Flozell Adams vs. Doug Free

[burmafrd]

Where do these people get the fantasy that Gurode can be a good guard? We tried for 3 years and he was mediocre. Are all you guys that want this so new to the Boys that you do not remember that?

 

[jobberone]

I think we can't say with a pretty substantial certainty how well Free will play as a LT and it's better than the Flozell is playing right now.

Fixed that for you.

He's never played a single regular season down as a LT. You can only say that from an opinionated point of view. We know very little what he can do. Preseason gives you a glimpse of potential but you can't hang your hat on that.

Last year Flozell officially gave up 7 sacks which is middle of the road. He was one of the more penalized LTs in the game but most of those are false starts and not holding (or tripping penalties).

If you want to argue he's getting slower I'll give you that. But right now he's the best LT we have. Ask most of the better pass rushers in the league that he totally shuts down. I will complain that he seems to play to the level of competition and is not as dominating as he should be. I see this as a sign of laziness in him. But he's doing his job. Could be better. Could absolutely be a lot worse.

Some of you guys don't know when you have it good.

If you want to argue we should draft a LT in the upcoming draft then I'm right there with you. We won't likely get a blue chipper but we should be able to draft a solid LT for the future and we might just get lucky. Free has the feet to play LT and he might have the technique. But he's not got the strength of a premier LT. I'm looking forward to seeing what he has but he won't get the chance barring injury this year. And there is a perfectly good reason for that.

 

[jobberone]

Yep.

I'd give odds of greater than 50/50 that Adams is either released or retires prior to the '10 season.

He's a long way away from being the player he was under Parcells.

Come on Michael. He's giving up the same amount of sacks as usual over the years. He's a middle of the road LT as far as sacks are concerned. He's better than usual at not holding. He's by far worse than average at getting penalized otherwise which is his worse attribute. And he can be lazy.

His best attribute is the opposite of that. He rises to the occasion when it comes to keeping premier pass rushers off Romo. He routinely shuts some of the best out.

Free may turn out to be better but NOBODY knows that at the present time.

 

[TheSport78]

Fixed that for you.

He's never played a single regular season down as a LT. You can only say that from an opinionated point of view. We know very little what he can do. Preseason gives you a glimpse of potential but you can't hang your hat on that.

Last year Flozell officially gave up 7 sacks which is middle of the road. He was one of the more penalized LTs in the game but most of those are false starts and not holding (or tripping penalties).

If you want to argue he's getting slower I'll give you that. But right now he's the best LT we have. Ask most of the better pass rushers in the league that he totally shuts down. I will complain that he seems to play to the level of competition and is not as dominating as he should be. I see this as a sign of laziness in him. But he's doing his job. Could be better. Could absolutely be a lot worse.

Some of you guys don't know when you have it good.

If you want to argue we should draft a LT in the upcoming draft then I'm right there with you. We won't likely get a blue chipper but we should be able to draft a solid LT for the future and we might just get lucky. Free has the feet to play LT and he might have the technique. But he's not got the strength of a premier LT. I'm looking forward to seeing what he has but he won't get the chance barring injury this year. And there is a perfectly good reason for that.

Strength is always something you can improve and work on. I'm pretty sure if Free gets an opportunity to be the LT next year, he will work his butt off in the weight room to improve on his weaknesses. I agree Flozell is still good, but there comes a point when you just need to move on. 34, 31, 31, 31 and 31. What are those numbers? The ages of our starting offensive line. There comes a point when you just need to get younger at certain positions. Knowing Jerry he won't draft a LT with the first pick. He'll take the best player available once again, and hopefully it's a ILB or S. I'm more concerned about the OG/C position. Flozell has clearly regressed this year and it's easy to see. We just have to move on and get younger.

 

[burmafrd]

Strength is always something you can improve and work on. I'm pretty sure if Free gets an opportunity to be the LT next year, he will work his butt off in the weight room to improve on his weaknesses. I agree Flozell is still good, but there comes a point when you just need to move on. 34, 31, 31, 31 and 31. What are those numbers? The ages of our starting offensive line. There comes a point when you just need to get younger at certain positions. Knowing Jerry he won't draft a LT with the first pick. He'll take the best player available once again, and hopefully it's a ILB or S. I'm more concerned about the OG/C position. Flozell has clearly regressed this year and it's easy to see. We just have to move on and get younger.

Strength is NOT something that can always be improved- unless you want to become muscle bound and lose flexibility and quickness. Free has had THREE YEARS in a TOP WEIGHT program. He is not going to get much stronger if at all. If he is going to improve its by refining his technique.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Come on Michael. He's giving up the same amount of sacks as usual over the years. He's a middle of the road LT as far as sacks are concerned. He's better than usual at not holding. He's by far worse than average at getting penalized otherwise which is his worse attribute. And he can be lazy.

His best attribute is the opposite of that. He rises to the occasion when it comes to keeping premier pass rushers off Romo. He routinely shuts some of the best out.

Free may turn out to be better but NOBODY knows that at the present time.

I agree that Adams isn't bad... He's just kinda average at this point all considered.

It just stands to reason he won't be better next year than he is now. And he probably won't be as good next year as he is now.

What are the chances that he'll decline even more next year given his age?

Pretty good I would say.

Good enough so that something needs to be put into the works between now and the start of next training camp so that a continuing-to-decline Flozell Adams isn't the only option at LT that this team has.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Where do these people get the fantasy that Gurode can be a good guard? We tried for 3 years and he was mediocre. Are all you guys that want this so new to the Boys that you do not remember that?

I agree with that.

At this Juncture Gurode is a center and will remain so.

 

[jobberone]

Strength is always something you can improve and work on. I'm pretty sure if Free gets an opportunity to be the LT next year, he will work his butt off in the weight room to improve on his weaknesses. I agree Flozell is still good, but there comes a point when you just need to move on. 34, 31, 31, 31 and 31. What are those numbers? The ages of our starting offensive line. There comes a point when you just need to get younger at certain positions. Knowing Jerry he won't draft a LT with the first pick. He'll take the best player available once again, and hopefully it's a ILB or S. I'm more concerned about the OG/C position. Flozell has clearly regressed this year and it's easy to see. We just have to move on and get younger.

If you've read all my responses you'll see I agree we need to draft on the OL. We should draft a tackle preferably a LT and a G/C preferably a C.

I will agree I see some erosion in his play but I attribute that to nobody on his *** and conditioning. This is a sad statement to make about him but I'd bet a decent amount on that and not just losing a step. And I agree Free should compete for his job. I just think we need to draft on the OL this coming year no matter what.

 

[jobberone]

I agree that Adams isn't bad... He's just kinda average at this point all considered.

It just stands to reason he won't be better next year than he is now. And he probably won't be as good next year as he is now.

What are the chances that he'll decline even more next year given his age?

Pretty good I would say.

Good enough so that something needs to be put into the works between now and the start of next training camp so that a continuing-to-decline Flozell Adams isn't the only option at LT that this team has.

Now I can buy into this. I do think someone should be on his ***. And I think that laziness and conditioning have more to do with some erosion in his talent.

But whatever it is I see a little bit of it. It needs to be addressed in the draft and competition next year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Best Player Available thats not a TE or QB.

 

[theogt]

Best Player Available thats not a TE or QB.

Or RB.

 

[jobberone]

Or RB.

If that's the BPA then maybe but I'd shy away from that unless it was a premier RB definite playmaker. Otherwise you're stealing away from an area of need in the future.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Or RB.

I doubt they would draft a CB, OLB or C/OG #1 either.

Oh and add WR to the list.

Not because it isn't an area of need, but because there is a bigger phobia at Valley Ranch about drafting WR's #1 than there is Olinemen.

 

[burmafrd]

Actually I think this coming year we can give WR a miss. Ogletree looks like he can really do something, Hurd is solid, and we still have Crayton, Roy and Miles. Maybe take a flier late on a couple of speed burners that are raw, but really otherwise save the higher picks for OL and LB, and shoot maybe try for another FS.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually I think this coming year we can give WR a miss. Ogletree looks like he can really do something, Hurd is solid, and we still have Crayton, Roy and Miles. Maybe take a flier late on a couple of speed burners that are raw, but really otherwise save the higher picks for OL and LB, and shoot maybe try for another FS.

Hurd is ST fodder. I agree though that WR should never be drafted in the first.

No RB I can def go with but if a pass rushing OLB, cover corner or a top G/C is there you absolutely take them at the end of the first. Typically you can get good value at ILB, S and C/G there at the end of the first; whereas, OT gets eaten up quickly.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Hurd is ST fodder. I agree though that WR should never be drafted in the first.

No RB I can def go with but if a pass rushing OLB, cover corner or a top G/C is there you absolutely take them at the end of the first. Typically you can get good value at ILB, S and C/G there at the end of the first; whereas, OT gets eaten up quickly.

Disagree. He's a great ST player, and makes plays when called upon.

I really like what Sam Hurd brings to this team.

 

[UnoDallas]

Antony Davis Declares
http://www.app.com/article/20091222/...-dream--in-NFL

The 20-year old Davis, who won't turn 21 until a month into his rookie NFL season, said he will begin the process of hiring an agent "soon," and then decide where he will train to prepare for the NFL Draft Combine in late February.

Anthony's going to do very well at the Combine," Rutgers coach Greg Schiano said. "He's so athletic for anybody, forget big or small. But then throw in the fact that he's 320 pounds — he's an incredible athlete

fixed

 

[UnoDallas]

Disagree. He's a great ST player, and makes plays when called upon.

I really like what Sam Hurd brings to this team.

I think Hurd is done here - we need a PR KR an a WR

Emmanuel Sanders, SMU
Height: 6-1. Weight: 176.
Projected 40 Time: 4.40.
Projected Round (2010): 7-FA

I saw him play last nite pretty good player of what I saw

 

[The Curly One]

I think he's been underrated for a while, mostly because people focus on the penalties.

Flozell has always been overated and an underperformer. I can not say if Free is better but I can definatly say we are better off with out Flozell and right now he is not even in the top 30 LT's and getting worse. Not only does he get too many penalties and whiffed blocks but when he gets penalties it is at some of the worst times and usually kills a drive.

 

[theogt]

I doubt they would draft a CB, OLB or C/OG #1 either.

Oh and add WR to the list.

Not because it isn't an area of need, but because there is a bigger phobia at Valley Ranch about drafting WR's #1 than there is Olinemen.

I dunno, I could see a WR, CB or OLB being drafted in the first round if they're they clear cut best available at that point.