Flozell Adams vs. Doug Free

[UnoDallas]

No doubt. Colombo steps back in at RT next year while grooming Brewster to take over for Colombo in 2011.

Brewster is not a RT

he is to small at 6-4

so you want a 6-4 guy to take over for a 6-8 guy - sorry I do not see that happening

I see Brewster as a G maybe Gurodes replacement playing him at G/C

I am still looking At drafting Davis or Fox for our OT

let the best man win the LT position put the other one as Swing tackle this year

then when Columbo is through put the Swing tackle in his spot

 

[jobberone]

I think we could get a couple more solid years out of Gurode and Davis. Colombo is a hit or miss right now because we really don't know how he's going to play coming back from the injuries. Flozell will probably be released in the offseason. Kosier is solid for us but we should draft an OT/OG prospect who can eventually take over for Kosier.

Why would we release Flozell in the offseason? What's his cap hit and don't tell me it's an uncapped season as there are still cap repercussions. We just signed him last year. Even in the very unlikely event Free were to outcompete him for his job who are you going to get to be the swing tackle or even backup LT.

This cut Flo stuff is nonsense.

This is assuming we don't somehow get two number ones and trade up for a bluechip LT in which case Flo would still likely be the starter unless traded.

 

[UnoDallas]

Why would we release Flozell in the offseason? What's his cap hit and don't tell me it's an uncapped season as there are still cap repercussions. We just signed him last year. Even in the very unlikely event Free were to outcompete him for his job who are you going to get to be the swing tackle or even backup LT.

This cut Flo stuff is nonsense.

This is assuming we don't somehow get two number ones and trade up for a bluechip LT in which case Flo would still likely be the starter unless traded.

we got a shot at Davis and Fox both would be fine swing OT's

better than Mcq

 

[TheSport78]

Why would we release Flozell in the offseason? What's his cap hit and don't tell me it's an uncapped season as there are still cap repercussions. We just signed him last year. Even in the very unlikely event Free were to outcompete him for his job who are you going to get to be the swing tackle or even backup LT.

This cut Flo stuff is nonsense.

This is assuming we don't somehow get two number ones and trade up for a bluechip LT in which case Flo would still likely be the starter unless traded.

First of all, it was a mistake to re-sign Flozell. Good GM teams like Indy, Philly, Baltimore, etc would have let Flozell go and drafted a OT in the 1st round. Jerry gets too loyal to his players sometimes and we're paying for it right now. Flozell is clearly our weakest OL right now and he just cannot keep up with the premium pass rushers in the league anymore. Free is younger, has much more upside, young and looks to be the perfect LT.

 

[jobberone]

First of all, it was a mistake to re-sign Flozell. Good GM teams like Indy, Philly, Baltimore, etc would have let Flozell go and drafted a OT in the 1st round. Jerry gets too loyal to his players sometimes and we're paying for it right now. Flozell is clearly our weakest OL right now and he just cannot keep up with the premium pass rushers in the league anymore. Free is younger, has much more upside, young and looks to be the perfect LT.

You're stating an opinion which I respect but do not agree with. Again Flo is providing good pass protection and the entire line is giving us good run blocking. What's to complain about other than too many false starts which seems to be rampant amongst our OL. Even Witten has too many.

We have a LT for next year in Flo and now we know we at least have a serviceable backup RT. I suspect Free can be a serviceable LT as well but we don't know that.

It's sheer perpetuation of myth that Flo needs replacing. I see no basis in fact for it.

 

[TheSport78]

You're stating an opinion which I respect but do not agree with. Again Flo is providing good pass protection and the entire line is giving us good run blocking. What's to complain about other than too many false starts which seems to be rampant amongst our OL. Even Witten has too many.

We have a LT for next year in Flo and now we know we at least have a serviceable backup RT. I suspect Free can be a serviceable LT as well but we don't know that.

It's sheer perpetuation of myth that Flo needs replacing. I see no basis in fact for it.

I respect your opinion. I do think Flozell is still a top 15 LT, but watching games you can see he's just not the same player. I would rather invest in a young, promising offensive linemen in Free, rather than HOPING Flozell has another decent year. This is usually around the time linemen start to wind down. All I'm saying is the Cowboys shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket with Flozell. Lets see how Flo does these next couple of games and hopefully into the playoffs.

 

[jobberone]

I respect your opinion. I do think Flozell is still a top 15 LT, but watching games you can see he's just not the same player. I would rather invest in a young, promising offensive linemen in Free, rather than HOPING Flozell has another decent year. This is usually around the time linemen start to wind down. All I'm saying is the Cowboys shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket with Flozell. Lets see how Flo does these next couple of games and hopefully into the playoffs.

He's only 34. That's not terminal for an OL in this league. He's still playing at a high level and I don't expect a significant dropoff for the term of his contract. He's not in his twenties anymore but he's really not having any more problems with speed rushers than he's had in the past. He just isn't getting beaten that often.

What more can you ask. Free gives us at the least a serviceable or better swing tackle to backup. At the best he beats Flo out sometime next season or takes over for an injury and never gives it up. You still have Flo as a serviceable LT and even swing tackle at the least.

Neither situation causes the team to cut him.

What people should be clamoring for is a backup center. We should be at least decent with the backup guard although there will be a dropoff there unless Brewster surprises me. That's the problem we have in our OL. Not at tackle.

 

[Eskimo]

He's only 34. That's not terminal for an OL in this league. He's still playing at a high level and I don't expect a significant dropoff for the term of his contract. He's not in his twenties anymore but he's really not having any more problems with speed rushers than he's had in the past. He just isn't getting beaten that often.

What more can you ask. Free gives us at the least a serviceable or better swing tackle to backup. At the best he beats Flo out sometime next season or takes over for an injury and never gives it up. You still have Flo as a serviceable LT and even swing tackle at the least.

Neither situation causes the team to cut him.

What people should be clamoring for is a backup center. We should be at least decent with the backup guard although there will be a dropoff there unless Brewster surprises me. That's the problem we have in our OL. Not at tackle.

Free is better than Flo.

Now is a good time m to try and flip Flo for a 2nd or 3rd rounder rather than continuing to start him until it is obvious to your grandmom that he is done.

 

[jobberone]

Free is better than Flo.

Now is a good time m to try and flip Flo for a 2nd or 3rd rounder rather than continuing to start him until it is obvious to your grandmom that he is done.

Free has not played LT so you have no data to back up your opinion.

I've stated why Flo is still playing at a high level. And you guys are ignoring the cap hit on Flo.

 

[Eskimo]

Free has not played LT so you have no data to back up your opinion.

I've stated why Flo is still playing at a high level. And you guys are ignoring the cap hit on Flo.

Since there is no cap next year it doesn't matter so it is a good year to trade him.

I don't think Flo is terrible but Free is a natural LT who does an admirable job and quickly become our best overall OL playing RT. You can see it in his long arms, footwork and athleticism (that open field block on Gay, peeling back and knocking that player off Romo to let him hit Austin for the TD against the Saints are two spectacular examples) that he is a natural born LT.

There are many teams that have worst LTs than Flo. Let us trade him to one of them and draft a safety, OL or ILB which are all high need positions. This is what high level teams must consistently do to stay atop since the draft is naturally rigged against them.

 

[theogt]

Free has not played LT so you have no data to back up your opinion.

I've stated why Flo is still playing at a high level. And you guys are ignoring the cap hit on Flo.

Free has played quite a bit of LT for us during preseason games.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Free has not played LT so you have no data to back up your opinion.

I've stated why Flo is still playing at a high level. And you guys are ignoring the cap hit on Flo.

Flo is not playing on a high level. He's cut down on penalties this year, but his drive blocking is pretty poor right now and his pass protection is so-so. I think one of the reasons why we run so much shotgun is to protect Romo for a possible lapse in Flo's blocking. He looks really old and stiff out there. We can cut him next year and not have to worry about the cap hit.

I think that's what we'll see with an uncapped year, more dumping of salaries than somebody trying to stockpile FA's.





YAKUZA

 

[Eskimo]

Flo is not playing on a high level. He's cut down on penalties this year, but his drive blocking is pretty poor right now and his pass protection is so-so. I think one of the reasons why we run so much shotgun is to protect Romo for a possible lapse in Flo's blocking. He looks really old and stiff out there. We can cut him next year and not have to worry about the cap hit.

I think that's what we'll see with an uncapped year, more dumping of salaries than somebody trying to stockpile FA's.





YAKUZA

It will be hard for the playoff teams to acquire FAs under the FA rules of an uncapped year so our ability to get players may be significantly impeded.

Anyhow, I hear what you are saying about Flo and I agree. However, he is still a serviceable LT and a heck of alot better than some guys out there. I wouldn't mind trying to trade him on draft day or in training camp after someone's LT goes down. I think he should be worth a 3rd round pick especially with us swallowing the bonus that we gave him.

Mostly, I just want to see Free out there because he is just simply a better pass protector than Flo and I want to keep Romo healthy.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Flo is not playing on a high level. He's cut down on penalties this year, but his drive blocking is pretty poor right now and his pass protection is so-so. I think one of the reasons why we run so much shotgun is to protect Romo for a possible lapse in Flo's blocking. He looks really old and stiff out there. We can cut him next year and not have to worry about the cap hit.

I think that's what we'll see with an uncapped year, more dumping of salaries than somebody trying to stockpile FA's.


YAKUZA

Yep.

I'd give odds of greater than 50/50 that Adams is either released or retires prior to the '10 season.

He's a long way away from being the player he was under Parcells.

 

[Sarge]

Yep.

I'd give odds of greater than 50/50 that Adams is either released or retires prior to the '10 season.

He's a long way away from being the player he was under Parcells.

He's overrated and frankly, has been for a while. He has killed many a drive over the years.

 

[Eddie]

I'm ready for a youth movement. We can't be paying for age anymore ... Flo, TO, etc.

Even in uncertain times, we can't be afraid to dump age and let the young players play.

Our approach of paying for age has netted us NOTHING. Not a single playoff win.

 

[burmafrd]

I well believe Jerruh takes an O line guy in the first when he does it and not before. Free might make him think he can keep going lower. I will believe Free can be a good LT when he plays there in real games and does a good job. As we have learned over the years what someone does in preseason does not mean he does it during the real season. Bennett is an example this year=remember how many were thinking he would be a big presence this season=and he has not. LT is the position on the O line=why do you think they are so hard to find? If you could flip RT and LT easily it would be done all the time. And sadly with the lack of development and finding real good young guys I do not have all that much faith in our coaching staff to get it done. If Free really is the real deal he will be the FIRST O LINEMAN we have drafted and developed since Gurode-and it took years to get him to be a top center. I frankly am disapointed with Houck- he has not seemed to be able to really get top performances out of our O line with the record he has had in the past.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

The fact of the matter is it's not just false starts Flozell is hurting us with. He has what, 3 holding penalties this season? It's too many. I think he's also given up 7 sacks this year, and though that already is too high of a number, when you consider we have one of the top QBs in the league at making his O-Line look better than they really are, that number looks even uglier.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I well believe Jerruh takes an O line guy in the first when he does it and not before. Free might make him think he can keep going lower. I will believe Free can be a good LT when he plays there in real games and does a good job. As we have learned over the years what someone does in preseason does not mean he does it during the real season. Bennett is an example this year=remember how many were thinking he would be a big presence this season=and he has not. LT is the position on the O line=why do you think they are so hard to find? If you could flip RT and LT easily it would be done all the time. And sadly with the lack of development and finding real good young guys I do not have all that much faith in our coaching staff to get it done. If Free really is the real deal he will be the FIRST O LINEMAN we have drafted and developed since Gurode-and it took years to get him to be a top center. I frankly am disapointed with Houck- he has not seemed to be able to really get top performances out of our O line with the record he has had in the past.

Nah, I don't think Jerrah is going to avoid the OL in the first round this year. I think an OT is the odds on choice. Part of it is need and part is the point that there aren't many other positions on the team that need an infusion of first round talent.

We'll see an OT drafted in the first round and probably a guard/center no later than the 3rd round.

 

[theogt]

He's overrated and frankly, has been for a while. He has killed many a drive over the years.

I think he's been underrated for a while, mostly because people focus on the penalties.