Flozell Adams vs. Doug Free

[Eskimo]

A couple of other teams:

NO: 82.2 points per 1000 yards

NYG: 72.1 ppty

PHA: 78.2 ppty

Oak: 49.5 ppty

Wash: 55.4 ppty

 

[Idgit]

I don't know if its Garrett or execution. I'd say both.

Inside the red zone, it's been both. It's about the only valid criticism of Garrett on this board this year. That said, a lot of it's execution which for some reason we like to overlook.

 

[Eskimo]

Inside the red zone, it's been both. It's about the only valid criticism of Garrett on this board this year. That said, a lot of it's execution which for some reason we like to overlook.

Part of execution is getting the players to understand their assignments and make it so that they almost automatically do the right thing. This is 50% coaching and 50% players. Since we have made a point of trying not to bring in knuckleheads for many years (with the exception being 2008), it leads me to believe the issue is coaching.

 

[Idgit]

Part of execution is getting the players to understand their assignments and make it so that they almost automatically do the right thing. This is 50% coaching and 50% players. Since we have made a point of trying not to bring in knuckleheads for many years (with the exception being 2008), it leads me to believe the issue is coaching.

I see the point, but I think you have to put execution 100% on the players once they're on the field. It's an easy excuse to blame the coordinator when the right side of your line gets submarined 4 times in a row from inside the 3. At some point, you have to expect the players to do what they've been coached to do properly. It's not like Hauck forgot how to teach goal-line run blocking this year.

 

[Eskimo]

I see the point, but I think you have to put execution 100% on the players once they're on the field. It's an easy excuse to blame the coordinator when the right side of your line gets submarined 4 times in a row from inside the 3. At some point, you have to expect the players to do what they've been coached to do properly. It's not like Hauck forgot how to teach goal-line run blocking this year.

If the players can't learn then it is up to the coach to put in the players that know their assignments and sit the ones who don't. Then in the offseason, the FO has to get rid of the players who don't learn from the coaching. It is as simple as that.

The players here are far too complacent. If only we had a BP figure in the background in between the HC and the owner who could lay down the law (because Wade cannot do it) we might be much better off right now.

 

[Idgit]

If the players can't learn then it is up to the coach to put in the players that know their assignments and sit the ones who don't. Then in the offseason, the FO has to get rid of the players who don't learn from the coaching. It is as simple as that.

The players here are far too complacent. If only we had a BP figure in the background in between the HC and the owner who could lay down the law (because Wade cannot do it) we might be much better off right now.

It's not usually a situation where the players don't know their assignments (botched handoffs aside), it's that they're getting beat or just not doing their jobs. Like the goal line blocking against SD, or Folk's blown FG against the Saints. Or inopportune hands:face penalties on defense that give fresh sets of downs and are basically turnovers. Or blown pickups in pass protection where the outside man clearly belongs to the LT and doesn't get picked up.

That said, I agree: Wade's too slow to make lineup changes, or to sit players, when mistakes crop up.

 

[Eskimo]

It's not usually a situation where the players don't know their assignments (botched handoffs aside), it's that they're getting beat or just not doing their jobs. Like the goal line blocking against SD, or Folk's blown FG against the Saints. Or inopportune hands:face penalties on defense that give fresh sets of downs and are basically turnovers. Or blown pickups in pass protection where the outside man clearly belongs to the LT and doesn't get picked up.

That said, I agree: Wade's too slow to make lineup changes, or to sit players, when mistakes crop up.

I guess I should have been more precise with my wording. The players have to know and then execute their assignments. If the other team just makes a play because their guy is stronger/faster that is one thing. It is another if the issue is a blown assignment or use of poor technique. This is the part that coaching has to emphasize and eliminate and then in the gameplan hope to minimize. But it has to be clear what is expected and there must be consequences for those who don't have things down cold. It almost seems as though Wade thinks he's coaching a bunch of high schoolers who is trying to mould into solid men with winning being a secondary concern to the players' feelings.

It is in most human's nature's to take an inch when given an inch. Wade will never be successful until he finds the right balance of carrot and whip for each player to make them be accountable and successful. In some team's there are powerful enough internal leaders to do this but that is not the case on this team yet.

 

[theogt]

It wasn't really so much about RoyW as it was about their explosiveness and ability to put points on the board. I initially thought it was their receivers who did it but....

Oh, I'm fully aware that your initial statement was wrong.

And I'm fully aware that you'll continue to move the goal post until you declare yourself correct.

 

[The Curly One]

Flosmell has always been marginal and you people keep making excuses for it. He was new, He was beside Larry Allen, He did not understand what Parcells wanted from him (Seriously Uh maybe block somebody? Just a thought), He was hurt, he was in a contact season, and the excuses go on and on. You are still making excuses for him! The only thing consistant about Flosmell has been poor performance from the word go. He has never made the cut. My favorite excuse was "He did not understand what Parcells wanted from him" Now you got to admit that one was funny!. A linemens job is fairly simple- protect Qb and open holes for RB. Do not hold or get false starts. When do you think Flosmell will figure that out?

 

[Four]

Flosmell has always been marginal and you people keep making excuses for it. He was new, He was beside Larry Allen, He did not understand what Parcells wanted from him (Seriously Uh maybe block somebody? Just a thought), He was hurt, he was in a contact season, and the excuses go on and on. You are still making excuses for him! The only thing consistant about Flosmell has been poor performance from the word go. He has never made the cut. My favorite excuse was "He did not understand what Parcells wanted from him" Now you got to admit that one was funny!. A linemens job is fairly simple- protect Qb and open holes for RB. Do not hold or get false starts. When do you think Flosmell will figure that out?

when do you think you will figure out what the word marginal means?

I love people who talk trash about line play like they have a clue.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The thing is you're flying under the assumption that Free is suited to play LT as well as he is RT. I love Free, but I don't think this is the case. If anything, I'd say Columbo would be a LT candidate.

I disagree. Free has more agility and lateral movement. That is a premium at LT since most speed rushers will rush off that side.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Dont get too attatched to players.

I love MB3, but history would indicate hes got a handful of years left.

I appreciate Spears, but wont cry if hes not re-upped.

Flo should be cut next year. Theres no cap so this is your chance to get out before he falls off the cliff.

Many LT's can do what this Flozell does. Make rushers run around you and hope Romo makes him miss.

Great post...guys like Hurd and Spears are not core guys, nor should the Cowboys overspend just to keep them. Flo is going to hit the wall at thirty-five, don't make the same mistake the Skins made into counting on a bunch of older lineman making it through for an entire season. Free needs to become the starting LT, another drafted to backup and perhaps another signed through FA.

 

[Eskimo]

Oh, I'm fully aware that your initial statement was wrong.

And I'm fully aware that you'll continue to move the goal post until you declare yourself correct.

Did you see our explosive offense just put up a whole 17 points against the Skins> :laugh2: Let's see what SD does next week in a game in which they have nothing to play for I bet they still do better offensively than our average points output against the Skins which is 12 ppg.

Yep, we're just as good as SD.