Fish Reports: Cowboys want Dak but not for long

[starfan1]

Agreed. He trolls pretty hard...with ac matching stride for stride.

not sure I agree with that but to each his own. I wish AC had a bit more tact but there's no way IMO hes in the same category.

 

[fivetwos]

Sometimes I just wish I didn't pay attention to contracts, and how they work. I only started doing that in 2016.

Here's the issue with Dak. If they gave him a 4 year 55M a year extension, his average cap hit would be 63M a year when you add the 95M leftover. A 5 year deal makes it 61M. There's no good way to structure that. That would put the Cowboys at a huge disadvantage against other teams. Teams that have better QBs. That's the problem with most 3rd contracts for QBs. Dak's regular season magic against bad teams isn't making up that gap.

Yes, and a big part of that is the money pushed down the road on his current deal. That’s going to be there regardless.

Nothing wrong with that, but knowing the bill is eventually coming, you take your best shot while you’re within the savings window with the understanding that you’ll pay with a couple of down seasons, but even with that…you’ll have some nice draft opportunity for a rebuild. It makes full sense to operate that way and I’m sure most teams do.

They don’t want to do that. I mean, counting on a 5th round pick with a neck problem because you don’t want to find the money for Bobby Wagner is never going to add up. That’s one small example.

As I’ve said many times, they were cheap in FA the last few years supposedly in order to avoid cap problems. Now all I hear is how there’s no cap room and how they are worried about signing guys years from now. That, plus thinking you want to never have a down cycle isn’t going to prevail in todays NFL. Not when you’re competing against more qualified people with much more urgency.

The Dallas Cowboys lose a lot of games in March.

 

[Proof]

Does Baker suck? That team made the divisional round and played well vs Detroit with a QB on his 4th team in two seasons.

guess hopefully we can grab a former heisman winning first overall pick for cheap!

 

[OGSixshooter]

Just sign the man to a 4 year extension with 4th year voidable. that gives you 5 total years more he will be 36 by then and if he has not done it by 35 move on. if he's won you a superbowl or more resign until he's 40

You and I have 4 years to spare - if we’re lucky. Jerry needs more than luck for a good 4 years.

 

[Chasing6]

He doesn't wanna go cold turkey at the position. Let's be honest, Dak has the regular season covered, it's the postseason he's trying to break through. Two years will give Jerry one last chance to see if he can do which also grooming his replacement.

Dak is not going to sign a 2 year deal.

 

[OGSixshooter]

How does this change anything anyone has said? I think we all already knew the 2 sides dont agree on what they want....FA is the market and thats on Dak's teams side...Question has Dak agreed to a shorter deal with the Cowboys? Why do you think that is?

Well, for 1 it means the Cowboys TRULY don’t believe in Dak. It’s always in the teams’ best interest to go 4 years or longer…they can manipulate the cap and lower the APY with longer term security. MOST IMPORTANTLY, it doesn’t allow the player to hit free agency…the more that happens, the more the palaver can charge. The Cowboys WANT a shorter deal because they see a greater risk in wasting TIME.

I keep bringing up TIME because people are focused on money…and rightly so. But there’s an old equation that grows more true as time goes on for me: Time = Money. BUT Money does not necessarily always equal time, which means time is the MORE valuable of the two in many, many scenarios. In this one, the Cowboys value the time to move on and not be tied to a LOSER, rather than save some money.

This is all the difference in the world if you understand what the Cowboys are “leaking”.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Dak is not going to sign a 2 year deal.

Agreed…it’s a spit in the face of Dak (proverbially).

 

[Chasing6]

Agreed…it’s a spit in the face of Dak (proverbially).

Dak has no interest in being a bridge to help GM Jethro rebuild and develop his replacement.

 

[Chasing6]

Geez…Dak hasn’t done anything with talented teams over the past nine-years…and with “history is the best predictor of the future” it doesn’t appear that Dak is all of a sudden take Dallas deep into the playoffs.
Why pay him more money for historical levels of performance? Let him play this year out and cut him loose…he will be 31 years old and is clearly a system QB…let some other team pay him.

History proves we are screwed with GM Jethro.

 

[starfan1]

This posts says you don’t like him, but since he’s a Dak over Dallas fan like you, and there’s only like 5 of y’all left here you must kinda defend him lolololololol

No I'm just an anybody over you fan.

Its funny you troll folks in hopes of a response that pushes the limit of the rules and then go running to the powers that be hoping that you can get them in hot water. To me your thoughts on this board carry as much relevance as this mornings flush. You may be the holy grail to the ABD crew but in terms of football acumen not so much

.In terms of where I stand with Dak can easily be tracked.

I'm indifferent on whether or not he stays or goes but if him staying gets rid of the likes of you and few others malcontents like you then sign me up.

 

[Chasing6]

If Dak wants market value for a QB, he would ask for a 2-year contract, and hedge a bet on himself like he is doing now. During this time Jerry can draft their next QB, who in theory would take over if needed. I cannot see Jerry going long-term again with a third contract, seeing that he got conned into this last one and the last he wants is to have the exact negative leverage he had the last 4 years. The only way out is to cut your losses, and hope to find a QB in FA to take over next season while drafting one next April.

Why would Dak want to sign a 2 year deal for a team that is not trying to win now?

 

[chicago JK]

This is not how it works. You either sign him for a huge extension for a long time or you lose him. To think you have other avenues is silly. If you didn't want to sign him to a large, long term extension they should have tried to trade him. I know he has a no trade but there are ways around that ( I think).

As Is, they will cave and Dak will get his huge extension...I think.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

This is not how it works. You either sign him for a huge extension for a long time or you lose him. To think you have other avenues is silly. If you didn't want to sign him to a large, long term extension they should have tried to trade him. I know he has a no trade but there are ways around that ( I think).

As Is, they will cave and Dak will get his huge extension...I think.

Nah, it seems they want him as a bridge QB or not at all.

 

[Chasing6]

Oh you mean like the previous QB? Or better yet all the others from 96 to 05? …. Got it!

I don’t care if they move on but those pinning the failures on the qb as the reason lack football IQ

Troy Aikman carried the Cowboys with his 165 TD passes in 165 games. Don't you remember???

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Says the Eagles troll. What's worse are the posters liking his anti-Cowboys posts.

They’re anti too. They all like his posts and just troll.

 

[Chasing6]

My knee jerk reaction to this development is this is one of the dumbest things Jerry has done and that’s saying something because he’s done some really dumb things. I’m going to put my personal opinion on signing him aside and look at this from a bird’s eye view.
1. I’m completely shocked Jerry wants a short term deal and Dak wants a long term deal. I need you cap guys to explain this to me if I’m wrong. But wouldn’t a longer deal help the team deal with the already cap credit card of 40 million and spread out the signing bonus on the extension. That tells me Dak wanted to do a team friendly contract that gives us flexibility and Jerry is saying no. That’s if I understand it right.

2. If Jerry doesn’t want to commit long term to Dak then why even bother doing a 2 year deal? It seems to me that Dak wants to retire a Cowboy and Jerry doesn’t believe in him to sign him long term. So if you don’t believe in the guy then why didn’t you try and trade him early in the offseason so we can get something for him. If you’ve lost faith in him then why sign him for 2 years? Cut or trade him now and let’s start the rebuild.

3. I feel like Jerry is throwing away 2024 by his decision making. We could have done this in March, not 2 days before the season starts. In March Jerry should have told Dak we lost faith in you and we’re only going to sign you as a 2 year rental while we look for your replacement. You’re free to look around for better offers and if you find one we’ll trade you, obviously if you waive the NTC. Dak could have gotten his 60 million payday this season and we could have gotten compensation. Horrible mismanagement.

4. Jerry is a bad GM and a bad owner. I don’t know how anyone can stand up for this guy.

Because Jerra wants to keep hanging out at the rim.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This is not how it works. You either sign him for a huge extension for a long time or you lose him. To think you have other avenues is silly. If you didn't want to sign him to a large, long term extension they should have tried to trade him. I know he has a no trade but there are ways around that ( I think).

As Is, they will cave and Dak will get his huge extension...I think.

I think they know this. I think they are just dragging their feet.

 

[zrinkill]

I do not think it has anything to do with his playoff failures ....... I think the doctors and trainers are telling Jerry something.

Hence the short contract.

 

[starfan1]

Troy Aikman carried the Cowboys with his 165 TD passes in 165 games. Don't you remember???

Ya Aikman was pretty accurate especially in the post season and i loved me some Troy but the stars of those teams were in the trenches and the coaching staff. my point was that our problems are not JUST the QBs ,while they have contributed skelator and son are the main the culprits

 

[Chasing6]

Ya Aikman was pretty accurate especially in the post season and i loved me some Troy but the stars of those teams were in the trenches and the coaching staff. my point was that our problems are not JUST the QBs ,while they have contributed skelator and son are the main the culprits

The problem is GM Jethro does not know how to build a complimentary football team. Jimmy Johnson did that. All Jerry did was sign a few checks to add some Star Players.