Fisher: Floyd Was #7 on Cowboys Board

[JoaquinFenix]

If I'm Ciscowski, and I've spent an entire year preparing a draft board, and my #7-graded player miraculously falls in my lap at #18, and my idiot GM trades down, losing value in the process to a team with more picks than you can shake a stick at, and selects a player in the 1st round that I've got graded (and who expected to be taken) in the 2nd round, then I tender my resignation today.

 

[hra8700]

Theres no way floyd was rated 7...

Every team passed and then kept passing. Most teams must have had him in the 20s. There are quotes on bon mcginns site calling him a media creation...guess they were true.

"Those idiots on TV made Floyd," a scout told McGinn during his annual draft preview series, citing Floyd's short arms as one reason he's not impressed. "He's not that good. He's not better than Ziggy Hood. Floyd's not a real bulky guy but he can run."

 

[QT]

From the look of his face in the war room when we traded down, yes, Floyd seemed to be up there in his charts. Floyd was #2 in Broaddus' chart.

 

[Hoofbite]

Theres no way floyd was rated 7...

Every team passed and then kept passing. Most teams must have had him in the 20s. There are quotes on bon strums site calling him a media creation...guess they were true.

During the whole process last night I caught a small blurb on the audio.

I'm pretty positive they said he was the highest rated player available when Dallas was on the clock at #18.

I don't think it's a stretch that he was #7.

 

[TheCoolFan]

But he wasn't enough of a "fast-twitch athlete" according to Jerry

 

[TheSport78]

I don't care what Jerry or Stephen say, they went against their board last night. Terrible decision.

 

[DFWJC]

Theres no way floyd was rated 7...

Every team passed and then kept passing. Most teams must have had him in the 20s. There are quotes on bon mcginns site calling him a media creation...guess they were true.

"Those idiots on TV made Floyd," a scout told McGinn during his annual draft preview series, citing Floyd's short arms as one reason he's not impressed. "He's not that good. He's not better than Ziggy Hood. Floyd's not a real bulky guy but he can run."

Every team did not pass.
Only a few had DT as big need before he was taken at 22.

• Oakland opted to pass, so they could get picks and their favorite CB. That's Oakland.
• I'm not sure why the Jets passed on him. I thought for sure they would take Star there anyway.
• Next up was Dallas. passed
• next up was Minny, and they took him.

Clearly some teams had some questions, but he went at 22 and most of the teams that passed on him had much more pressing needs.
I also heard we had him in ur top 7, but I also heard it was "only" top 15.

You can see the reaction of Garrett ...he was not just disappointed, he was flat out mad.

Water under the bridge at this point.
Maybe Frederick will be a multi-time Pro Bowler and put all this to rest.

 

[weaver21]

Floyd doesn't fit the Cowboys defensive scheme. Kiffin wants lineman that can rush the passer and judging by his play and numbers, Floyd doesn't do that. He's a great run stopper and if we were still in the 3-4, he would've been a great pick for us. However, Floyd doesn't rush the passer well and Cowboys need DTs that can rush the passer. Hell, even the Jets and Panthers, who need defensive line help, passed on him.

 

[DFWJC]

Floyd doesn't fit the Cowboys defensive scheme. Kiffin wants lineman that can rush the passer and judging by his play and numbers, Floyd doesn't do that. He's a great run stopper and if we were still in the 3-4, he would've been a great pick for us. However, Floyd doesn't rush the passer well and Cowboys need DTs that can rush the passer. Hell, even the Jets and Panthers, who need defensive line help, passed on him.

So why not Sly Williams in the 20s and Frederick or Schwenke later?
Williams seemed like a great fit.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Floyd doesn't fit the Cowboys defensive scheme. Kiffin wants lineman that can rush the passer and judging by his play and numbers, Floyd doesn't do that. He's a great run stopper and if we were still in the 3-4, he would've been a great pick for us. However, Floyd doesn't rush the passer well and Cowboys need DTs that can rush the passer. Hell, even the Jets and Panthers, who need defensive line help, passed on him.

keep on buying Jerry's line of crap..... Floyd fits the scheme perfectly. He played in a 4-3 in college.

If you listened to the draft on the radio, after every pick Cisckowski gave a little blurp about every player selected, and he said about Floyd, that he was the second or third rated player on their board. Garrett and Ciskowski were visibly upset by the trade.

 

[weaver21]

So why not Sly Williams in the 20s and Frederick or Schwenke later?
Williams seemed like a great fit.

I believe the Cowboys thought Frederick wouldn't last until 47. There were rumors Baltimore were thinking of selecting him. I'm pretty sure the Cowboys would've selected Williams if he would've fallen to 31, but he didn't and Frederick was the best player on their board. Sure, it's likely he would've fallen to 47, but we don't know that for certain and the Cowboys surely felt like he wouldn't so they took him there.

I'm not disputing the fact that the pick was a reach because it was, but I'm basing this on what the Cowboys were thinking. I would've loved Williams instead of Frederick, but he didn't fall to them and like I explained before, Dallas felt that Frederick wouldn't last to 47 (most likely because of Baltimore possibility picking him) so they took him at 31.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

But he wasn't enough of a "fast-twitch athlete" according to Jerry

I think his nipple to knee ratio was not quite to Jerry's standards either. :laugh2:

 

[weaver21]

keep on buying Jerry's line of crap..... Floyd fits the scheme perfectly. He played in a 4-3 in college.

If you listened to the draft on the radio, after every pick Cisckowski gave a little blurp about every player selected, and he said about Floyd, that he was the second or third rated player on their board. Garrett and Ciskowski were visibly upset by the trade.

I'm not basing this on Jerry. I've watched film of him and the guy is a fantastic run stopper, but he is not consistent at rushing the passer. The guy had freakin 4.5 sacks his entire career and you're telling him he can consistently rush the passer? That's in a 4-3 too, like you said, which is easier to record sacks than a 3-4. Richardson had 18.5 sacks in his career, even Star had 7.0 sacks as a nose tackle. Floyd does fit the 4-3, but he doesn't fit in a Tampa 2 defense where the defensive tackles need to be able to rush the passer.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I believe the Cowboys thought Frederick wouldn't last until 47. There were rumors Baltimore were thinking of selecting him. I'm pretty sure the Cowboys would've selected Williams if he would've fallen to 31, but he didn't and Frederick was the best player on their board. Sure, it's likely he would've fallen to 47, but we don't know that for certain and the Cowboys surely felt like he wouldn't so they took him there.

I'm not disputing the fact that the pick was a reach because it was, but I'm basing this on what the Cowboys were thinking. I would've loved Williams instead of Frederick, but he didn't fall to them and like I explained before, Dallas felt that Frederick wouldn't last to 47 (most likely because of Baltimore possibility picking him) so they took him at 31.

that's bull, the Ravens drafted a center last year. Furthermore, if Fredrich wasn't there at 47, you move on. You don't select a player a half a round early because you think he won't be there on you next selection.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

If I'm Ciscowski, and I've spent an entire year preparing a draft board, and my #7-graded player miraculously falls in my lap at #18, and my idiot GM trades down, losing value in the process to a team with more picks than you can shake a stick at, and selects a player in the 1st round that I've got graded (and who expected to be taken) in the 2nd round, then I tender my resignation today.

According to JJT earlier this week, Garrett has final say so shouldn't your wrath be focussed on him?

 

[Nexx]

that's bull, the Ravens drafted a center last year. Furthermore, if Fredrich wasn't there at 47, you move on. You don't select a player a half a round early because you think he won't be there on you next selection.

tell everyone else who reached inteh first round for a lineman. did you except long and pugh to go that high?

 

[cowboysooner]

Floyd is an elite player with short arms. The risk is that he won't be able to get off of blocks because of Costa arms.

I wish we would have stuck to the board and took the risk. I think Jerry was listening to his big time assistant coaches like Callahan, Marinelli and Kiffen and less to his scouts.

 

[Chuck 54]

I would hope teams rate players only in relation to their desire to have him, but I wonder if sometimes they rate players more generally at the top of round 1, like ranking a QB #5 doesn't mean you have any intention of drafting him when he's there for you at #10.

Some of the ratings also affect your mock drafts. Maybe part of our disappointment was that Floyd didn't go before Richardson and that Geno Smith wasn't taken by someone before us, and that only a couple of teams really reached down our board ahead of us when we needed more in order for someone we targeted to drop to us.

I'm probably wrong, but I assume we have players rated above our pick every year that we don't really have much interest in and hope someone takes them.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I'm not basing this on Jerry. I've watched film of him and the guy is a fantastic run stopper, but he is not consistent at rushing the passer. The guy had freakin 4.5 sacks his entire career and you're telling him he can consistently rush the passer? That's in a 4-3 too, like you said, which is easier to record sacks than a 3-4. Richardson had 18.5 sacks in his career, even Star had 7.0 sacks as a nose tackle. Floyd does fit the 4-3, but he doesn't fit in a Tampa 2 defense where the defensive tackles need to be able to rush the passer.

4.5 sacks is not bad for a DT not named Sapp. When he wasn't getting sacks, his team mates were. His team had 9 players with at least 2 sacks. But its not about defending Floyd, its the fact that he was by far highest rated player on the Cowboys board, and they go and do something really stupid just for the sake of doing it.

 

[Fredd]

I am a little surprised (not upset) with taking Frederick (btw, I HAVE to like a guy with "fred" in his name, right?), but I am not upset at all that they didn't take Floyd. someone that falls that much is not worth the pick where the Cowboys had him available - something just didn't smell right (and not like the smell of Pugh for the giants )

Day two will obviously let us know if they have a plan or not as a FO...but, we were/are all clamoring for an improved offensive line, so let's embrace the improvement that Frederick will bring. He is a really smart guy to go along with his strengths. You need a guy at center that runs the show and helps to read the defenses. This guy can do that.