drafting outside the top-12 picks in the draft, picking up that legit franchise QB is much less likely.

I want Lynch because I think he has the greatest upside. We're not playing him right away (or have any intention to do so), so potential means more right now. I also like his release motion (I don't like Wentz's) and his throwing issues are more footwork which I think is easier for a QB to fix.





YR

 

[Dodger12]

Those teams all built defenses and relied on their defenses not their QBs.

Sure they did but what did they do first? Aikman was the first pick in Johnson's first year. New coaches, who are brought in to rebuild teams, start with a QB.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And being able to trade that 'extra quarterback' we had for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick sure was nice too, wasn't it?

I was in Gettysburg, PA when that trade was announced.

That was a different era... pre-free agency.

Draft picks weren't held in the high-regard they are today.

And on top of that 1st round picks didn't have the contract commitments they do even today (even after the rookie-contract "readjustment" that occurred with the last CBA).

 

[Nightman]

For everyone bemoaning about taking a QB and busting and setting the team back for 3 to 5 years please explain to me how the Cowboys recovered so fast and won 3 Superbowls after taking Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft with the first overall pick of the draft in 89? Oh and they had just spent a first overall pick on Troy.

It was a big mistake, cost us Junior Seau or Cortez Kennedy, but at leas they realized it and moved on and got some picks back for him.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It's much easier to find top-4 talent per position at any other position than it is at the QB position. That's just the reality of the NFL.

Sam Bradford B-L-O-W-S. He has a .407 winning percentage in this league and is now getting $18 million per year. Why? Because the Eagles know that the alternative out there is much worse.

YR

But are they operating out of legitimate or irrational fear?

Look at what Buffalo was able to do with Tyrod Taylor, who was a 6th round pick and a cheap contract.

 

[Stash]

I was in Gettysburg, PA when that trade was announced.

That was a different era... pre-free agency.

Draft picks weren't held in the high-regard they are today.

I'm not sure you can say that when the Commanders are giving up three first rounders for RG3.

And on top of that 1st round picks didn't have the contract commitments they do even today (even after the rookie-contract "readjustment" that occurred with the last CBA).

The rookie contract readjustment also means that even if you 'miss' on the quarterback, you're not as financially sunk as you were like the Rams and Bradford.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm not sure you can say that when the Commanders are giving up three first rounders for RG3.

A couple ways of looking at that...

That was a high cost... And obviously I doubt the Skins would do it again. And it was draft-day deal involving picks. A different scenario than with Walsh.

Now if you're suggesting the Cowboys trade their #4 for more picks– I can firmly get behind that.

 

[Stash]

But are they operating out of legitimate or irrational fear?

Look at what Buffalo was able to do with Tyrod Taylor, who was a 6th round pick and a cheap contract.

8-8

 

[Stash]

A couple ways of looking at that...

That was a high cost... And obviously I doubt the Skins would do it again. And it was draft-day deal involving picks. A different scenario than with Walsh.

I'm sure they wouldn't, and neither would the Saints for that matter, but it's not relevant and doesn't change history. Any way you look at it, it doesn't support your 'higher regard' argument.

Now if you're suggesting the Cowboys trade their #4 for more picks– I can firmly get behind that.

No thank you. I'm not eager to go back to the Tony Banks/Ryan Leaf days.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

8-8

Yep.

It goes to show much a defense means to a team when the QB has a 99.4 passer rating.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm sure they wouldn't, and neither would the Saints for that matter, but it's not relevant and doesn't change history. Any way you look at it, it doesn't support your 'higher regard' argument.

Not sure I understand, but whatever.

 

[Stash]

Yep.

It goes to show much a defense means to a team when the QB has a 99.4 passer rating.

Yeah, and after all the millions of dollars and high draft picks they poured into that defense...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah, and after all the millions of dollars and high draft picks they poured into that defense...

Oh I agree.

They spent 1/4 of a billion dollars on that defensive line.

It was incredibly disappointing for their fans.

 

[JBell]

Ezekiel Elliott is the safest pick in this draft. A nearly guaranteed pro bowl player at a position we could spotlight with our offensive line. We have a franchise WR and QB. Together, they would lead to one of the best offenses in the league. This would buy us time to build the defense and it would also make the defense better.

A rookie QB does none of that for you.

You want to use an asset like the #4 pick to draft the most replaceable position in the league?

Your armchair GM skills are terrible, but at least your threads create discussion.

 

[Galian Beast]

You want to use an asset like the #4 pick to draft the most replaceable position in the league?

Your armchair GM skills are terrible, but at least your threads create discussion.

RBs aren't nearly as replaceable as you would like to suggest. There is a cream of the crop, and it separates teams who are able to run consistently from those who can't. And that isn't just game to game or year to year, that is over the course of a multitude of years.

 

[Galian Beast]

Sure they did but what did they do first? Aikman was the first pick in Johnson's first year. New coaches, who are brought in to rebuild teams, start with a QB.

I was referring to the Ravens and Steelers.

 

[Galian Beast]

No, it's evident that it is you who doesn't know what you're talking about. 9 pages of watching you get clubbed over the head with facts makes that apparent.

And what's your "other option"? Dig the hole further!

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I get it.

As I said in the OP. There are many ways to find a QB. I will say that find a quality quarterback is easiest in the first round of the draft, it also bares the greatest risk. And there are times when that risk doesn't make sense, and it's clear as day that you can't recognize when that is.

 

[Stash]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I get it.

Don't you dare accuse anyone else of that when it is you who either ignores or fails to understands the facts that directly refute the weak case you're faking to make. Pot meet kettle.

As I said in the OP. There are many ways to find a QB.

And as the facts clearly show, the bust percentages are significantly higher after the first round.

I will say that find a quality quarterback is easiest in the first round of the draft, it also bares the greatest risk. And there are times when that risk doesn't make sense, and it's clear as day that you can't recognize when that is.

If the chance for success is highest, the risk is lower, not higher. But you'll somehow try to spin this fact? Yeah, clear as mud...

 

[Stash]

RBs aren't nearly as replaceable as you would like to suggest. There is a cream of the crop, and it separates teams who are able to run consistently from those who can't. And that isn't just game to game or year to year, that is over the course of a multitude of years.

What an absolute load...