Fisher: Floyd Was #7 on Cowboys Board

[Mr Cowboy]

tell everyone else who reached inteh first round for a lineman. did you except long and pugh to go that high?

who cares about the other teams, maybe they rated those players higher according to their schemes.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I don't care what Jerry or Stephen say, they went against their board last night. Terrible decision.

completely agree, for all their endless talk about sticking to their board, they clearly didn't!!

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I am a little surprised (not upset) with taking Frederick (btw, I HAVE to like a guy with "fred" in his name, right?), but I am not upset at all that they didn't take Floyd. someone that falls that much is not worth the pick where the Cowboys had him available - something just didn't smell right (and not like the smell of Pugh for the giants )

Day two will obviously let us know if they have a plan or not as a FO...but, we were/are all clamoring for an improved offensive line, so let's embrace the improvement that Frederick will bring. He is a really smart guy to go along with his strengths. You need a guy at center that runs the show and helps to read the defenses. This guy can do that.

Dez, Randy Moss and Aaron Rogers say hi! They weren't worth taking after taking that big fall!

 

[Eddie]

who cares about the other teams, maybe they rated those players higher according to their schemes.

You beat me to it.

Who cares what other teams do?

I only care what the Cowboys do ... and it ain't pretty right now.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Dez, Randy Moss and Aaron Rogers say hi! They weren't worth taking after taking that big fall!

may I include Steven Jackson, another moronic move..

 

[jgboys1]

But he wasn't enough of a "fast-twitch athlete" according to Jerry

The only twitch around here, is the one in Jerry's brain.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I'm not basing this on Jerry. I've watched film of him and the guy is a fantastic run stopper, but he is not consistent at rushing the passer. The guy had freakin 4.5 sacks his entire career and you're telling him he can consistently rush the passer? That's in a 4-3 too, like you said, which is easier to record sacks than a 3-4. Richardson had 18.5 sacks in his career, even Star had 7.0 sacks as a nose tackle. Floyd does fit the 4-3, but he doesn't fit in a Tampa 2 defense where the defensive tackles need to be able to rush the passer.

I think this was Dallas thinking as well.

 

[JoaquinFenix]

According to JJT earlier this week, Garrett has final say so shouldn't your wrath be focussed on him?

The film don't lie.

The War Room footage clearly showed that Ciskowski and Garrett were visibly upset when the Cowboys passed on Floyd and traded down. In fact, Stephen had to explain to Garrett why they were doing what they were doing before Stephen followed Jerry out the door.

Jerry tells reporters like JJT that Garrett's in control to take the heat off himself and credibly lay blame on coaches when there's failure. But, like I said, the film don't lie.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

The film don't lie.

The War Room footage clearly showed that Ciskowski and Garrett were visibly upset when the Cowboys passed on Floyd and traded down. In fact, Stephen had to explain to Garrett why they were doing what they were doing before Stephen followed Jerry out the door.

Jerry tells reporters like JJT that Garrett's in control to take the heat off himself and credibly lay blame on coaches when there's failure. But, like I said, the film don't lie.

I knew the reaction from some would be thus. For some, it will always be Jerry's fault even if someone else makes the pick.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

keep on buying Jerry's line of crap..... Floyd fits the scheme perfectly. He played in a 4-3 in college.

Well, that doesn't mean anything. There are different 4-3 schemes and philosophies. Looking at Kiffin's schemes and players, he really doesn't go after gap eaters at the DT spot.

If you listened to the draft on the radio, after every pick Cisckowski gave a little blurp about every player selected, and he said about Floyd, that he was the second or third rated player on their board. Garrett and Ciskowski were visibly upset by the trade.

Frederick was a Garrett move. Easy to see that.






YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

may I include Steven Jackson, another moronic move..

It was. But that was Parcells as Parcells didn't like Jackson's shoulder injury issues.

The problem we had there was not so much passing up on Jackson as we took Julius who could not play to the same level once he bulked up.





YR

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Frederick was a Garrett move. Easy to see that.YR

He probably was, at 31. But at 18, it was clear he and Ciskowski, they wanted to stay put, not make that trade.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Well, that doesn't mean anything. There are different 4-3 schemes and philosophies. Looking at Kiffin's schemes and players, he really doesn't go after gap eaters at the DT spot.



Frederick was a Garrett move. Easy to see that.





YR

I agree with you but the OP said it was Jones and not Garrett. Which is it?

 

[InmanRoshi]

He probably was, at 31. But at 18, it was clear he and Ciskowski, they wanted to stay put, not make that trade.

Jerry: Sorry, Jason. Stephen and I had had a few cocktails at the Bush Library Party, and got a little carried away. Probably shouldn't have traded down with the #7 player on the board, particularly getting fleeced in the trade down. We had to step outside for 45 minutes to take a nap and sober up. So, now that we're sitting on the clock at #31, who do you like? Heck, I don't even know who's still on the board.

Jason: Ughh ...... *flipping through papers* .... the center from Wisconsin?

Jerry: Anything you want, little buddy. It's your pick.

 

[Beast_from_East]

that's bull, the Ravens drafted a center last year. Furthermore, if Fredrich wasn't there at 47, you move on. You don't select a player a half a round early because you think he won't be there on you next selection.

I don't think the Giants and Bears got the memo because both Pough and Long were late 1st, early 2nd round guys on most mocks.


Just saying.

 

[superpunk]

I'm glad we got Frederick rather than Floyd but we obviously did not stick to our board and Garrett is obviously not in charge/control.

It worked out for the best IMO but alot of people look stupid right now.

 

[ManicDepressiveMan]

No doubt in my mind that he was high on our board then we went gutless and chickened out when he started to drop.

Mickey must have been in the war room saying, "if he's so good, why's he dropping?"

They second guessed their board, plain and simple.

 

[Sandyf]

Not sure why everyone is so high on Floyd. Over 20 other teams passed on him and from the blogs in Minnesota, there was a very nice debate on whether they should take him in their warroom.

As to Frederick, it appears from Ozzie in Baltimore that they would have taken Frederick at #32 if Dallas hadn't taken him. He was appartently ranked around the 20 spot on their board.

Value is in the team for any individual player regardless of what we fans think or what the so called experts think.

If Frederick starts the season as the starting center or guard and Romo isn't running for his life to make throws then I really don't care how good Floyd does or does not turn out to be. If Frederick is as good at anchoring the line and opening holes for the RB, does it really matter what the guys we didn't take do.

The value is in the eye of the beholder. If our running game gets better especially in the red zone and Romo has more time to throw out of the pocket instead of running around to make a throw then the value is far greater than anyone else we would have drafted at that spot.

If the snaps get to Romo quicker and not on the ground or over his head, then the value is much greater. Whether Frederick is ranked 1 or 99, it is the value to our team that counts not some experts value.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Yes it will be nice to have the center especially considering he could have/would have been gone by the 47th choice.

However, saner minds should have prevailed, when you get a chance at Sly Williams or better yet a top 10 prospect that slid you snag em'....even Datone Jones @18 would have been a better choice.

Pick #74 will have to save a decent evaluation of this trade.

 

[dfense]

completely agree, for all their endless talk about sticking to their board, they clearly didn't!!

And you saw their board?