Finish sending the message, some players have to be cut today!

[SDogo]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I don't see Proctor being cut, as he is the only backup center at the moment.

Unless we pick up some veteran center (because there are loads of them available, right? ) Proctor will still have his butt sealed to the bench after the cut to 53.

Duke Robinson

 

[Faerluna]

Duke Robinson

Duke Preston?

 

[SDogo]

Duke Preston?

Duke Blue Devils........


Hush, I'm getting old and I drank like a fish for the first time in about a year last night!

 

[RS12]

I use to think this as well but he's slowly changing my mind. I really like how he ran TC this year. It was tough and you can tell the team is all about football and winning. All the headaches are gone and the team seems to be a lot closer now. I like what WP has done so far this year..

Nope, he is what he is.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

You can add Pat Watkins to that list.

Courtney Brown
Proctor
Stanback
Watkins

Proctor's only saving grace is there is no other backup center yet. If Duke Preston shows something, Proctor is gone.

 

[newlander]

Stanback, Proctor, Brown and Watkins IN THAT ORDER; PLEASE BRING YOUR PLAYBOOKS: NOW.





DANG NINJA: YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cowboyjoe]

i wont be hurt but i think a statement needs to be made and sent to the team, that wade as the head coach wont put up with bone headed plays like stanback, proctor and brown made

 

[cowboyjoe]

Nope, he is what he is.

all except for penalties, we are leading the league in penalties.
eventually they will become a habit if you dont stop them

 

[28 Joker]

What about the right side of the offensive line false starting again, just like last week. It killed a sure TD, imo. Then, Proctor showed up to kill the FG.

That is the stuff that cost you playoff spots and division titles.

Colombo false started last week and killed a long drive.

Flozell gets all the attention, but remember, it was Colombo's false start that really hurt a Cowboys drive, late in the game, in the 2007 Divisional playoff game.

Bill Parcells might have sat "Free Reign"'s butts on the pine for a while. He would have at least yelled at someone.

Man, I wish Philllips would sit those guys' butts down when they false start at home when the team is rolling.

There is no excuse for it.

 

[AbeBeta]

You send a message by cutting guys who aren't giving it enough effort. This makes it clear that the staff will not tolerate guys dogging it.

You don't send a message by cutting guys who made mistakes or poor plays. All this tells players is that the coaches are jerks. Those guys are going to get cut in the final cutdown anyway.

 

[LeonDixson]

If you dont tackle in practice, how can you get your players ready. To top that off, we all know how roy williams almost got hurt because in a goal line drill, no pads were on.

Wade had better wake up. Send that message and take note yourself wade, you cant get these players ready for the season, if you dont allow them to tackle.

There was something written on here just a few days ago that said Singletary didn't have the Whiners tackling in practice either. I agree with your other points that Brown, Proctor and Stanback should be cut, but I'd have no problem with using them as the fodder in the Minny preseason game. On the other hand, if they were cut today it wouldn't hurt my feelings either.

 

[Jon88]

I hope we cut Stanback ASAP and I wish we could cut Proctor.

 

[cowboyjoe]

You send a message by cutting guys who aren't giving it enough effort. This makes it clear that the staff will not tolerate guys dogging it.

You don't send a message by cutting guys who made mistakes or poor plays. All this tells players is that the coaches are jerks. Those guys are going to get cut in the final cutdown anyway.

well i question whether or not courtney brown and stanback are giving their all

stanback in an interview a few days ago, said he wasnt worried if he wasnt with this team after cuts were made

that right there is wrong attitude, like bill bates said, you have to have a fear that your going to get cut, so you play your heart out and play hard all the time

all you had to do was look at browns eyes, he looks lost and out of touch
now i can understand a rookie or a first year player, but a guy like courtney brown has been with this team 3 years now, 3 years;

it goes back to what parcells said, you are what you are;

as far as proctor, remember in the first game, oakland, he had a fumbled snap
again in this game,
then on the holding call, the announcer said it was proctor that was called for holding, not davis, but wade said, a ref told him davis, but he would look at film. However, you cant deny the fumbled snap between proctor and kitna

so are you saying, the first string players played hard, but because of these dumb mistakes that brown, stanback and proctor made, oh, they realize now when you play badly you will lose the game, thats what wade says

but you arent sending a message to the team that wont happen
i believe in like what jimmy johnson did, when players made dumb mistakes most of the time they were cut, released or traded

you have to send a message to the team that you arent going to put up with the bs that some players are making, that only when you dont reprimand them or hold them accountable, it gives them the ok and other players to keep making stupid dumb penalities

 

[AbeBeta]

well i question whether or not courtney brown and stanback are giving their all

stanback in an interview a few days ago, said he wasnt worried if he wasnt with this team after cuts were made

that right there is wrong attitude, like bill bates said, you have to have a fear that your going to get cut, so you play your heart out and play hard all the time

all you had to do was look at browns eyes, he looks lost and out of touch
now i can understand a rookie or a first year player, but a guy like courtney brown has been with this team 3 years now, 3 years;

it goes back to what parcells said, you are what you are;

as far as proctor, remember in the first game, oakland, he had a fumbled snap
again in this game,
then on the holding call, the announcer said it was proctor that was called for holding, not davis, but wade said, a ref told him davis, but he would look at film. However, you cant deny the fumbled snap between proctor and kitna

so are you saying, the first string players played hard, but because of these dumb mistakes that brown, stanback and proctor made, oh, they realize now when you play badly you will lose the game, thats what wade says

but you arent sending a message to the team that wont happen
i believe in like what jimmy johnson did, when players made dumb mistakes most of the time they were cut, released or traded

you have to send a message to the team that you arent going to put up with the bs that some players are making, that only when you dont reprimand them or hold them accountable, it gives them the ok and other players to keep making stupid dumb penalities

Bad plays happen. A player can be giving 100% and still make a bad play. That happens and it doesn't send any message other than "don't screw up" to players. It is preseason. You make dumb mistakes and LEARN from them.

Lack of effort is what you have to focus on.

As far as Stanback's comments all he is saying is that he can't worry about roster spots. Any player in this league who spends his time thinking "gee, Player X is beating me out" has the wrong focus. You do the best you can and let the cards fall. Your agenda is showing if you interpret his comments otherwise.

I really doubt that any of the three guys you mentioned make this team. But there is simply no legitimate reason to cut players for mistakes at this point. You let them play the final PS game and see if they can turn it around.

Jimmy cut scrubs when they made dumb mistakes. So what? This ain't Jimmy's team.

 

[cowboyjoe]

jacquee taylor said it best right here;

JJT's usual ignorance

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Cowboys turn in ragged performance
8:58 PM Sat, Aug 29, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Jean-Jacques Taylor/Columnist E-mail News tips
The Cowboys turned in a ragged performance Saturday night, which should not be confused with raggedy.

Here's the difference: Ragged teams commit penalties, make mental mistakes and turn the ball over, but still do just enough good things to keep the game close - even if they eventually lose like the Cowboys did.

The problem is their performance leaves you wanting more whatever the outcome.
If you need an example of a raggedy performance, think about the debacle in Philly to end last season.

Got it?

The third preseason game is supposed to be the dress rehearsal, the game where the starters play three quarters and the team tries to put on its best performance because the first-string players won't play much in the fourth preseason game next week against Minnesota.

Yes, the starters led 10-3 at halftime. Yes, Felix Jones turned in his usual jaw-dropping moment, nearly bolting more than 90 yards for a touchdown. Yes, the Cowboys had one terrific scoring drive of 94 yards on 14 plays, which has become their norm in the preseason.

But their uneven overall performance should leave Wade Phillips feeling uncomfortable heading into the regular season. This team is still making the same types of mistakes that have ruined its season the past few years.

The penalties must drive Phillips crazy.

He's attempted to address the issue in the off-season by discussing them with the team and sitting offending players for a play during training camp. Obviously, that's unrealistic in the regular season.

All he can do is hope his players exercise more discipline. Thus far, it hasn't happened. I agree with that statement and not agree, way you fix that, you cut or trade players that keep making stupid mistakes and you finish sending that message your not going to put up with it;

A holding penalty on Leonard Davis in the first quarter negated an apparent 49-yard field by Nick Folk that would've given the Cowboys a 3-0 lead on their first series of the game. (Except it was on Proctor, who wont be here any more)

Instead, the Cowboys punted.

In the second quarter, on third-and-goal from the San Francisco 4, Marc Colombo committed a false start to make it third-and-goal from the nine. That's a huge mistake because it takes away any threat of the run, while making it a much more difficult conversion.
Now someone like columbo tries, so way to correct that, you work him extra hard in practice,


You shouldn't be surprised the drive ended with a field goal. Again, that's the type of mistake that can be costly in the regular season.

Tony Romo, like the team, was ragged. He led Dallas to only one touchdown in four possessions, which is hardly the way you want to storm into the season. (he threw one poor pass all night)

He threw his first interception of the preseason on second-and-eight from the San Francisco 35. Romo, hit as he threw, forced the ball deep to well-covered Kevin Ogletree and safety Mark Roman easily intercepted the pass. (Hey JJT, go back and look at the tape. Ogletree wasnt well covered, in fact he had his guy beat for a TD, it was only picked because Romo had some pressure and underthrew to the inside)

In the second quarter, Romo had a clear running lane to end zone on third-and-goal from the San Francisco 9, but tossed a pass to Patrick Crayton just before he crossed the line of scrimmage. Crayton gained only seven yards, forcing Dallas to settle for a field goal. (Yeah arse wipe, preseason is the perfect time for your starting QB to go all out and try to scramble into the endzone from 9 yds out)

Did I mention that drive began at the San Francisco 9 after a 43-yard punt return by Terence Newman? The Cowboys must score a touchdown in that situation.

Feel free to blow off the litany of mistakes, if you choose, because it's just preseason game. (not blowing them off, but also not as concerned when you acknowledge that the guys making the most, and worst mistakes wont be here for the games that count)

If the coaches and players take a similar attitude - you should hope they don't - it will cause the Cowboys to end this season the same way the did last year, trudging off the field, their heads bowed, because they didn't make the playoffs for the second consecutive year.

This team has talent, no doubt. That's never the question with this collection of players.

But this team isn't nearly good enough to consistently make mistakes, mental or physical, and earn a trip to the playoffs, especially in the NFC East.

The players and coaches must accept that.

This team must play its best football every week to accomplish its goals. In the big picture, this preseason game has no affect on the Cowboys' season, but it's never too early for this team to establish good habits.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Jimmy cut scrubs when they made dumb mistakes. So what? This ain't Jimmy's team.

thats the problem you dont have a head coach that takes charge and players know it. Wade tries, i like the way he worked the team harder, but you cant let up, not with this team, they are under performers, you have to keep your foot on their neck and push them;

 

[AbeBeta]

jacquee taylor said it best right here;

JJT's usual ignorance

Yes. JJT's usual ignorance... matches well with yours

 

[cowboyjoe]

AbeBeta
abersonc

thats where we differ abe;
jjt tells it like it is; just like babe laufenberg said last night, making dumb mistakes can become a habit if you dont correct them, if you dont see that, then your fooling yourself and like you said abe, your showing ignorance



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Originally Posted by cowboyjoe
jacquee taylor said it best right here;

JJT's usual ignorance


Yes. JJT's usual ignorance... matches well with yours

 

[AbeBeta]

AbeBeta

thats where we differ abe;
jjt tells it like it is; just like babe laufenberg said last night, making dumb mistakes can become a habit if you dont correct them, if you dont see that, then your fooling yourself and like you said abe, your showing ignorance

No. JJT tells it like a dumb *** who overreacts to every mistake. It remains ignorant to cut players at this point b/c they made mistakes. You cut a guy who isn't making an effort. You don't cut someone for a holding call or a bad snap - this is the time of the season to work that stuff out. That's why TC/Pre-season exist.

 

[poke]

jacquee taylor said it best right here;

JJT's usual ignorance

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Numerous errors here, par for the course with this dope:

what the heck are you saying ?

first you said taylor says it best right here, then you say JJT's usual ignorance.
secondly with all the underlining and red colors and your comments thrown
in i never know who is saying what.
thirdly jimmy johnson is gone, he ain't coming back and yes i know you think
you know more than wade but you dont