Fish: Under Consideration, Negotiation, Greg Hardy To be in Valley Ranch soon *Mega merged*

[noshame]

Even if he comes in at game 7, and isn't up to speed till game 9-10, doesn't matter. If we're out of the play-offs at mid season, it wouldn't have mattered if he was there the whole time, if we're in the hunt, it's a shot in the arm for the D.

Get him in here.

Unless we've had our fun, and going into rebuild mode

 

[Kaiser]

Or maybe that is why he wanted to end the relationship.

He had ended the relationship and some of the news/Internet chatter was that the girl going bezerk was in some part due to the "stay away from me" stages of him breaking up with her. The girl being coked to the gills was probably another factor.

 

[Stash]

Oh, I know. We've been on the Hardy train together from day one.

Honestly, other than losing out on Durant, and having McClain still up in the air this week, the offseason has gone exactly as I expected it to go from day one. Passing on Murray was smart. Gachkar is the LB replacement (I like that signing, though I liked Durant a lot more), and now we appear to be homing in on Hardy as it's becoming apparent that he's affordable. At that point, we've got to be one of his most attractive options if we're really interested.

Get Dez done and upgrade QB2 somehow, and I'd be ready for the draft.

I'd still like a shot at getting Peterson, but at this point, it might not be in the cards. And if it's an either/or proposition, I say we sign Hardy. Pass rush is currently a much bigger need that the running game.

I've said several times that the team has been wise in letting the free agents walk that they did, rather than matching any of those offers. That said, the departure of talent has obviously weakened the team from the one that closed 2014. But if you sign a pass rusher of Hardy's ability, it goes a huge way to swing that pendulum from negative to positive (at least from a talent perspective).

 

[DBOY3141]

If they agree not to sign him it's collusion. Now on their own they can choose not to sign him, see Ray Rice.

Gotcha. I think it would be hard to prove collusion unless they put it in writing. I'm sure all kinds of things go on behind the scenes, since there are only 32 of them. Character has never been and will never be an issue in the NFL, he can play, so we will find a new team. Don't know if that will be Dallas, but it will be somebody.

 

[xwalker]

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/03/16/cowboys-in-on-pursuit-of-greg-hardy/

Fisher really screwed up on the original report from his website.

He let one of his minion post that article with the title indicating "no" on Hardy. Fisher has been backtracking ever since it was posted.

In the past Fisher was the best insider type for Cowboys info, but last summer he bought a Cowboys website and is trying to make money from it. He has let some knuckleheads publish a bunch of garbage there and he has even started get into hype himself, especially in regards to RoMc.

 

[visionary]

Sign him even if he will be suspended for 2-6 weeks

 

[Kaiser]

Oh, I know. We've been on the Hardy train together from day one.

Honestly, other than losing out on Durant, and having McClain still up in the air this week, the offseason has gone exactly as I expected it to go from day one. Passing on Murray was smart. Gachkar is the LB replacement (I like that signing, though I liked Durant a lot more), and now we appear to be homing in on Hardy as it's becoming apparent that he's affordable. At that point, we've got to be one of his most attractive options if we're really interested.

Get Dez done and upgrade QB2 somehow, and I'd be ready for the draft.

And if we have Hardy in the fold, IMO the only real "needs" for the draft are RB and CB, both of which are deep in this year's draft. There are other "nice to have" picks like FS, OT, DE, etc but the only "have to have" at that point would be a RB in the first three rounds

 

[speedkilz88]

Gotcha. I think it would be hard to prove collusion unless they put it in writing. I'm sure all kinds of things go on behind the scenes, since there are only 32 of them. Character has never been and will never be an issue in the NFL, he can play, so we will find a new team. Don't know if that will be Dallas, but it will be somebody.

Yeah, collusion if kept secret won't get them caught. But the NFL has been caught for it before and they even flaunted it again recently with the punishment on the Cowboys and Commanders.

 

[JustDezIt]

Fisher seems to be changing the story as the wind blows here. Until Hardy has a visit with the team, I wouldn't expect anything to come of this. Personally, even though he is a terrific, young, productive player, the off the field stuff would make me pass.

The throwing stuff against a wall so it sticks stuff is great for site clicks, but little else.

in all fairness fisher was on top of the Demarco situation from the get go.

 

[LittleD]

I agree with all of that..

So what facts do you have that this guy is guilty of what he's accused of?

He's not guilty. The legal system decided that.


You can't go around firing people and suspending them every time someone accuses them of something.

Again, you are wrong on this. He was convicted of the underlying charge of domestic violence. He was
let go after his lawyer appealed while he paid off the GF. I'm sorry, in this case the legal system failed.

 

[speedkilz88]

Fisher really screwed up on the original report from his website.

He let one of his minion post that article with the title indicating "no" on Hardy. Fisher has been backtracking ever since it was posted.

In the past Fisher was the best insider type for Cowboys info, but last summer he bought a Cowboys website and is trying to make money from it. He has let some knuckleheads publish a bunch of garbage there and he has even started get into hype himself, especially in regards to RoMc.

Well you're off TheEmperor's Christmas card list.

 

[LittleD]

Playing football for a living is a job, like any other. The NFL surely has an interest in protecting its brand, as you suggest. Players have an even greater interest in not having their livelihood unduly interfered with. The Commish (and you) can argue until blue in the face that Hardy brought the league into disrepute with his conduct, but I don't see most judges taking that argument too seriously in the absence of a legal conviction.

As for the corporate world, since it would generally be much harder for a corporate employer to successfully argue that the far more private conduct of a typical employee threatens to tarnish its brand, it's even more unlikely that getting accused of a crime would result in reprisal, let alone (wrongful) dismissal.

That statement is not true at all. In many states, right to work, the employment contract is hire at will & fire at will.
There are many instances where companies let people go for outside of work activities that reflect poorly on
the company.

 

[Kaiser]

Again, you are wrong on this. He was convicted of the underlying charge of domestic violence. He was
let go after his lawyer appealed while he paid off the GF. I'm sorry, in this case the legal system failed.

He paid the girl off to forgo filing a civil suit. That has no impact on the criminal case, if the DA had evidence he could have gone to trial (or more likely reached a plea bargain) without the girl testifying.

If the DA really thought Hardy and the girl were tanking the criminal case because of a payoff, he would prosecute them both for Obstruction of Justice.

 

[speedkilz88]

That statement is not true at all. In many states, right to work, the employment contract is hire at will & fire at will.
There are many instances where companies let people go for outside of work activities that reflect poorly on
the company.

But the NFL does have to work with a union and they have a colletive bargaining agreement they have to adhere to.

 

[btcutter]

If we can sign him to an incentive laden 1st year and balloon 2nd and 3rd yr (still with a clause regarding conduct) then it's probably worth the trouble.

Why? If he is a true sack artist then you would have still gotten him on the cheap for the 1st yr with the 2nd and 3rd year balloon contract because as the salary cap continues to rise the $$ paid to FA goes up as well. Whatever the cost is now it will only go up later.

 

[CATCH17]

Again, you are wrong on this. He was convicted of the underlying charge of domestic violence. He was
let go after his lawyer appealed while he paid off the GF. I'm sorry, in this case the legal system failed.

Ok.... I understand all of that may or may not have happened.

The court decided not guilty.


So you want the NFL to rule for a punishment? They have clearly shown that they don't know what the heck they are doing with regards to suspending players.

 

[Kaiser]

But the NFL does have to work with a union and they have a colletive bargaining agreement they have to adhere to.

And (in California at least) the "At Will" language is written into the employment contract or at a minimum, acknowledged in writing by the employee at the time they are hired .

 

[LittleD]

But the NFL does have to work with a union and they have a colletive bargaining agreement they have to adhere to.

There are still many clauses put into these contracts that pertain to behavior. Also clauses that pertain
to activities that bring discredit on the team. You could be right that he may indeed get off
with a slap on the wrist, but I would still bench him if I were the Commish.

 

[Idgit]

Not concerned with the media coverage so much as I would be with a player committing a crime. Garrett can't babysit these guys 24 hours a day.

Oh, another incident? Yeah, that'd be an issue if it happened.

He'd be an idiot to not keep his nose clean for a season, but there's no guarantee that he's not an idiot. See: McClain, Rolando.

Still, I'd rather have him and deal with that risk than not have him and know we can't get to the QB again.

 

[speedkilz88]

There are still many clauses put into these contracts that pertain to behavior. Also clauses that pertain
to activities that bring discredit on the team. You could be right that he may indeed get off
with a slap on the wrist, but I would still bench him if I were the Commish.

Clauses in the contract are between the team and the player. The commish doesn't have involvement there. Commish has already been slapped around by Judge Doty for stepping beyond what was agreed by the union.