Fisher: Cowboys Leadership Working With Jones On A Unified Anthem

[conner01]

Stupid comment.

Very true
He was a reality show host

 

[TWOK11]

That's such a miniscule piece of this.

Sure, but the overwhelming majority of the cases generating controversy are grossly misrepresented in the media.

 

[Proof]

Because millionaires entirely removed from the plight of the average African-American kneeling during the anthem is going to stop police from shooting black people. That's some airtight logic.

Those getting worked up over the protests need to get over it, but that doesn't make the protests any less nonsensical.

Is anyone listening to the average African American? No. Everyone needs a voice and a champion. Millionaire celebrities with a massive spotlight and following are exactly the people who can and should affect change. There aren’t any causes political or otherwise I’m the world the don’t benefit ten fold by advocates not personally affected

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

this is the fan zone.

This is the drama zone, btw.

 

[Ghost12]

Lol listen to yourself dude. You’re arguing about people being killed. Even in a hypothetical your email arguing on behalf of lethal force. At what point does human decency kick in and for just a second you see things from the perspective of someone else. Especially when the stakes are what they are. People are DYING. Humsn brings, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters and you want to argue the semantics of “unarmed doesn’t mean lethal force is not justifiable”. Sickening

When you say "unarmed" you are trying to paint a false picture of "hands up don't shoot." But when someone like Michael Brown is pummeling an officer in his own police car, I have no problem with lethal force being used in defense of that officer's life.

Enjoy the luxury of being on the sidelines with your safe computer while other men and women put their lives on the line to defend your safety.

 

[TNCowboy]

LOL! Thanks for joining us on CZ, Mr. President!

Pssst... your 2nd sentence contradicts your 1st sentence.

I would explain to you what contradict means, but you have google. Surely you can handle that. But for the record, he condemned all of them. The social justice warriors wanted him only to condemn the racists, as though one form of hatred is acceptable and another is not.

 

[TWOK11]

Do you suggest they protest underground?

"Black people, you can protest wherever you want as long as it's underground and not loud and it doesn't make us sad or uncomfortable"

If I'm a snowflake, Trump followers are yellow snow.

They can do whatever they want in protest within the confines of the law, that's the beauty of America. Nothing they can do within those confines should make anyone with any degree of self-esteem and maturity uncomfortable. If kneeling during the anthem makes someone uncomfortable or upset, they need more important things in their lives to worry about.

That doesn't mean I have to go along with it without acknowledging the stupidity of it all. The manner in which they are protesting is illogical and meaningless.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

I'm going to stop with this discussion. This is a great board, thanks for the discussion.

@Trouty likes this.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Racial inequality and police brutality. Whether you think it's unfounded or not, those are noble things to protest peacefully for. The players' hearts are in the right place.

Therein lies the problem. They're protesting something that is unfounded and it's now more likely to reach the other end of the spectrum. And it's making a harmful accusation that is based on nothing.

The vast majority of people that are against the anthem protests are also against racial inequality and police brutality. But they know that exists on a small level if at any level at all.

On the other hand, those that blindly support these protests want us to believe that Mike Brown was unjustly murdered despite evidence to the contrary. We have posters here that have stated that because you resist arrest your life shouldn't be in danger as well as posters here complaining that law enforcement has different rights than everyday citizens do.

Every claim of 'racial inequality' has been completely invalid as most of them are with regards to institutional racism that occurred over 40 years ago. Thus by these bogus protests we are seeing people that are now wanting to institute things against white people that violate our rights and are unequal based on the color of a person's skin. Much like the chapter president of a BLM group that claimed that white people should put black people in their will and give up their houses if they don't have a family or those that cry foul over 'cultural appropriation' and 'micro aggressions.'

Or the fact that it was perceived as 'okay' to condemn the White Nationalists for marching with torches in Charlottesville in their protest against the government for tearing down the Lee statue...but, it's not okay to show the same criticism to the NFL and its players for protesting the country.

Both groups have done the same thing...they have disrespected the country and I have no problem vigorously criticizing them for doing so.





YR

 

[TWOK11]

Is anyone listening to the average African American? No. Everyone needs a voice and a champion. Millionaire celebrities with a massive spotlight and following are exactly the people who can and should affect change. There aren’t any causes political or otherwise I’m the world the don’t benefit ten fold by advocates not personally affected

But again, there's no correlation between the protest and the cause. There is no scenario in which laws or law enforcement policies change because Von Miller kneeled during the national anthem before a football game.

All this is doing is harming the NFL brand, lowering TV ratings and ultimately if sustained will decrease future player salaries when TV revenue declines. Those who agree with the protests already agreed with the cause, but many of those who disagree or previously didn't care now have a cause to dig in and defy what they perceive as anti-American sentiment. And ultimately the latter group is much larger, holds more political power and this will do nothing but hurt the cause further because of that.

Nearly 70% of Americans object to the protests. Should thy care so much? Not in my opinion they shouldn't, but they do. And the vocal minority is going to be crushed by the majority of push com e to shove.

 

[Nav22]

I would explain to you what contradict means, but you have google. Surely you can handle that. But for the record, he condemned all of them. The social justice warriors wanted him only to condemn the racists, as though one form of hatred is acceptable and another is not.

If you don't see how Neo-***** were more in the wrong than those opposing the Neo-*****, then I can't help you. We must have grown up VERY differently.

We can agree on this: go Cowboys!

 

[Khartun]

This is the drama zone, btw.

It wasn't when you posted that. It was moved.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Therein lies the problem. They're protesting something that is unfounded and it's now more likely to reach the other end of the spectrum. And it's making a harmful accusation that is based on nothing.

The vast majority of people that are against the anthem protests are also against racial inequality and police brutality. But they know that exists on a small level if at any level at all.

On the other hand, those that blindly support these protests want us to believe that Mike Brown was unjustly murdered despite evidence to the contrary. We have posters here that have stated that because you resist arrest your life shouldn't be in danger as well as posters here complaining that law enforcement has different rights than everyday citizens do.

Every claim of 'racial inequality' has been completely invalid as most of them are with regards to institutional racism that occurred over 40 years ago. Thus by these bogus protests we are seeing people that are now wanting to institute things against white people that violate our rights and are unequal based on the color of a person's skin. Much like the chapter president of a BLM group that claimed that white people should put black people in their will and give up their houses if they don't have a family or those that cry foul over 'cultural appropriation' and 'micro aggressions.'

Or the fact that it was perceived as 'okay' to condemn the White Nationalists for marching with torches in Charlottesville in their protest against the government for tearing down the Lee statue...but, it's not okay to show the same criticism to the NFL and its players for protesting the country.

Both groups have done the same thing...they have disrespected the country and I have no problem vigorously criticizing them for doing so.





YR

For all your parsing of your cherry picked cases, it is not unfounded.

The moral equivalency of Kessler, Duke, and the Charlottesville protest organizers where someone died to NFL players taking a knee during a song is adorable.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But again, there's no correlation between the protest and the cause. There is no scenario in which laws or law enforcement policies change because Von Miller kneeled during the national anthem before a football game.

All this is doing is harming the NFL brand, lowering TV ratings and ultimately if sustained will decrease future player salaries when TV revenue declines. Those who agree with the protests already agreed with the cause, but many of those who disagree or previously didn't care now have a cause to dig in and defy what they perceive as anti-American sentiment. And ultimately the latter group is much larger, holds more political power and this will do nothing but hurt the cause further because of that.

Nearly 70% of Americans object to the protests. Should thy care so much? Not in my opinion they shouldn't, but they do. And the vocal minority is going to be crushed by the majority of push com e to shove.

No scenario? Do lawmakers not pay attention to media reports and social media now? What did I miss.

You sure do like to handwave at your preferred outcome of this hurting the NFL. We'll see in the next 24 hours but the Cowboys are a huge draw and its looking like this weeks numbers are up.

And as for the protests being unpopular you are missing out on the context of history. Here is 538 on the subject.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...now-but-that-doesnt-mean-theyll-end-that-way/

We don’t have any polling specifically about Trump’s recent NFL comments, but a Quinnipiac University poll from 2016 found that only 38 percent of those surveyed approved of players choosing not to stand during the anthem. But while these NFL protests may be unpopular right now, particularly with white people,The Quinnipiac poll found that just 30 percent of white respondents approved of the anthem protests, compared to a clear majority of black respondents (74 percent).

" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-rendering: optimizeLegibility; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 143, 213); position: relative;">1 similar protests in the past — involving race, civil rights and varying definitions of patriotism — came to be viewed much more positively after the fact.

Marches for civil rights during the 1960s were generally seen negatively at the time. As the Washington Post noted last year, most Americans didn’t approve of the Freedom Riders, the March on Washington in 1963 or other similar protests. In fact, many Americans thought that these protests would hurt the advancement of civil rights. In addition, but many Americans held mixed-to-negative views of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. In a 1966 Gallup survey, 63 percent of Americans gave King a negative score on a scale from -5 to +5. Now, the civil rights marches are viewed as major successes, and just 4 percent of Americans rated King negatively on that same scale in a 2011 Gallup poll.

Many Americans also viewed gay rights marchers during the AIDS epidemic negatively. According to Business Insider, the March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation in April 1993 drew more than 800,000 people fighting against discrimination and seeking more funding for AIDS research. But in a Newsweek survey conducted at the time, only 23 percent of Americans thought that the demonstration did more good than harm in the fight for gay rights. Today, gay rights organizations celebrate the march, same-sex marriage is legal and much of the platform demanded by protesters seems mainstream.

 

[Nav22]

Therein lies the problem. They're protesting something that is unfounded and it's now more likely to reach the other end of the spectrum. And it's making a harmful accusation that is based on nothing.

The vast majority of people that are against the anthem protests are also against racial inequality and police brutality. But they know that exists on a small level if at any level at all.

On the other hand, those that blindly support these protests want us to believe that Mike Brown was unjustly murdered despite evidence to the contrary. We have posters here that have stated that because you resist arrest your life shouldn't be in danger as well as posters here complaining that law enforcement has different rights than everyday citizens do.

Every claim of 'racial inequality' has been completely invalid as most of them are with regards to institutional racism that occurred over 40 years ago. Thus by these bogus protests we are seeing people that are now wanting to institute things against white people that violate our rights and are unequal based on the color of a person's skin. Much like the chapter president of a BLM group that claimed that white people should put black people in their will and give up their houses if they don't have a family or those that cry foul over 'cultural appropriation' and 'micro aggressions.'

Or the fact that it was perceived as 'okay' to condemn the White Nationalists for marching with torches in Charlottesville in their protest against the government for tearing down the Lee statue...but, it's not okay to show the same criticism to the NFL and its players for protesting the country.

Both groups have done the same thing...they have disrespected the country and I have no problem vigorously criticizing them for doing so.





YR

LOL "if any level at all"???? Wow.

Yeah, racism in this country is just about dead. No such thing as racial profiling from police officers, and nobody ever gets harassed or beaten by cops for being black.

The epitome of white privilege.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

LOL "if any level at all"???? Wow.

Yeah, racism in this country is just about dead. No such thing as racial profiling from police officers, and nobody ever gets harassed or beaten by cops for being black.

The epitome of white privilege.

Yup. African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed violently by police.

 

[TWOK11]

No scenario? Do lawmakers not pay attention to media reports and social media now? What did I miss.

You sure do like to handwave at your preferred outcome of this hurting the NFL. We'll see in the next 24 hours but the Cowboys are a huge draw and its looking like this weeks numbers are up.

And as for the protests being unpopular you are missing out on the context of history. Here is 538 on the subject.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...now-but-that-doesnt-mean-theyll-end-that-way/

I have no preferred outcome. It would be great if these protests improved relations between police and minorities, I just know it won't.

Legislation regarding law enforcement will not change because players kneel during the anthem, especially considering the majority of the current lawmakers disagree with the action. Screaming like petulant children about the unfairness of it all won't change that reality.

 

[TWOK11]

Yup. African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed violently by police.

Given that AA also commit violent crimes at a multiplier much higher than that, your statistic is effectively meaningless. Statistically, AA who commit crimes are killed at a LOWER RATE than whites who commit crimes.

Relatively speaking, among criminals you're less likely to be killed as a black man than a white man. Only as a percentage of the total population of both groups are blacks killed at a higher rate, simply because there are far fewer blacks than whites and a much larger percent commit crimes.

That fact doesn't help the truly innocent black men who are killed, but facts are cold and heartless.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have no preferred outcome. It would be great if these protests improved relations between police and minorities, I just know it won't.

Legislation regarding law enforcement will not change because players kneel during the anthem, especially considering the majority of the current lawmakers disagree with the action. Screaming like petulant children about the unfairness of it all won't change that reality.

Know huh? You have no idea how the plurality views this. And as I pointed out to you the protests in the 1960s and 2000s started off umpopular and change was enacted.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Given that AA also commit violent crimes at a multiplier much higher than that, your statistic is effectively meaningless. Statistically, AA who commit crimes are killed at a LOWER RATE than whites who commit crimes.

Relatively speaking, among criminals you're less likely to be killed as a black man than a white man. Only as a percentage of the total population of both groups are blacks killed at a higher rate, simply because there are far fewer blacks than whites and a much larger percent commit crimes.

That fact doesn't help the truly innocent black men who are killed, but facts are cold and heartless.

care to prove that whopper? facts are verifiable. all you have here is an assertion without basis.