Fisher: Floyd Was #7 on Cowboys Board

[Galian Beast]

We have a lot of fans that lack critical thinking skills.

Notes:
31st rushing offense in the league last year.
We didn't have money to spend on premier offensive linemen in free agency.

We had to address offensive line.
We didn't want to trade up, especially for an offensive linemen.

There was a run on offensive linemen, and we don't pick again until 47th....

Two scenarios

1. We draft someone at 18 lets say floyd or reid.
2. All the top rated linemen are gone by 47.

How did we address this 31st ranked rushing game?

Scenario 2
Same thing but we're at 31. And draft someone instead of Frederick.

Is he there at 47?

Do you try to trade up from 47 and lose picks when you started the draft with 6?

I want to hear people's conclusions here.

 

[bsheeern]

I had him as a 5th as well......

Slowest 40 time @ the combine in 20years

I could forgive the 40 time if he was strong.....But his bench press was only 21 reps. Which is below average

this may be the biggest reach in the Jones' era....

Ranks right up there with Shante Carver

Guards and centers don't run 40 yard dashes in real life. Who cares. Are you 10? 5-10 yards cone drills are linemans best speed drills.

 

[arglebargle]

20 Yard Shuttle-
Travis Frederick 4.76
Jonathan Cooper 4.84
Menelik Watson 5.01
Larry Warford 5.10


3 Cone Drill-
Jonathan Cooper 7.78
Travis Frederick 7.81
Kyle Long 7.83
Menelik Watson 8.31

You are interrupting some good hangover rants here, ya bastid!

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well I'm not concerned as much over Floyd not being picked as some here seem to be as I wasn't in love with drafting a DL early who was probably going to ride the pine.....this team has shown in the past that it can find DL later in the draft who can contribute to the team.

There is something to be said for leveraging your strengths and waiting on a DL is probably the one thing that we have actually done successfully in the draft lately, and I have no problem with them doing it in this case.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Source?

What accurate draft prediction has he made? I cannot find one.

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/mike-fisher

None there.

Then there is this

The Cowboys have first-round grades on four defensive tackles: Sharrif Floyd of Florida , Star Lotulelei of Utah, Sheldon Richardson of Missouri and Sylvester Williams of North Carolina. Floyd will go early today. A couple of national mock drafts project Lotulelei slipping to Dallas at 18, which seems unlikely. (But if he’s there, consider that card turned in!) Richardson and Williams are both worthy selections.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/04/25/cowboys-focus-on-dts-whats-your-explosiveness-index/

 

[supercowboy8]

From the look of his face in the war room when we traded down, yes, Floyd seemed to be up there in his charts. Floyd was #2 in Broaddus' chart.

Thats why Broaddus is out of a job

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thats why Broaddus is out of a job

Broaddus said that he was a one gap penetrating player. I have no idea where he got that from. Other than that all I hear are a lot of excuses for his lack of production.

I thought people were crazy for ranking him ahead of the other two sure 1st rounders.

 

[Beast_from_East]

4 sacks in 4 years no thanks don't want another Marcus spears .

Yea, folks are acting like we just passed on Bruce Smith.


Seriously, this board is tripping.

 

[TheSport78]

What accurate draft prediction has he made? I cannot find one.

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/mike-fisher

None there.

Then there is this



http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/04/25/cowboys-focus-on-dts-whats-your-explosiveness-index/

So because a reporter doesn't bat 100%, he's considered inaccurate?

Within the Dallas media, Fisher is considered very reliable and I'll go with his reporting.

 

[Beast_from_East]

completely agree, for all their endless talk about sticking to their board, they clearly didn't!!

Using this logic, a team would never trade down because there are always going to be higher rated players on your board. For example........


If I am at pick 20 and I have 3 guys left on my board with first round grades, but the Ravens call and offer me their 2nd rounder to drop to pick 32, should I do it?

Clearly I will not be following my board because the 3 guys left with first round grades will all be gone, so I am not following my board. However, I have to judge if the extra player I am getting in the 2nd is worth losing out on the 3 players left on my board.


That is what you are not understanding. You have to compare the compensation you are getting to see if it is worth moving down. Clearly you are going to get a lessor player on your board than if you stayed put, so in a sense you are abandoning your board based on if the compensation is worth it.

So to argu you never go against your board is just ridiculous, ofcourse you go against your board is the compensation in trading down is worth it. Now you can debate if they got enough compensation to make it worth it, but that requires waiting to see who gets drafted with the extra pick.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So because a reporter doesn't bat 100%, he's considered inaccurate?

Within the Dallas media, Fisher is considered very reliable and I'll go with his reporting.

I am not saying that. I like Fisher too and think he is a straight shooter compared to his contempraries. What I am saying is that people have 'talked to Cowboys sources' for the last week and none of them seem to have any clue.

When they make claims about the order of the Cowboys board I just roll my eyes. I think that its just as likely that they are being fed incorrect information like they have done in the past(Mosely) as them showing their hand even after the fact.

 

[Fansince64]

OH MY GOD, FIVE TEAMS HAVE HIM RANKED OUT OF THE 1ST 3 ROUNDS SO HE MUST BE TERRIBLE!

This board is so pathetic, it's not even funny. It's like people actually try to find ways to be miserable about this team. Why even root for the damn team if you're just gonna look for negative things every day?

Man, you have hit the nail right on the head!!! We should be all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows everywhere no matter what our inept front office does. And then we'll all get together and sing Kumbaya after we miss the playoffs for the 4th year in a row.

And as for why I root for the team, I have been a fan much, much longer than Jerry has been the owner (good, overall) and general manager (very, very bad) and I refuse to just sweep the horrible front office decisions under the rug with "well Jerry is the owner and you should either accept and praise his decisions or root for another team". Sorry, I won't do that - I can remember (unlike a lot of younger posters on this board) when this was a model franchise that most other teams aspired to be like, not the laughing-stock it is after 19 years (since March 29, 1994) of this clown running it into the ground. I will continue to root for the team as I have since 1964 and just hope I somehow outlive Jerry and see the team return to respectability. Who knows, maybe every 3-5 years they might even overcome Jerry's incompetence and sneak into the playoffs when "the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars".


Monte Sliger

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

I had him as a 5th as well......

Slowest 40 time @ the combine in 20years

I could forgive the 40 time if he was strong.....But his bench press was only 21 reps. Which is below average

this may be the biggest reach in the Jones' era....

Ranks right up there with Shante Carver

Yeah, he's real WEAK...

http://boards.dallascowboys.com/topic/14774-travis-frederick-10-strongest-college-football-players/



[FONT=verdana, geneva, sans-serif]"OL, Wisconsin Badgers[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, geneva, sans-serif]6’4, 338 lbs.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, geneva, sans-serif]Sophomore[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, geneva, sans-serif]Frederick became the first offensive lineman in Badgers history to start as a true freshman in 2009 when he played center against Northern Illinois. Besides his solid all-around play, he earned that start because no one on the field, let alone the nation, has a stronger lower body than Frederick. Frederick broke Chris Pressley’s school record by posting a 770-pound squat. In addition, Fredrick’s upper body is almost as equally strong; he can bench around 500 pounds. After redshirting after his freshman year in 2010, Frederick looks to get back right where he started for the 2011 campaign."[/FONT]

http://www.musclepro...-arcl-1753.html






Wheres everybody been? Buncha Johnny come latelys!...LOL I posted a thread in here about Frederick over six months ago. By now FLOATY I would have thought that you would have known he was anything but weak.

 

[Beast_from_East]

@Edwerderespn 44m
Based on my random survey of five teams, here is where Cowboys No. 1 Travis Frederick was on draft boards: 4th (1), 5th (2), 6 (1), 6-7 (1)

Bill Pollian, who built teams for a living, said Frederick was the best in-line blocker he had seen in years.

Prisco had him going number 24 to the Colts in his mock.


But they are idiots, lets go with Werder's random sample. Remind me again, how many teams has good ole Ed built?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Man, you have hit the nail right on the head!!! We should be all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows everywhere no matter what our inept front office does. And then we'll all get together and sing Kumbaya after we miss the playoffs for the 4th year in a row.

And as for why I root for the team, I have been a fan much, much longer than Jerry has been the owner (good, overall) and general manager (very, very bad) and I refuse to just sweep the horrible front office decisions under the rug with "well Jerry is the owner and you should either accept and praise his decisions or root for another team". Sorry, I won't do that - I can remember (unlike a lot of younger posters on this board) when this was a model franchise that most other teams aspired to be like, not the laughing-stock it is after 19 years (since March 29, 1994) of this clown running it into the ground. I will continue to root for the team as I have since 1964 and just hope I somehow outlive Jerry and see the team return to respectability. Who knows, maybe every 3-5 years they might even overcome Jerry's incompetence and sneak into the playoffs when "the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars".


Monte Sliger

That is a good summation of the media narrative.

 

[QT]

Broaddus said that he was a one gap penetrating player. I have no idea where he got that from. Other than that all I hear are a lot of excuses for his lack of production.

I thought people were crazy for ranking him ahead of the other two sure 1st rounders.

Broaddus was on 105.3 during the draft and said that Floyd was rated #2 on his board right after the Cowboys traded the #18 pick.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, he's real WEAK...

http://boards.dallascowboys.com/topic/14774-travis-frederick-10-strongest-college-football-players/



[FONT=verdana, geneva, sans-serif]"OL, Wisconsin Badgers[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, geneva, sans-serif]6’4, 338 lbs.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, geneva, sans-serif]Sophomore[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, geneva, sans-serif]Frederick became the first offensive lineman in Badgers history to start as a true freshman in 2009 when he played center against Northern Illinois. Besides his solid all-around play, he earned that start because no one on the field, let alone the nation, has a stronger lower body than Frederick. Frederick broke Chris Pressley’s school record by posting a 770-pound squat. In addition, Fredrick’s upper body is almost as equally strong; he can bench around 500 pounds. After redshirting after his freshman year in 2010, Frederick looks to get back right where he started for the 2011 campaign."[/FONT]

http://www.musclepro...-arcl-1753.html

He said after the combine that UW trains for max power and not reps. He does low reps high weight. He has squatted over 700 lbs. He basically said NFL teams know those values and that's all he cares about.

03/07/13 - 2013 Wisconsin Pro day: Running a slow 40 doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not that good of an offensive lineman, it just means that you don’t run a good 40...I certainly don’t run a fast 40.” As for the bench press, the UW program does not train for a high number of reps, which has led to poor results for some of its linemen entering the draft. “I think 21 is a respectable number,” Frederick said not doing the bench press. “It may not be where I thought I needed to be. But here at Wisconsin, we don’t do reps, we go out to be as strong as we can on game day. We do a lot of low-rep stuff. I think I’m pretty good at that." The UW program also emphasizes functional strength and was known for doing creative workouts under former strength and conditioning coach Ben Herbert. “Some people believe in it more than others,” Frederick said of the bench press. “I know myself, my one-rep max and my functional strength are much higher.” - Tom Mulhern, Wisconsin State Journal

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Broaddus was on 105.3 during the draft and said that Floyd was rated #2 on his board right after the Cowboys traded the #18 pick.

And he said that Floyd is a one gap player.

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That seem like a 1 gapper to you?

 

[Fansince64]

Guards and centers don't run 40 yard dashes in real life. Who cares. Are you 10? 5-10 yards cone drills are linemans best speed drills.

Neither do they run cone drills on game day. They play football (hopefully). All of these drills simply are indicators (not proof) of whether a player can perform at an NFL level.


Monte Sliger

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

He said after the combine that UW trains for max power and not reps. He does low reps high weight. He has squatted over 700 lbs. He basically said NFL teams know those values and that's all he cares about.

Exactly! 770 to be exact!