Fish: How will Schotty influence the Draft?

Hawkeye0202 said:
He thinks TE Tyler Warren could now be a major target........can't disagree. Especially if Witten is added to the staff
He gives you another recieving weapon, blocker and protector.

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I dont get the Shottenhiemer/Warren connection. Dont really why Shottenhiemer could signal a TE. Not saying they won't draft Warren, but dont see why Shottenhiemer puts that into focus

If Eberflus is the guy, guys like James Pearce, Derrick Harmon, Shemar Stewart (as a 3T), Walter Nolan, Jihad Campbell and Mike Green are guys to look at
 
Cowboyny said:
I see a good player, but not a generational one. Not the receiver as a Bowers or a Pitts was at the same stage. If fully developed could potentially become a George Kittles type, but has a long way to go as a route runner. See him more as a 2nd round player.
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I stand by you dont need a first round tight end. You can find a quality one in any round and I think Ferg and Schoon are fine.
 
Warren would be a great first round pick IMO

1) Warren
1b) Tet if he falls
2) Matthew Golden in a trade down
3) Jeanty

There should be no other picks in the first.
 
Folks can fight me on it, but I think there's a solid case for taking Penn State TE Tyler Warren at #12. My argument for drafting Warren is really contingent on some unforeseen scenario where defensive prospects like Mason Graham or Abdul Carter being available not happening. Here's my rationale (in no specific order):
  • Our passing game needs help, but I don't see a receiver worth taking at #12. Some like Burden, but he's too rich for me that early in R1. I like Egbuka more and could squeeze my eyes if we took him in that spot, but doing so probably wouldn't be my first choice.

  • Tyler Warren is the best TE in the class and one of the few blue-chip prospects in this draft class. Warren's a prolific pass-catcher with the right demeanor, elite ball skills, and huge catch radius which is critical when you have a QB that isn't always precise locating the ball like Dak.

  • I'm a big Ferg fan and was so even before we drafted him. That said, he's an unrestricted FA after 2025. I think he'll likely command a salary somewhere slotted between Dalton Schultz (3-years/$36M) and Evan Engram (3-years/$41.3M) or possibly more. Last year's #12 pick salary slot was 4-years/$18.6M is well below what Ferg will likely get in free agency. That matters to the Jones Boyz.

  • Some may say "well, what if Jeanty is there at #12?" I like Jeanty, but there should be other RBs available later in the draft that can be very productive. That's not the case at TE.

  • You know Jerry is always trying to make the past the present. I think they love traditional TE types that can block inline which Warren can do. You know Jerruh's brain is thinking "this could be our next Witten."
 
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CalPolyTechnique said:
Folks can fight me on it, but I think there's a solid case for taking Penn State TE Tyler Warren at #12. My argument for drafting Warren is really contingent on some unforeseen scenario happening where defensive prospects like Mason Graham or Abdul Carter being available not happening. Here's my rationale (in no specific order):
  • Our passing game needs help, but I don't see a receiver worth taking at #12. Some like Burden, but he's too rich for me that early in R1. I like Egbuka more and could squeeze my eyes if we took him in that spot, but doing so probably wouldn't be my first choice.

  • Tyler Warren is the best TE in the class and one of the few blue-chip prospects in this draft class. Warren's a prolific pass-catcher with the right demeanor, elite ball skills, and huge catch radius which is critical when you have a QB that isn't always precise locating the ball like Dak.

  • I'm a big Ferg fan and was so even before we drafted him. That said, he's an unrestricted FA after 2025. I think he'll likely command a salary somewhere slotted between Dalton Schultz (3-years/$36M) and Evan Engram (3-years/$41.3M) or possibly more. Last year's #12 pick salary slot was 4-years/$18.6M is well below what Ferg will likely get in free agency. That matters to the Jones Boyz.

  • Some may say "well, what if Jeanty is there at #12?" I like Jeanty, but there should be other RBs available later in the draft that can be very productive. That's not the case at TE.

  • You know Jerry is always trying to make the past the present. I think they love traditional TE types that can block inline which Warren can do. You know Jerruh's brain is thinking "this could be our next Witten."
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Agreed and Love the player, someone so big shouldn’t be able to move like that, takes carries, end arounds, can get really creative with him.

I don’t see any blue chip defensive prospect falling.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
I stand by you dont need a first round tight end. You can find a quality one in any round and I think Ferg and Schoon are fine.
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It depends on you good you think he is.

I think he's a first round talent based off his athleticism and "playmaking potential". He made quite a few impressive circus catches for big plays. He had that “it factor”, a playmaking ability that you cannot coach - players either have it or they don’t.

If you’re like others and are worried about how “raw” he is then that’s a different story. I personally think his biggest issue is route running, and that can definitely be coached.
 
darthseinfeld said:
I dont get the Shottenhiemer/Warren connection. Dont really why Shottenhiemer could signal a TE. Not saying they won't draft Warren, but dont see why Shottenhiemer puts that into focus

If Eberflus is the guy, guys like James Pearce, Derrick Harmon, Shemar Stewart (as a 3T), Walter Nolan, Jihad Campbell and Mike Green are guys to look at
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I think 3t is going to be a priority, even if they resign Osa
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Folks can fight me on it, but I think there's a solid case for taking Penn State TE Tyler Warren at #12. My argument for drafting Warren is really contingent on some unforeseen scenario where defensive prospects like Mason Graham or Abdul Carter being available not happening. Here's my rationale (in no specific order):
  • Our passing game needs help, but I don't see a receiver worth taking at #12. Some like Burden, but he's too rich for me that early in R1. I like Egbuka more and could squeeze my eyes if we took him in that spot, but doing so probably wouldn't be my first choice.

  • Tyler Warren is the best TE in the class and one of the few blue-chip prospects in this draft class. Warren's a prolific pass-catcher with the right demeanor, elite ball skills, and huge catch radius which is critical when you have a QB that isn't always precise locating the ball like Dak.

  • I'm a big Ferg fan and was so even before we drafted him. That said, he's an unrestricted FA after 2025. I think he'll likely command a salary somewhere slotted between Dalton Schultz (3-years/$36M) and Evan Engram (3-years/$41.3M) or possibly more. Last year's #12 pick salary slot was 4-years/$18.6M is well below what Ferg will likely get in free agency. That matters to the Jones Boyz.

  • Some may say "well, what if Jeanty is there at #12?" I like Jeanty, but there should be other RBs available later in the draft that can be very productive. That's not the case at TE.

  • You know Jerry is always trying to make the past the present. I think they love traditional TE types that can block inline which Warren can do. You know Jerruh's brain is thinking "this could be our next Witten."
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Ferguson is a good comparison, but we got him in rd 4, not 12th overall. In a normal draft, think he is more of a top 60 prospect
 
Cowboyny said:
What your thoughts of Marinelli's scheme staying with Eberflus? I hate it!
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I honestly don’t know about his scheme…cover 2?

We need a talent overhaul regardless so if we add good players we’ll see what happens.
 
darthseinfeld said:
I dont get the Shottenhiemer/Warren connection. Dont really why Shottenhiemer could signal a TE. Not saying they won't draft Warren, but dont see why Shottenhiemer puts that into focus

If Eberflus is the guy, guys like James Pearce, Derrick Harmon, Shemar Stewart (as a 3T), Walter Nolan, Jihad Campbell and Mike Green are guys to look at
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Eberflus drafted OL, DTs and DBs early when he was with Chicago…and you know he’ll be high on LBs as a former LBs coach.

Not opposed to shoring up the trenches / front 7.
 
cnuball21 said:
I honestly don’t know about his scheme…cover 2?

We need a talent overhaul regardless so if we add good players we’ll see what happens.
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He runs a very similar scheme to Marinelli’s who he learned from while coaching here, remember he was a Rob Ryan hire but decided to stay. Ton of zone coverage, very little blitzing and targets quickness off the snap and rangy linebackers
 
Cowboyny said:
He runs a very similar scheme to Marinelli’s who he learned from while coaching here, remember he was a Rob Ryan hire but decided to stay. Ton of zone coverage, very little blitzing and targets quickness off the snap and rangy linebackers
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Those defenses only work with good front 4s. And I'm talking all 4 can get to the qb. So we better do something about that or it'll be typical Cowboy defense vs elite qbs
 
cnuball21 said:
Eberflus drafted OL, DTs and DBs early when he was with Chicago…and you know he’ll be high on LBs as a former LBs coach.

Not opposed to shoring up the trenches / front 7.
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How high can you see Campbell going
 
Cowboyny said:
He runs a very similar scheme to Marinelli’s who he learned from while coaching here, remember he was a Rob Ryan hire but decided to stay. Ton of zone coverage, very little blitzing and targets quickness off the snap and rangy linebackers
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Thanks…I wouldn’t be opposed to a defense draft at all as long as we sign or trade for a WR.

Trade back and get me Harmon and Campbell if he falls and let’s ride.

Going to need to n bring back JLew or another CB.
 
cnuball21 said:
Thanks…I wouldn’t be opposed to a defense draft at all as long as we sign or trade for a WR.

Trade back and get me Harmon and Campbell if he falls and let’s ride.

Going to need to n bring back JLew or another CB.
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The scheme is reliant on the front 4 getting quick pressure to force the ball out of the qb hands into tight windows. It’s a 1 gap system. Quick twitch lineman will be the focus. Those run first DT’s will
not be the priority but rather ones who get get off the snap quickly and get up the field. Players like Nolen, Pierce are good fits
 
This much.

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