Fish: Under Consideration, Negotiation, Greg Hardy To be in Valley Ranch soon *Mega merged*

[Stash]

I think it's even more likely we're looking at a multi year deal with a relatively expensive club option for years 2 and 3. Try-it-before you buy it year, and then it jumps up like the Melton deal did if the club wants to exercise the option. Otherwise, the player is free to do a long-term contract somewhere else. That protects the team in case the suspension is significant, and it looks better for the player and the agent in terms of his rehabilitation if the deal is for three years, meaning somebody was willing to take a bigger chance on him. By next year, if he's released for performance reasons (because the balloon payment is too rich for the team's blood), the domestic abuse accusations will be in the rear view window.

I'd have no problem with that.

At this point, whatever gets the guy here to fix our woeful pass rush!

 

[Idgit]

Yes, Scandrick participated in all of training camp/preseason last year before serving his suspension.

Yeah, that's a fairly important point in bringing the guy in. If he weren't available for camp and for the installation of the defense, that'd be a major negative.

 

[DFWJC]

So CBS says "Report: Hardy likely suspended 6 games"

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

I want a big time sack guy as much as anyone, but Hardy sounds like a guy making decisions that bring a lot of drama in his life.

If his ex was a party girl and an admitted narcotics user, seems very plausible that he knew about it and was indifferent to it. That's best case scenario. It doesn't seem like it was a situation where she had this secret addiction and he knew nothing about it. He wasn't married to her. Didn't have kids with her. If he wasn't okay with it in his life, he could have just ended that relationship. Add in reports of him keeping a mini arsenal. I don't know...there are some large warning signs with this guy.

It would have to be a super team-friendly contract. I don't see how you could give a big contract to Hardy while playing hardball with Dez.

She showed up at his house unannounced and wanted to have sex. He said no because she was coked up.
As for the arsenal, they was all legally registered. It is his right to bear arms and he did it the legal way.
I understand your questioning of the difference between Dez and Hardy, but Dez is a Cowboy this year. Hardy "can" be.

 

[JustDezIt]

get er done jerry

 

[DBOY3141]

So CBS says "Report: Hardy likely suspended 6 games"

Wonder is they suspend him for 6, he appeals and gets it kicked down to 2 or 3. Didn't Rice appeal his initial suspension or was it always 2 games? Or maybe I'm thinking of Big Ben appealing and getting a couple of games knocked off.

 

[darthseinfeld]

So CBS says "Report: Hardy likely suspended 6 games"

Theres your price drop

 

[Idgit]

I'd have no problem with that.

At this point, whatever gets the guy here to fix our woeful pass rush!

Oh, I know. We've been on the Hardy train together from day one.

Honestly, other than losing out on Durant, and having McClain still up in the air this week, the offseason has gone exactly as I expected it to go from day one. Passing on Murray was smart. Gachkar is the LB replacement (I like that signing, though I liked Durant a lot more), and now we appear to be homing in on Hardy as it's becoming apparent that he's affordable. At that point, we've got to be one of his most attractive options if we're really interested.

Get Dez done and upgrade QB2 somehow, and I'd be ready for the draft.

 

[erod]

He won't be really ready to play full on until the 8th or 9th game of the season. But what a jolt of energy that would be for a defense.

 

[speedkilz88]

I want a big time sack guy as much as anyone, but Hardy sounds like a guy making decisions that bring a lot of drama in his life.

If his ex was a party girl and an admitted narcotics user, seems very plausible that he knew about it and was indifferent to it. That's best case scenario. It doesn't seem like it was a situation where she had this secret addiction and he knew nothing about it. He wasn't married to her. Didn't have kids with her. If he wasn't okay with it in his life, he could have just ended that relationship. Add in reports of him keeping a mini arsenal. I don't know...there are some large warning signs with this guy.

It would have to be a super team-friendly contract. I don't see how you could give a big contract to Hardy while playing hardball with Dez.

Or maybe that is why he wanted to end the relationship.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

As for the arsenal, they was all legally registered. It is his right to bear arms and he did it the legal way.

Plus they come in handy if you're gonna have someone rubbed out, as he obviously did.

 

[LittleD]

I understand that... But youre suspending him on assumptions and not facts.


The NFL needs to let the court decide if someone is guilty or not and get out of the punishment business because they suck at it.

I respectfully disagree because playing football in the NFL is a privilege not a right. No person should be allowed
to bring discredit upon the league without impunity. In the corporate world, get in trouble like this and see how
long you have a job!

 

[speedkilz88]

I respectfully disagree because playing football in the NFL is a privilege not a right. No person should be allowed
to bring discredit upon the league without impunity. In the corporate world, get in trouble like this and see how
long you have a job!

Try pulling that with a strong union.

 

[Plankton]

Fisher seems to be changing the story as the wind blows here. Until Hardy has a visit with the team, I wouldn't expect anything to come of this. Personally, even though he is a terrific, young, productive player, the off the field stuff would make me pass.

The throwing stuff against a wall so it sticks stuff is great for site clicks, but little else.

 

[DBOY3141]

Try pulling that with a strong union.

All the owners have to do is agree not to sign him. What would the union do? He doesn't have a contract to play in the NFL at this time. So basically he is unemployed.

 

[Idgit]

Fisher seems to be changing the story as the wind blows here. Until Hardy has a visit with the team, I wouldn't expect anything to come of this. Personally, even though he is a terrific, young, productive player, the off the field stuff would make me pass.

The throwing stuff against a wall so it sticks stuff is great for site clicks, but little else.

Jason Garrett's done a good job of isolating the players from these off-the-field incidents. He just let's the air out of the ball (hat tip, Belichick) by boring us all to death with platitudes until we roll our eyes and go looking for red meat elsewhere. If guys aren't stealing underwear and then throwing our superstars under the bus on video, it's actually pretty effective. Give him the rest of the offseason and we'll be off to cover Dez extension or whatever the next sensationally exaggerated Werder-rumor is in no time.

Just look at how quickly the Sam stories were snuffed out after he came here. They sank like a rock.

 

[speedkilz88]

All the owners have to do is agree not to sign him. What would the union do? He doesn't have a contract to play in the NFL at this time. So basically he is unemployed.

If they agree not to sign him it's collusion. Now on their own they can choose not to sign him, see Ray Rice.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I respectfully disagree because playing football in the NFL is a privilege not a right. No person should be allowed
to bring discredit upon the league without impunity. In the corporate world, get in trouble like this and see how
long you have a job!

Playing football for a living is a job, like any other. The NFL surely has an interest in protecting its brand, as you suggest. Players have an even greater interest in not having their livelihood unduly interfered with. The Commish (and you) can argue until blue in the face that Hardy brought the league into disrepute with his conduct, but I don't see most judges taking that argument too seriously in the absence of a legal conviction.

As for the corporate world, since it would generally be much harder for a corporate employer to successfully argue that the far more private conduct of a typical employee threatens to tarnish its brand, it's even more unlikely that getting accused of a crime would result in reprisal, let alone (wrongful) dismissal.

 

[Plankton]

Jason Garrett's done a good job of isolating the players from these off-the-field incidents. He just let's the air out of the ball (hat tip, Belichick) by boring us all to death with platitudes until we roll our eyes and go looking for red meat elsewhere. If guys aren't stealing underwear and then throwing our superstars under the bus on video, it's actually pretty effective. Give him the rest of the offseason and we'll be off to cover Dez extension or whatever the next sensationally exaggerated Werder-rumor is in no time.

Just look at how quickly the Sam stories were snuffed out after he came here. They sank like a rock.

Not concerned with the media coverage so much as I would be with a player committing a crime. Garrett can't babysit these guys 24 hours a day.

 

[CATCH17]

I respectfully disagree because playing football in the NFL is a privilege not a right. No person should be allowed
to bring discredit upon the league without impunity. In the corporate world, get in trouble like this and see how
long you have a job!

I agree with all of that..

So what facts do you have that this guy is guilty of what he's accused of?

He's not guilty. The legal system decided that.


You can't go around firing people and suspending them every time someone accuses them of something.