Fish Reports: Cowboys want Dak but not for long

TheMarathonContinues said:
That’s what I’m saying I mean it’s a genuine question I just never seen someone career end on a bad ankle. I’ve seen neck, back, leg……it may have happened I just can’t recall.
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His ankle snapped and his bone punctured the skin.

That is not just a sprained ankle ...... I had the same injury getting run over in Germany by a drunk driver.
 
plymkr said:
So then we would eat this year’s dead money and the extension would kick in at the beginning of ‘25. So any signing bonus would be applied to ‘25 and forward. So the cap credit card would be the 40 million plus whatever guarantees the new extension would get. If I’m understanding that right.

This is why I don’t understand why Jerry would want a 2-3 year deal because on the cap credit card we already got 40 million. I would assume he’d want a longer deal to spread the existing 40 million out plus whatever the new signing bonus would be. A 5 year deal, which is what Dak wants, could make that possible.

If Jerry wants Dak to stay than a longer deal makes sense. I’m doubting if Jerry wants Dak to be here. And now that statement Dak made about “how people feel” makes more sense.
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Jerry will just push the $40M for next year down the road.
 
zrinkill said:
His ankle snapped and his bone punctured the skin.

That is not just a sprained ankle ...... I had the same injury getting run over in Germany by a drunk driver.
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I understand the severity of the injury. I’m just saying I haven’t seen someone’s career end on that especially someone who isn’t mobile. If it was Lamar I’d get it.
 
plymkr said:
So then we would eat this year’s dead money and the extension would kick in at the beginning of ‘25. So any signing bonus would be applied to ‘25 and forward. So the cap credit card would be the 40 million plus whatever guarantees the new extension would get. If I’m understanding that right.

This is why I don’t understand why Jerry would want a 2-3 year deal because on the cap credit card we already got 40 million. I would assume he’d want a longer deal to spread the existing 40 million out plus whatever the new signing bonus would be. A 5 year deal, which is what Dak wants, could make that possible.

If Jerry wants Dak to stay than a longer deal makes sense. I’m doubting if Jerry wants Dak to be here. And now that statement Dak made about “how people feel” makes more sense.
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Ding - Ding - Ding...Winner-Winner-Chicken-Dinner. Now, the question is...Why doesn't Dak want a shorter deal, since if he's as good as many say he is, he would be available in 2027 to make even more money?
I think there are 3 reasons:

- Security: At this point in his career, you want long term security. Your body starts to break down as you age, and so the next contract is no guarantee. Dak has the same ankle injury this year...he might not get signed to that lofty $70mm deal his supporters claim he can get with no problem.

- Personal pride: If you've ever been vested in something you know. You put part of yourself into it...and then to be rejected or discarded? Brutal.

- Professional Pride: Dak wants to go where he is wanted and appreciated for his hard work. Think Brady when they asked him if the Patriots appreciate him and he basically said not as much as they should. Nothing says "I love you" like the 10 year deal Patrick Mahomes signed.

So this is all backwards. Dak should want the short term deal - if he's as good as his supporters say - and Jerry "should" want a longer deal to help with cap and free agency.

BUT this all assumes Jerry wants Dak and Dak has "all the leverage"...and we know what happens when people assume
 
OGSixshooter said:
Ding - Ding - Ding...Winner-Winner-Chicken-Dinner. Now, the question is...Why doesn't Dak want a shorter deal, since if he's as good as many say he is, he would be available in 2027 to make even more money?
I think there are 3 reasons:

- Security: At this point in his career, you want long term security. Your body starts to break down as you age, and so the next contract is no guarantee. Dak has the same ankle injury this year...he might not get signed to that lofty $70mm deal his supporters claim he can get with no problem.

- Personal pride: If you've ever been vested in something you know. You put part of yourself into it...and then to be rejected or discarded? Brutal.

- Professional Pride: Dak wants to go where he is wanted and appreciated for his hard work. Think Brady when they asked him if the Patriots appreciate him and he basically said not as much as they should. Nothing says "I love you" like the 10 year deal Patrick Mahomes signed.

So this is all backwards. Dak should want the short term deal - if he's as good as his supporters say - and Jerry "should" want a longer deal to help with cap and free agency.

BUT this all assumes Jerry wants Dak and Dak has "all the leverage"...and we know what happens when people assume
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I’ve been saying it all offseason. Power in a relationship is the person who can walk away first. Dak doesn’t have leverage if Jerry doesn’t want him.
 
OGSixshooter said:
Ding - Ding - Ding...Winner-Winner-Chicken-Dinner. Now, the question is...Why doesn't Dak want a shorter deal, since if he's as good as many say he is, he would be available in 2027 to make even more money?
I think there are 3 reasons:

- Security: At this point in his career, you want long term security. Your body starts to break down as you age, and so the next contract is no guarantee. Dak has the same ankle injury this year...he might not get signed to that lofty $70mm deal his supporters claim he can get with no problem.

- Personal pride: If you've ever been vested in something you know. You put part of yourself into it...and then to be rejected or discarded? Brutal.

- Professional Pride: Dak wants to go where he is wanted and appreciated for his hard work. Think Brady when they asked him if the Patriots appreciate him and he basically said not as much as they should. Nothing says "I love you" like the 10 year deal Patrick Mahomes signed.

So this is all backwards. Dak should want the short term deal - if he's as good as his supporters say - and Jerry "should" want a longer deal to help with cap and free agency.

BUT this all assumes Jerry wants Dak and Dak has "all the leverage"...and we know what happens when people assume
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Dak has no interest of being a bridge QB to develop his replacement. The funny thing is lots of fan that it was only about money. It clearly is not only about money.

Dak still has all the leverage and Jerry will be left stuck with Trance, a rookie QB, or a bet that no one wants.
 
OGSixshooter said:
Well, for 1 it means the Cowboys TRULY don’t believe in Dak. It’s always in the teams’ best interest to go 4 years or longer…they can manipulate the cap and lower the APY with longer term security. MOST IMPORTANTLY, it doesn’t allow the player to hit free agency…the more that happens, the more the palaver can charge. The Cowboys WANT a shorter deal because they see a greater risk in wasting TIME.

I keep bringing up TIME because people are focused on money…and rightly so. But there’s an old equation that grows more true as time goes on for me: Time = Money. BUT Money does not necessarily always equal time, which means time is the MORE valuable of the two in many, many scenarios. In this one, the Cowboys value the time to move on and not be tied to a LOSER, rather than save some money.

This is all the difference in the world if you understand what the Cowboys are “leaking”
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you said "As I had been saying to some folks, the party that cares (or can afford to care the least) almost always has the leverage. Dak wants the Cowboys more than they want him."

And again this is simply not true...Dak knows he has what he wants in FA coming, the Cowboys can offer what ever they want to offer now and if Dak turns it down it simply means he knows he can get better in FA...The Cowboys will then be bidding against other teams in FA...how does any of this say "Dak wants the Cowboys more than they want him" he said no to the offer...use what ever names you want for Dak, what your saying still doesnt make sense...If the Cowboys were done then why is Dak playing this year? Why not just start Lance? If they think Dak is a "Loser" then why not watch him sit the bench before he leaves? Make no mistake Dak will leave before he signs a lesser deal than he knows he will get in FA...which also blows your theory out of the water..
 
FoxF said:
It’s business and Daks career, and will see how it plays out. But the signals the Cowboys are sending say they are not committed to him, so Dak should do what’s best for his career. I hope to see him on another team next year and get his payday.
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You forgot that that team will either miss the playoffs or lose in the wild card round.
 
Chasing6 said:
Dak has no interest of being a bridge QB to develop his replacement. The funny thing is lots of fan that it was only about money. It clearly is not only about money.

Dak still has all the leverage and Jerry will be left stuck with Trance, a rookie QB, or a bet that no one wants.
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Who cares what Dak is interested in. Every Cowboy fan I know is ready to move on from him.
 
plymkr said:
I totally agree. My beef is why didn’t we do this in March? My beef is not resigning Dak. I’m all for that, unless Dak signed for 25-30 million. I’m kind of relieved it’s looking like a deal won’t get done because I’m all for a salary cap purge and roster rebuild. So my issue is roster management and timing on this one. If Jerry and DNA boy were not going to meet Dak’s contract demands then why couldn’t this happen in March before the draft and before preseason?

That’s my beef. Now it seems like we’re wasting 2024 on a lame duck QB and coaches when we could have been building for the future. The only thing that makes sense is if Jerry thought Dak would cave and Jerry is winning the staring contest. Outside of that I feel this could have been done in March and we could have traded for Justin Fields and let Trey, Justin and Rush battle it out this summer. I don’t want Dak here but I feel Jerry could have handled it much better for the franchise.
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I agree...we are wasting a year on lame ducks...for what? The only way this works out is if 1) Trey Lance is a franchise QB, 2) We play so badly we get the #1 overall pick and get a franchise QB or 3) Dak balls out and plays well. None of those 3 scenarios is likely...so the best thing to do would be to tank this year, rip the bandaid off clean and rebuild.
 
Flamma said:
It's hard to find a lot of things, that doesn't mean you pay for it at any cost. You still have to weigh the cost against the alternatives.

Did you ever price batteries for lawn tools? A 20V 6ah battery from the United States cost about 150 bucks. Two of them 300. The Chinese knockoffs are 55 bucks for 2. Are they better than the American made? No. Maybe 15-25% worse. But which one am I buying?
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this is hilarious because i literally just went through this exact scenario. those batteries are gold!
 
The Jones Family will still be wealthy when this season ends.

Dak Prescott will get his money with a different team next season.

Everybody wins.

Can they put this aside and go win a SB now? Probably not.

5-12 because both sides can't do the right thing. The crying and finger pointing will intensify before week 5, and completely hit the fan by week 8.
 
zrinkill said:
Andrew Luck and Delanie Walker off the top of my head
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Luck explained: "There were some things that when I looked in the mirror, I did not like about myself," he says. "I was self-absorbed, withdrawn, in pain, and feeling pressure." Kramer also questioned Luck and made him think of himself in a way he hadn't before, something other than just a quarterback.


Seems like ther may have been some other things but you could be right I never heard of him retiring for his ankle at 29 but just because I haven’t heard or read doesn’t make it not thre.
 
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