Football Outsiders NFL Tier List. Dak B+, mostly positive responses

[CowboyRoy]

So everyone should accept the countless Dak propping threads and have no permission to offer opinions, do I have this right? Only positive comments are allowed?

This is exactly how Germany was during WW2. You better worship you-know-who. If you don't, or are brave enough to criticize or speak out against him, you find yourself lined up against a wall.

This is a Cowboys fan forum genius. LOL

Or havent you realize that yet? Why should devoted Cowboy fans be upset that all these QB lists accurately have Dak ranked in the top 10?

Do you hear anyone crying that he isnt in the top 5 every time? Poor guy.

What is it like to hate the team your a fan of?

 

[CowboyRoy]

The Dak propping threads have been far fewer than the Dak bashing threads and the propping threads turn into bashing threads. You can’t even start a positive thread about him without many turning it into a something negative.

These QB rankings have Dak accurately ranked. ALL OF THEM!!

Not big news actually. Most of us have be saying Dak is top 10, 2nd tier for years now. Its the Dak trolls that get all tied up in a wad when the experts say EXACTLY what we say.

I can see how that would make them feel insecure about their opinion.

 

[CowboyRoy]

And yea you have issues with the rankings. No way do you believe these rankings when last week you were going on about Dak not being in the top 10 lol. Just stop already.

These Dak turds would be jumping for joy if they had Dak ranked as average. LOL

Hell, they would be the first one to post that ranking. Problem is that NO EXPERTS agree with them. NONE!! LOL

 

[phildadon86]

These Dak turds would be jumping for joy if they had Dak ranked as average. LOL

Hell, they would be the first one to post that ranking. Problem is that NO EXPERTS agree with them. NONE!! LOL

Oh i just posted in the other thread the NFL W/L records when a team has a 100 yard rusher.

Since you know. Dak is the only one that loses games when he doesnt have 100 yard rusher on the team lol. I think it was over 70 percent of the time you have a 100 yards rushing your team wins. Yet another stupid stat completely destroyed.

 

[Adreme]

Dak on the same level as the 2 QB's who just played in the super bowl?

Crack is bad for the brain.........

That is a terrible metric by which to judge an individual player in a team-based game. For example, Matt Stafford did not suddenly become good this year. He did not take some massive leap forward as a player, but was simply surrounded by better talent in a real organization for the first time in his career. Matt Stafford is the number 1 example of why wins are not a QB stat.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Oh i just posted in the other thread the NFL W/L records when a team has a 100 yard rusher.

Since you know. Dak is the only one that loses games when he doesnt have 100 yard rusher on the team lol. I think it was over 70 percent of the time you have a 100 yards rushing your team wins. Yet another stupid stat completely destroyed.

Im not sure group of fans has EVER taken more of a beating then the Dak turds.

I think at this point its even worse than the Garrett apologists.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Oh i just posted in the other thread the NFL W/L records when a team has a 100 yard rusher.

Since you know. Dak is the only one that loses games when he doesnt have 100 yard rusher on the team lol. I think it was over 70 percent of the time you have a 100 yards rushing your team wins. Yet another stupid stat completely destroyed.

Another laughable troll claim debunked with facts.

 

[CowboyFrog]

That is a terrible metric by which to judge an individual player in a team-based game. For example, Matt Stafford did not suddenly become good this year. He did not take some massive leap forward as a player, but was simply surrounded by better talent in a real organization for the first time in his career. Matt Stafford is the number 1 example of why wins are not a QB stat.

BINGO!!!!! Goff had a worse Rams team in the SB not so long ago, That doesnt mean Goff is better but this "An Elite QB is worth a SB Championship" stuff is crazy....May be it should be said Arron Donald just needed and AllPro corner and another HOF LB with better QB play to win a SB...But nope its "Stafford just needed a LITTLE better team" which is a ridiculous statement when you look at the Rams roster..Stafford is a good QB and just like 15 other QB's in this league, given that kinda Roster and some breaks On injuries you will get a trophy.

 

[Acceptablename]

He has absolutely proven he is anywhere from 6-10 on QB rankings. By any metric, or eye test Dak is one of the best in the NFL.

And its not like this is the ONLY ranking that has Dak between 5-10. THEY ALL DO!!

So the bottom line is guys that have said Dak wasnt talented enough to be a top 10 QB or refuse to admit it now have all been proven dead wrong.

I did say third tier just the other end.

 

[phildadon86]

Another laughable troll claim debunked with facts.

Oh now its being spun that Dak is just not important then lol

 

[CowboyRoy]

Oh now its being spun that Dak is just not important then lol

What would we do without all these fun little trolls to laugh at?

 

[CowboyRoy]

BINGO!!!!! Goff had a worse Rams team in the SB not so long ago, That doesnt mean Goff is better but this "An Elite QB is worth a SB Championship" stuff is crazy....May be it should be said Arron Donald just needed and AllPro corner and another HOF LB with better QB play to win a SB...But nope its "Stafford just needed a LITTLE better team" which is a ridiculous statement when you look at the Rams roster..Stafford is a good QB and just like 15 other QB's in this league, given that kinda Roster and some breaks On injuries you will get a trophy.

All these Dak trolls were clamoring about how much better Goff was than Dak.

 

[CowboyRoy]

BINGO!!!!! Goff had a worse Rams team in the SB not so long ago, That doesnt mean Goff is better but this "An Elite QB is worth a SB Championship" stuff is crazy....May be it should be said Arron Donald just needed and AllPro corner and another HOF LB with better QB play to win a SB...But nope its "Stafford just needed a LITTLE better team" which is a ridiculous statement when you look at the Rams roster..Stafford is a good QB and just like 15 other QB's in this league, given that kinda Roster and some breaks On injuries you will get a trophy.

There is still a big segment of the fan base that thinks that QB's actually carry their teams to SB's. LOL

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

No, you said he was the reason they won. Point blank.

Yes, the reason as in the difference between the two teams. LAR with similar talent but no Stafford the previous year had no real shot at a SB. He was the reason for the elevation of their success.

 

[noshame]

burgers tonight

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes, the reason as in the difference between the two teams. LAR with similar talent but no Stafford the previous year had no real shot at a SB. He was the reason for the elevation of their success.

Going from Goff to him no doubt was a huge leap. They also had a couple nice FA pickups. They also had a very favorable playoff run. Tampa was a great win, but after that they had to beat SF and the Bengals. Those two opponents were as favorable as they could have ever hoped for.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Going from Goff to him no doubt was a huge leap. They also had a couple nice FA pickups. They also had a very favorable playoff run. Tampa was a great win, but after that they had to beat SF and the Bengals. Those two opponents were as favorable as they could have ever hoped for.

What about Tampa? They had a brutal playoff run, NO/GB/KC, and all they did was change to Tom Brady+Gronk to go from 7-9 to SB champions. They were already loaded, but the QB position is so essential that the change affected them that drastically. Then you see the flip side with NE, 12-4 down to 6-10.

Arizona when they brought in Kurt Warner, Denver when they picked up Peyton Manning. It’s not that those players were the sole cog that moved the whole machine, but until they got the right one, the machine was rudderless. It’s not so unfounded to think a better QB beats SF. It was definitely close enough for that to have an impact. And if you had a QB who could beat SF, GB likely rolls over to you as they did to SF. Just like that it’s a jump to LA to face the Rams

 

[CowboyRoy]

What about Tampa? They had a brutal playoff run, NO/GB/KC, and all they did was change to Tom Brady+Gronk to go from 7-9 to SB champions. They were already loaded, but the QB position is so essential that the change affected them that drastically. Then you see the flip side with NE, 12-4 down to 6-10.

Arizona when they brought in Kurt Warner, Denver when they picked up Peyton Manning. It’s not that those players were the sole cog that moved the whole machine, but until they got the right one, the machine was rudderless. It’s not so unfounded to think a better QB beats SF. It was definitely close enough for that to have an impact. And if you had a QB who could beat SF, GB likely rolls over to you as they did to SF. Just like that it’s a jump to LA to face the Rams

All those teams you mentioned did more then just bring in the QB. Especially Tampa.

So you think a better QB beats SF? You mean like Rogers? SF beat Rogers in GB the very next week last year.

Moral of the story is that it can usually take both. But without the team, you are toast. We have the QB, need the team. Then there is the coaching argument. Need the coaching as well.

 

[phildadon86]

What about Tampa? They had a brutal playoff run, NO/GB/KC, and all they did was change to Tom Brady+Gronk to go from 7-9 to SB champions. They were already loaded, but the QB position is so essential that the change affected them that drastically. Then you see the flip side with NE, 12-4 down to 6-10.

Arizona when they brought in Kurt Warner, Denver when they picked up Peyton Manning. It’s not that those players were the sole cog that moved the whole machine, but until they got the right one, the machine was rudderless. It’s not so unfounded to think a better QB beats SF. It was definitely close enough for that to have an impact. And if you had a QB who could beat SF, GB likely rolls over to you as they did to SF. Just like that it’s a jump to LA to face the Rams

LOL. Yeah. Tampa ONLY brought in Gronk and Brady.

Discount the other 12 FA's they brought in.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

LOL. Yeah. Tampa ONLY brought in Gronk and Brady.

Discount the other 12 FA's they brought in.

“brought in”, as in from other teams? It was 1 other guy as of May 1st, a backup O lineman.

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/buccaneers-2020-free-agency-tracker-tom-brady-joe-haeg

a huge majority of the 12 you’re referencing were their own FA’s they re-signed. It was the same team, just adding the 2 Pats. *edit* and half a season for Antonio Brown.

After May 1st they brought in Shady McCoy to be the 4th string RB. So yes I’m discounting that.