First impressive Jaylon video

[FuzzyLumpkins]

PSA: Please ignore KJJ and his mindless, "I don't believe it," nihilist blanket dismissals. Incredulousness is not an argument and nothing you say will stop him from repeating himself and writing walls of text in place of honorable argument.

He just wants the attention and adds nothing of substance.

 

[AsthmaField]

Anyone trying to determine how Smith will play based off his foot drop/spring in his foot or how his toes are pointed is making a big mistake. Some of what's being posted is cracking me up. LOL His ability to play football at the high level everyone is hoping for will be determined when he puts the pads on and has to make plays on the field.

The angle of the toe pointing let's us know how many pro bowls he'll make in his career.

Toes pointed all the way up: Hall of Fame.
Toes at a 56.7 degree angle or greater: 8 pro bowls.
Any toe pointing less than 25 degrees will result in just two pro bowl alternate nods.

 

[AsthmaField]

yet the entire thread for the most part is non-professionals speaking a language and topic they don't really know well. And when a professional does speak most of you want to argue.

It is a crying shame but that is correct. It says a lot about human nature actually... which is also a crying shame.

 

[Scotman]

furthermore on the previous message, i am not aware of a good simple reliable mechanical means for engineering a delay in the spring back.
so to make it a safe return, it would most likely mean a slower return

Yes, I mean that she can't lift her foot back up well. And it wasn't safe and she required a walker and then a cane as she learned to walk again. She fell often when she first got back on her feet. But, she has regained a little control over the years. The AFO wasn't heavily spring loaded. It is easy for her to move. When she quits pressing it comes smoothly back up. Especially as she has regained some control.

I can tell you this, Jaylon has far more control than she does.

I'm truly hopeful for him. I don't put any stock in timeliness, though. Crystal's recovery took much longer than predicted....but she regained far more than ANY of her doctors thought she would.

 

[xwalker]

I don't need your pictures. The point is no professional speaks of toes when talking about foot drop or the movement of the foot. That's why I brought it up yet the entire thread for the most part is non-professionals speaking a language and topic they don't really know well. And when a professional does speak most of you want to argue.

Which is why I try to stay out of these discussions and why so many others just quit and/or left the site. I'll do a better job.

I'm not sure of your point or the cause of your angst.

In regards to arguing with a professional, I don't know the real people behind the member IDs.

 

[Melonfeud]

What your are describing is basically a shock absorber.

The brace in the image has a hinge mechanism with a spring action that pulls the toe-end of the foot up. Even if the spring was really strong, if the hinge was really tight, then the return action of the spring would be slower. The tighter the hinge the slower the return up to the point that if it's too tight the spring won't be strong enough to move it.

That contraption is entirely to bulky and for all its apparent purposes will impede the wearer more than help, a better and far simpler design would be to start with the shoe itself, eyelets along the laces area to attach/retain the tensioner(small single or double coil springs/surgical tubing,whatever) then a simple Velcro/hook-n-loop band placed above the ankle light and easy since if I understand this particular aliment correctly is the quest of keeping the foot more or less 'level' after stepping, walking, running, jumping, slaying dragons, dating orcs,etc.

 

[waldoputty]

Yes, I mean that she can't lift her foot back up well. And it wasn't safe and she required a walker and then a cane as she learned to walk again. She fell often when she first got back on her feet. But, she has regained a little control over the years. The AFO wasn't heavily spring loaded. It is easy for her to move. When she quits pressing it comes smoothly back up. Especially as she has regained some control.

I can tell you this, Jaylon has far more control than she does.

I'm truly hopeful for him. I don't put any stock in timeliness, though. Crystal's recovery took much longer than predicted....but she regained far more than ANY of her doctors thought she would.

Right, my guess is this video was without an AFO.
If there was an AFO, it is not the type he had but one that is far less stiff/protective - that only provide some support and protection.
It is hard to believe Jaylon's degree of control shown in the video is due to an AFO.

 

[KJJ]

The angle of the toe pointing let's us know how many pro bowls he'll make in his career.

Toes pointed all the way up: Hall of Fame.
Toes at a 56.7 degree angle or greater: 8 pro bowls.
Any toe pointing less than 25 degrees will result in just two pro bowl alternate nods.

The length of this thread 26 pages and counting shows how hyped some are over that video. Amazing the conclusions some have reached based off it.

 

[Melonfeud]

It is a crying shame but that is correct. It says a lot about human nature actually... which is also a crying shame.

You need to hang around more often than you have been lately ,,,good stuff,,,

 

[AsthmaField]

The length of this thread 26 pages and counting shows how hyped some are over that video. Amazing the conclusions some have reached based off it.

I understand. All of it is a little bit crazy on both sides.

It is why I have specifically tried to stay off this subject.

 

[xwalker]

yet the entire thread for the most part is non-professionals speaking a language and topic they don't really know well. And when a professional does speak most of you want to argue.

It is a crying shame but that is correct. It says a lot about human nature actually... which is also a crying shame.

We talk about professional football all the time, but none of us are NFL players or coaches.

 

[AsthmaField]

You need to hang around more often than you have been lately ,,,good stuff,,,

I appreciate it bro. Been working so much and spending so much time at the gym that I just don't post nearly as often as I used to. I still come read often though and will probably start posting more as the draft gets closer.

Huge draftnik here, lol.

 

[KJJ]

PSA: Please ignore KJJ and his mindless, "I don't believe it," nihilist blanket dismissals. Incredulousness is not an argument and nothing you say will stop him from repeating himself and writing walls of text in place of honorable argument.

He just wants the attention and adds nothing of substance.

Try getting me out of your head for once. This is just another one of your desperate attempts to try and make this about me. You're giving me plenty of attention by continuing to call me out. Glad to see I was able to once again get under your thin skin. It didn't take much. Lol

 

[AsthmaField]

We talk about professional football all the time, but none of us are NFL players or coaches.

I consider myself a professional football player who just didn't get a break into the sport. I'm also a pro personnel director who chose the wrong field.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We talk about professional football all the time, but none of us are NFL players or coaches.

He's not talking about discussing the issue. He is talking about ignoring experts in the field when they contradict the layman's position.

It would be like Pollock coming on here and you arguing with him about your blocking assignment wishcasting.

 

[xwalker]

That contraption is entirely to bulky and for all its apparent purposes will impede the wearer more than help, a better and far simpler design would be to start with the shoe itself, eyelets along the laces area to attach/retain the tensioner(small single or double coil springs/surgical tubing,whatever) then a simple Velcro/hook-n-loop band placed above the ankle light and easy since if I understand this particular aliment correctly is the quest of keeping the foot more or less 'level' after stepping, walking, running, jumping, slaying dragons, dating orcs,etc.

Obviously that is not designed for playing sports. I posted that pic in a discussion about springs and dampers.

There are a multitude of possibilities for designing devices for this condition. Just search AFO and you'll see many variations. Most of the available ones had to be made within some reasonable cost range. With the Cowboys budget they could get even more high-tech designs.

 

[AsthmaField]

That contraption is entirely to bulky and for all its apparent purposes will impede the wearer more than help, a better and far simpler design would be to start with the shoe itself, eyelets along the laces area to attach/retain the tensioner(small single or double coil springs/surgical tubing,whatever) then a simple Velcro/hook-n-loop band placed above the ankle light and easy since if I understand this particular aliment correctly is the quest of keeping the foot more or less 'level' after stepping, walking, running, jumping, slaying dragons, dating orcs,etc.

That's just crazy... Who would date an Orc?

 

[xwalker]

He's not talking about discussing the issue. He is talking about ignoring experts in the field when they contradict the layman's position.

It would be like Pollock coming on here and you arguing with him about your blocking assignment wishcasting.

Who's the expert that we're arguing with ?

 

[waldoputty]

That contraption is entirely to bulky and for all its apparent purposes will impede the wearer more than help, a better and far simpler design would be to start with the shoe itself, eyelets along the laces area to attach/retain the tensioner(small single or double coil springs/surgical tubing,whatever) then a simple Velcro/hook-n-loop band placed above the ankle light and easy since if I understand this particular aliment correctly is the quest of keeping the foot more or less 'level' after stepping, walking, running, jumping, slaying dragons, dating orcs,etc.

Right, I dont believe Jaylon could be performance in the video could be due to a spring-loaded AFO. Movement was far too natural, the left and right matched well etc. Furthermore, the picture barely showed anything remotely similar to a clunky AFO. And the simple support type devices do not provide for any type of snap back action.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who's the expert that we're arguing with ?

Jobberone is a doctor and know more about neurology and orthopedics than just about everyone here.

He has given his opinion about Jaylons progrees and people have poopooed it.