Football Outsiders NFL Tier List. Dak B+, mostly positive responses

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That wasn't the point.

what was then?

 

[GINeric]

The players, coaches, and execs lists for QBs has not came out yet for this year as far as I know.

The defensive players rankings have, but not the offensive.

And what is the NFL mathematical results thing that ranks QBs that you speak of? I'd like to see this.

I was referring to the last mid-season lists they put out on the league's sites. All you have to do is go to the NFL official sites and look at their positional ranking lists. With that said, Dak pretty much been in the top 10 statistically on the NFL rankings in other seasons as well. I stand to be corrected if im wrong about those past seasons rankings.

As a matter of fact, on the NFL.COM quarterback rankings based on the production of the 2021 season, they have Dak ranked at number 9 out of 62 quarterbacks and they have all of the numbers they've posted to determine the positioning.

Go check it out!

Now this is the latest rankings because the 2022 season hasn't started yet, so they can only go by the 2021 season.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I was referring to the last mid-season lists they put out on the league's sites. All you have to do is go to the NFL official sites and look at their positional ranking lists. With that said, Dak pretty much been in the top 10 statistically on the NFL rankings in other seasons as well. I stand to be corrected if im wrong about those past seasons rankings.

If those rankings came out mid-season last year then I would say you're probably right and Dak would have been ranked in the top 10.

But with the way his play feel off and the ending of the season I dunno where he will be ranked this year when the players, coaches, and execs do their rankings.

I have a feeling the the players, coaches, and execs rankings will be something like this:

Rodgers
Mahomes
Brady
Allen
Burrow
Herbert
Watson (if included)
Wilson
Jackson
Murray

The players like Jackson and Murray a lot judging by things they say. I personally would not have Murray in there, but that's just my prediction.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dak isn't in there.

 

[GINeric]

If those rankings came out mid-season last year then I would say you're probably right and Dak would have been ranked in the top 10.

But with the way his play feel off and the ending of the season I dunno where he will be ranked this year when the players, coaches, and execs do their rankings.

I have a feeling the the players, coaches, and execs rankings will be something like this:

Rodgers
Mahomes
Brady
Allen
Burrow
Herbert
Watson (if included)
Wilson
Jackson
Murray

The players like Jackson and Murray a lot judging by things they say. I personally would not have Murray in there, but that's just my prediction.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dak isn't in there.

Its the ranking of the entire 2021 season. Again, these are official mathematical rankings.

 

[phildadon86]

The players, coaches, and execs lists for QBs has not came out yet for this year as far as I know.

The defensive players rankings have, but not the offensive.

And what is the NFL mathematical results thing that ranks QBs that you speak of? I'd like to see this.

So when that list does come out and he’s in the top ten again, what are you going to say? I’m honestly curious. Because I’m sure you will downplay their opinion.

 

[phildadon86]

If those rankings came out mid-season last year then I would say you're probably right and Dak would have been ranked in the top 10.

But with the way his play feel off and the ending of the season I dunno where he will be ranked this year when the players, coaches, and execs do their rankings.

I have a feeling the the players, coaches, and execs rankings will be something like this:

Rodgers
Mahomes
Brady
Allen
Burrow
Herbert
Watson (if included)
Wilson
Jackson
Murray

The players like Jackson and Murray a lot judging by things they say. I personally would not have Murray in there, but that's just my prediction.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dak isn't in there.

Hang on a second.
Jackson? The guy who couldn’t get it done in the playoffs until recently? Isn’t that one of the digs against Dak? Now I’m confused.
Wilson has been pretty bad for 2 straight years now as well. And no that’s not me saying Dak is better, just putting into perspective that if you’re only using the last 2 seasons of work, Wilson looked washed at times.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

So when that list does come out and he’s in the top ten again, what are you going to say? I’m honestly curious. Because I’m sure you will downplay their opinion.

I'd be fine with it.

It won't change my mind, but I will be fine with it.

If he's not in it will you care and will that change your opinion? No it wouldn't.

 

[phildadon86]

I'd be fine with it.

It won't change my mind, but I will be fine with it.

If he's not in it will you care and will that change your opinion? No it wouldn't.

Probably not. Lol. I also don’t see how you could put him above anyone on that list except maybe Wilson Murray and Jackson. Wilson strictly based on the last 2 years.

I am not surprised it wouldn’t change your mind either. But yet you posted the diggs ranking trying to change everyone else’s mind. Interesting

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Hang on a second.
Jackson? The guy who couldn’t get it done in the playoffs until recently? Isn’t that one of the digs against Dak? Now I’m confused.
Wilson has been pretty bad for 2 straight years now as well. And no that’s not me saying Dak is better, just putting into perspective that if you’re only using the last 2 seasons of work, Wilson looked washed at times.

I think those guys are much more respected around the league than Dak.

When it comes to players, coaches, and execs doing a ranking these things are taken into account with them.

I mean you see coaches and players alike talking about how they want to force Dak to beat them. There are plenty of quotes about this. I don't think he's thought of that highly. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be shocked if those QBs I listed are their top 10.

 

[phildadon86]

I think those guys are much more respected around the league than Dak.

When it comes to players, coaches, and execs doing a ranking these things are taken into account with them.

I mean you see coaches and players alike talking about how they want to force Dak to beat them. There are plenty of quotes about this. I don't think he's thought of that highly. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be shocked if those QBs I listed are their top 10.

Yeah but then you come on here and people say no one fears Zeke. So who do they fear on offense then? Martin? Lol.

murray isn’t even respected by his own team by the way. Or have you not been paying attention ?

 

[john van brocklin]

Basically the same tier as Wilson, Stafford, Jackson, and Burrow.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/podcasts/2022/2022-nfl-quarterbacks-tier-list

Reasonable
Dak is somewhere between average and elite.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Yeah but then you come on here and people say no one fears Zeke. So who do they fear on offense then? Martin? Lol.

murray isn’t even respected by his own team by the way. Or have you not been paying attention ?

This is a Dallas Cowboys message board. You shouldn't take what anyone says on here about football seriously.

You have one thread talking about Larry Allen would stream roll Aaron Donald and another where Rodger Staubach would go #1 overall in an all-time draft.

I said I woudn't be shocked if those were the 10 QBs. Maybe Dak makes it if they don't include Watson, I don't know. It's really not that big of a deal. That's just what I predict the players, coaches, and execs would do. Regardless of what they do mine or your mind will not be changed by it either way.

 

[Risen Star]

Dak on the same level as the 2 QB's who just played in the super bowl?

Crack is bad for the brain.........

Yeah this is laughable and not worth a serious response.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Matt Stafford had one of the best playoff runs we’ve ever seen from a QB. Combine that with Tampa, SF, and Cincy all being close games where he outplayed his opponent and I’d agree that QB play has had a tremendous amount to do with who wins the Super Bowl every year since… 2008?

Looks like you learned nothing. Stafford, when surrounded by an average supporting cast could barely make the playoffs and couldnt even win a playoff game over 12 years in Detroit.

While QB challenged football fans like you saw that as evidence that he didnt have what it takes, those of us that understand football knew Stafford was a great QB.

The moment he was surrounded by a championship type roster he not only won playoff games, but won a championship.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Looks like you learned nothing. Stafford, when surrounded by an average supporting cast could barely make the playoffs and couldnt even win a playoff game over 12 years in Detroit.

While QB challenged football fans like you saw that as evidence that he didnt have what it takes, those of us that understand football knew Stafford was a great QB.

The moment he was surrounded by a championship type roster he not only won playoff games, but won a championship.

I’ve always felt Stafford was a great QB. You’re attempting to create a narrative that doesn’t exist.

I didn’t not say he changed from Detroit to LA, he’s the same guy given a superior opportunity. So your assessment that the team around him is how he did what he did I never once disputed. That’s the narrative you want so you can lecture, but people proclaiming that is simply not the case.

That, however, does not change the reality that Matt is why they won the Super Bowl. No clearer representation of this exists than when they had Jared Goff the year prior and how the team took a dramatic leap by trading for Matt.

Dallas has a roster that is capable of contending for a championship if they made a similar QB leap; that was the point of the previous poster. LA may have superior talent to Dallas, but Cincinnati does not (or at least did not in 2021). Burrow was the difference there.

 

[starfan1]

I’ve always felt Stafford was a great QB. You’re attempting to create a narrative that doesn’t exist.

I didn’t not say he changed from Detroit to LA, he’s the same guy given a superior opportunity. So your assessment that the team around him is how he did what he did I never once disputed. That’s the narrative you want so you can lecture, but people proclaiming that is simply not the case.

That, however, does not change the reality that Matt is why they won the Super Bowl. No clearer representation of this exists than when they had Jared Goff the year prior and how the team took a dramatic leap by trading for Matt.

Dallas has a roster that is capable of contending for a championship if they made a similar QB leap; that was the point of the previous poster. LA may have superior talent to Dallas, but Cincinnati does not (or at least did not in 2021). Burrow was the difference there.

I had posted an article in another thread and I forgot where I ran across it but the difference maker in cincy run to super bowl was on the other side of the ball.

yes burrow played ok and chase was outstanding but the bigger reasons they went was how the defense played in playoffs. I’ll be interested to see if they can sustain that success

if our defense played like cincy in 14 and 16 maybe 18 we would have had more success. QB is just part of the equation Dak or Romo ain’t keeping us from promise land

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I had posted an article in another thread and I forgot where I ran across it but the difference maker in cincy run to super bowl was on the other side of the ball.

yes burrow played ok and chase was outstanding but the bigger reasons they went was how the defense played in playoffs. I’ll be interested to see if they can sustain that success

if our defense played like cincy in 14 and 16 maybe 18 we would have had more success. QB is just part of the equation Dak or Romo ain’t keeping us from promise land

But I don’t think the two things are necessarily exclusive, this or that never both. Cincy doesn’t get close to the SB without that defense, but they also don’t get close with the 2020 version of Burrow. His improvement was vital, as was his connection with Chase.

Conversely, SF allowed 33 points to Detroit. 26 to Minnesota, 23 and 30 to Seattle with and without Russell, heck even 22 to Chicago. They have a strong defense but are by no means immovable.
Dallas’s #1 offense had 7 points midway through the third quarter, and Dak Prescott was having a rough day. A better performance from the QB position should have won that game handedly, I’m surprised that’s not a universal opinion.

The point doesnt have to be that the QB, whether Dak or Romo, lost the game. When people here hear any criticism toward him they immediately jump to that conclusion. But there’s a difference between a QB doing enough not to be the reason you lost, and a QB being the reason you won. So is Dak the sole response to why Dallas went 1 and done? No no. But that doesn’t change the fact another QB would have fixed an issue that was partly created by him.

 

[starfan1]

But I don’t think the two things are necessarily exclusive, this or that never both. Cincy doesn’t get close to the SB without that defense, but they also don’t get close with the 2020 version of Burrow. His improvement was vital, as was his connection with Chase.

Conversely, SF allowed 33 points to Detroit. 26 to Minnesota, 23 and 30 to Seattle with and without Russell, heck even 22 to Chicago. They have a strong defense but are by no means immovable.
Dallas’s #1 offense had 7 points midway through the third quarter, and Dak Prescott was having a rough day. A better performance from the QB position should have won that game handedly, I’m surprised that’s not a universal opinion.

The point doesnt have to be that the QB, whether Dak or Romo, lost the game. When people here hear any criticism toward him they immediately jump to that conclusion. But there’s a difference between a QB doing enough not to be the reason you lost, and a QB being the reason you won. So is Dak the sole response to why Dallas went 1 and done? No no. But that doesn’t change the fact another QB would have fixed an issue that was partly created by him.

Well you’re not completely off base but come playoff time San Fran allowed 10,17 and 20 they were playing much better and up to expectations and they held Aaron Rogers to 10 so defense played a role

yes I think burrow and chase chemistry played a role as well but i definitely believe a smaller role than the defense

lastly in terms of that game Dak had a chance and blew it but they were in that boat because the offensive line had 16 penalties I think it was

that said the writing was on the wall leading up to the playoffs and the offense had been underwhelming the last part of the season especially against good defenses and I guess you can blame whoever you want there are several candidates from Dak, zeke, Moore and the line . I felt like we were in trouble the second the matchup was announced and all day the niners 2 lines dominated barring the last quarter

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Well you’re not completely off base but come playoff time San Fran allowed 10,17 and 20 they were playing much better and up to expectations and they held Aaron Rogers to 10 so defense played a role

yes I think burrow and chase chemistry played a role as well but i definitely believe a smaller role than the defense

lastly in terms of that game Dak had a chance and blew it but they were in that boat because the offensive line had 16 penalties I think it was

that said the writing was on the wall leading up to the playoffs and the offense had been underwhelming the last part of the season especially against good defenses and I guess you can blame whoever you want there are several candidates from Dak, zeke, Moore and the line . I felt like we were in trouble the second the matchup was announced and all day the niners 2 lines dominated barring the last quarter

Im not a Big Crunch time believer myself. People always promote players who come out in the clutch, but the whole reason that occurs is because they didn’t put their opponent away any earlier. It’s the Michael Jordan/Lebron James thing. “Michael Jordan is better on the last shot!” Yeah but Lebron James has won more blowout games than any player in NBA history, by far. His job was done midway through the third.

I don’t blame Dak at all for that last play. 2 more seconds on the clock and it goes fine. The run, the ref issue, the field position, the circumstance of the game was much more a result of everything that happened prior than that one moment for Prescott. It’s an exciting moment, but it’s worth exactly the same in the grand scheme as a handoff or a quick out or a goofy penalty in the first quarter. Any of those could have changed the result as much as that 2 seconds.

 

[ESisback]

They probably just ranked the QB position as a whole for each team.