For all those who still believe in Martyb

[KJJ]

Please keep it up.

Are you saying I don't have a legitimate complaint about Bennett? Are you satisfied with what you've seen of him on and off the field? How about you giving everyone your opinion of him.

 

[KJJ]

Please keep it up.

The picture and statement below you've been proudly displaying in your posts shows how low your standards are. It was 4 teams too many in my book!


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ONLY 4 TEAMS WENT FARTHER THAN US

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Are you saying I don't have a legitimate complaint about Bennett? Are you satisfied with what you've seen of him on and off the field? How about you giving everyone your opinion of him.

The picture and statement below you've been proudly displaying in your posts shows how low your standards are. It was 4 teams too many in my book!


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ONLY 4 TEAMS WENT FARTHER THAN US

you know, there is a multi-quote function...

 

[jobberone]

You know you are talking to Jerry Jones right?

I'm like most others I think. I'd love to see him involved more in the passing game. I'm not certain how much more he can be involved though. There's only so many balls to go around. And frankly I'd rather see it go to the #s 1 and 2 WRs on this ball club as well as Witten. I have my doubts about the current number two though so whatever they have to do to score more points is ok with me.

We averaged 400 yards a game and only scored roughly 350 points. That's unacceptable.

Are you listening Red?

 

[KJJ]

you know, there is a multi-quote function...

I know but he was responding quick so I figured he may have jumped in again so I made a separate post to be sure he saw it.

 

[zrinkill]

The picture and statement below you've been proudly displaying in your posts shows how low your standards are.

And this quote shows your true feelings

the look on your face after the Cowboys get blown out....PRICELESS!

Go away troll

 

[KJJ]

And this quote shows your true feelings



Go away troll

You're not answering my question or adding anything to the topic you just stopped by to flame. You need to go away! :whip:

 

[dogunwo]

I guess I don't see the problem with his outside interests. Every person on the team has outside interests. Golf, charitable organizations, wives, girlfriends, travel, etc. Many have twitter accts, facebook pages, etc. The people that they're chatting with aren't football fanatics and they prolly not gonna care how much film he watches, how much weight he squats, benches, or anything else football-related.

I get wanting more from Martellus, but thinking that any football player is going to live and breathe football 24-7 is unrealistic.

Its the same with any job. You can be extremely dedicated to your work and still have a life outside of it.

 

[silverbear]

Have I given that impression?

Guess sarcasm is a new concept to you...

 

[silverbear]

Bull .... just look at the number of threads you have started bad mouthing Romo.

Thread titles like

Romo hope or no hope?
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162733

The regression of Romo
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164442

Reality Check Viewer Discretion Advised!
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164299

Sundays game could make or break the Cowboys
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170252

Don't be surprised if the Cowboys end up missing the playoffs
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170992

Reducing Romo's turnovers has not equaled more wins
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171630

Marion Barber=Troy Hambrick
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173103

Then surprise surprise ...... when they go on a winning streak you are quiet as a mouse.

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Busted...

And as usual, the constantly negative whiners categorize themselves as "realistic"...

How "realistic" was it when you claimed Romo was "regressing"??

How "realistic" was it when you said "don't be surprised if the Cowboys miss the playoffs"??

How "realistic" was it when you claimed that "reducing Romo's turnovers has not equaled more wins"??

There's three classic examples of how your "realism" has proven to be pure, unadulterated bovine fecal matter...

You're not a "realist", you're a hater...

 

[silverbear]

Sure I'm quiet when we're on a winning streak there's nothing to complain about. LOL

I see-- it's not in your nature to start a positive thread...

Gotcha...

Sorry if my standards for the team and QB are higher than yours. Maybe you're satisfied with the Cowboys making the playoffs and winning a playoff game but I'm not!

English translation-- you're only happy when you've got something to whine about... I wonder, are you a joyless PITA in real life too, or just on message boards??

 

[AdamJT13]

I didn't have to look it up but I'm willing to wager the Cowboys would be in the top 5 worst drafting teams the past 10 years in the second round.

And again, you'd be wrong, which usually is the case when you make outrageous claims without bothering to look up anything.

2002- Andre Gurode...the only real quality second rounder we drafted the past decade.

Gurode is one of the best second-round picks of the entire decade. Only one second-round pick since 2000 has made more Pro Bowls than he has.

2000-Dwayne Goodrich...BUST!

2001-Quincy Carter...BUST!

2002- Antonio Bryant...showed some potential but was a head case and only last 3 seasons in Dallas.

2003-Al Johnson...BUST!

2004-Jacob Rogers...MEGA BUST! This dud never even saw the field!

2005-Kevin Burnett...Not a bad player but couldn't stay healthy and never saw a second contract. He was allowed to walk.

2006-Anthony Fasano...Was traded away 2 years later with another player for a measly 4th round draft pick.

2007-We didn't have a pick

2008-Martellus Bennett...Refer to this thread. LOL

2009-We didn't have a pick.

If you're going to count guys who started for several seasons and players who succeeded with other teams as "busts," that turns a lot of other teams' second-round picks into "busts," too.

By the way, you forgot Julius Jones, who was a starter for us and for the Seahawks. I guess he's a "bust," too?

See how many teams you can find that have drafted worse in the second round than the Cowboys from 2000-2009.

Sure --

Baltimore -- Ray Rice has made only one Pro Bowl. By your definition, all of the others have been a bust.

Carolina -- Kris Jenkins is in the same boat as Gurode. Everyone else, by your definition, has been a bust.

Cincinnati -- Chad Johnson/Ochocinco has been a Pro Bowl player. Everyone else, by your definition, has been a bust.

Cleveland -- All busts.

Denver -- Clinton Portis got traded away. The rest were busts.

Detroit -- Shaun Rogers has made fewer Pro Bowls than Gurode. The rest have been busts.

Houston -- DeMeco Ryans has made fewer Pro Bowls than Gurode. The rest have been busts.

Indianapolis -- Brittle Bob Sanders has made fewer Pro Bowls than Gurode and has missed more games than he has played. The rest have been busts.

Kansas City -- All busts.

Miami -- All busts.

Minnesota -- Sidney Rice has made one Pro Bowl. The rest have been busts.

New Orleans -- Tracy Porter shows promise. The rest have been busts.

New York Jets -- Justin Miller once made the Pro Bowl as a kick returner, but he stinks as a cornerback. You might call him a bust, and the rest have been busts.

Oakland -- All busts.

Seattle -- Lofa Tatupu has made fewer Pro Bowls than Gurode. The rest have been busts.

San Francisco -- All busts.

St. Louis -- All busts.

Tampa Bay -- All busts.

Tennessee -- Michael Roos has made one Pro Bowl. The rest have been busts.



OK, that's 19 teams who either were obviously worse or almost certainly worse at drafting in the second round over the past decade. And I didn't include several teams that were arguably worse, if they had a couple of pretty good players but nobody as good as Gurode. And that doesn't even take into account that several teams drafted several good players but not a single Pro Bowl player.

If you bothered to look up stuff once in a while, you might learn something.

 

[KJJ]

How "realistic" was it when you claimed Romo was "regressing"??

At the time I started that thread he was regressing. LOL He was off to the shakiest start of his career the first 5 weeks. Where were you at a wine tasting drowning your sorrows? The fans and the media were saying the new "Romo friendly" offense was looking more unfriendly. Everyone was asking for Garrett and Wades head. Things didn't change until Miles Austin had his breakout game against KC....NEXT!

How "realistic" was it when you said "don't be surprised if the Cowboys miss the playoffs"??

It was very realistic at the time because the Cowboys were in the middle of a 2 game losing streak and were headed to New Orleans to play the undefeated Saints who were heavily favored...NEXT!

How "realistic" was it when you claimed that "reducing Romo's turnovers has not equaled more wins"??

It was dead on the money realistic because at the time the Cowboys had the same exact 8-5 record in 08 they had last year at that point in the season. Romo didn't have one single turnover against NY and San Diego and we lost both games. You're really making this too easy for me...NEXT!

There's three classic examples of how your "realism" has proven to be pure, unadulterated bovine fecal matter...

I just shot down your three classic examples with plenty of ammo to spare. That was like target practice. :shoot3: LOL Funny how neither you or the other homer want to discuss THIS topic and would rather go back and dig up what I said earlier in the season that was right on the money at the time. LOL

 

[Idgit]

At the time I started that thread he was regressing. LOL He was off to the shakiest start of his career the first 5 weeks. Where were you at a wine tasting drowning your sorrows? The fans and the media were saying the new "Romo friendly" offense was looking more unfriendly. Everyone was asking for Garrett and Wades head. Things didn't change until Miles Austin had his breakout game against KC....NEXT!

No, he wasn't. And only the 'realistic' fans and the media were saying the offense was looking unfriendly. It's been well established that they were loudly wrong.

Not everyone was asking for Wade or Garrett's head, either. There were plenty of posters on this very board at the time calling that that sort of talk the childish premature garbage that it later proved to be. You can't go back and justify how wrong you were by saying everybody else was, too, when plenty of people weren't.

It was very realistic at the time because the Cowboys were in the middle of a 2 game losing streak and were headed to New Orleans to play the undefeated Saints who were heavily favored...NEXT!

A loss in NO had very little statistical impact on our playoff chances. This was demonstrated at the time, but you probably didn't hear it b/c you were busy overreacting.

It was dead on the money realistic because at the time the Cowboys had the same exact 8-5 record in 08 they had last year at that point in the season. Romo didn't have one single turnover against NY and San Diego and we lost both games. You're really making this too easy for me...NEXT!

Dead on realistic, and dead on premature, and ultimately dead on wrong. Who'd have thought?

I just shot down your three classic examples with plenty of ammo to spare. That was like target practice. :shoot3: LOL Funny how neither you or the other homer want to discuss THIS topic and would rather go back and dig up what I said earlier in the season that was right on the money at the time. LOL

I'll go way out on a limb her and say that I think the other posters are questioning your credibility on the current topic b/c of your history of being a premature evaluator (and then evaluating wrong) on so many other topics. That's understandable at this point.

 

[Hoofbite]

No, he wasn't. And only the 'realistic' fans and the media were saying the offense was looking unfriendly. It's been well established that they were loudly wrong.

Actually this one is true. Romo was playing pretty crappy. Compared to how he finished the season and how he played in other seasons, he was playing like crap.

Dude turned it around though. BIG TIME.

 

[KJJ]

OK, that's 19 teams who either were obviously worse or almost certainly worse at drafting in the second round over the past decade. And I didn't include several teams that were arguably worse, if they had a couple of pretty good players but nobody as good as Gurode. And that doesn't even take into account that several teams drafted several good players but not a single Pro Bowl player.

If you bothered to look up stuff once in a while, you might learn something.

Says who YOU? Who are you Ron Wolf? You just flew right through all those teams and haven't proven any of them drafted any worse than the Cowboys in the second round. LOL You're going to have to come up with alot better evaluation than that if you want to be taken seriously. First of all you didn't consider Goodrich and Quincy Carter were the Cowboys TOP picks in 01 and 02 because the Cowboys didn't have a #1 either year because of the Joey Galloway deal. The fact they were our top picks in back to back years made the picks even worse. Both players set the team back but no player we drafted set the team back further than QC who was drafted to replace Troy Aikman. Hell the Cowboys even traded up in the second round to draft Carter who would have probably still been there in the 4th round. LOL Carter was one of the worst picks in franchise history! The Cowboys wasted 3 years trying to develop him and it led to 2 straight 5-11 seasons. All we got out of him was 3 seasons. Goodrich was so bad he only saw action in 16 games over 3 years and finished his career with a grand total of 8 tackles. Gurode has been the only solid player we drafted the past 10 years who was resigned.

By the way, you forgot Julius Jones, who was a starter for us and for the Seahawks. I guess he's a "bust," too?

Julius wasn't a "bust" but he certainly was a disappointment. We passed up Steven Jackson who developed into a terrific back to settle for him. Julius showed alot of potential his rookie year after coming back from an injury but flamed out and was allowed to walk after his contact was up. He's just another in a long line of second round picks who ended up not having a future with the Cowboys.

 

[KJJ]

No, he wasn't. And only the 'realistic' fans and the media were saying the offense was looking unfriendly. It's been well established that they were loudly wrong.

Compared to 07 and 08 Romo got off to a shaky start the first few weeks of last season. He had a big game against TB after getting off to a slow start in that one. He completely imploded against NY the following week with multiple turnovers and a QB rating of 44.8. That was the kind of performance we usually see from him in Dec not Sept. He looked okay against Carolina the next week and had another tough day against Denver the following week. Alot of people started questioning the so called "Romo friendly" offense after the Denver game. Romo wasn't looking comfortable in the pocket and seemed to be aiming his passes. RW was still not producing and we were forced to look for Hurd who was being covered by Champ Bailey to try and win the game in the end. Romo was having trouble picking up the blitz which led to 5 sacks and a fumble. Things weren't looking good for the Cowboys after the first 4 games. Things got better as the season went on but the team and Romo got off to a rocky start in 09. My analysis of the team at that point in the season was not wrong! I never said it would stay that way. LOL

Not everyone was asking for Wade or Garrett's head, either. There were plenty of posters on this very board at the time calling that that sort of talk the childish premature garbage that it later proved to be. You can't go back and justify how wrong you were by saying everybody else was, too, when plenty of people weren't.

I don't spend alot of time on this board but the ones I frequent alot of fans were calling for Wade and Garretts head early last season. Fans were very upset with the way the defense was playing. The Cowboys didn't have a sack for the first 2-3 games or a turnover. Our WR's only had 12 catches after the first couple of games. Everyone started crying about Garrett especially after targeting Hurd who was being covered by Champ Bailey in the loss to Denver. Even after the KC win fans weren't happy with the way we won that game and Wade watch was in full force.

A loss in NO had very little statistical impact on our playoff chances. This was demonstrated at the time, but you probably didn't hear it b/c you were busy overreacting.

Say what you will but had the Cowboys lost to NO they would have been in FULL MELTDOWN mode. It was beating the Saints that turned the Cowboys season completely around and led to the team finally ending their winless playoff drought. Had the Cowboys lost that game they most certainly lose the division title and would have had to go to Philly in the first round of the playoffs IF they even ended up making the playoffs. Beating Washington wouldn't have been a given had the Cowboys staggered into DC in the middle of a 3 game slide.

Dead on realistic, and dead on premature, and ultimately dead on wrong. Who'd have thought?

Almost everyone was wrong about last season. Most were picking the Cowboys 3rd in the NFC. The team was up and down all season then caught fire after the big NO win then our season ended up with the team laying another egg. This was the most unpredictable Cowboys team I can ever remember.

I'll go way out on a limb her and say that I think the other posters are questioning your credibility on the current topic b/c of your history of being a premature evaluator (and then evaluating wrong) on so many other topics. That's understandable at this point.

I haven't been on this board very long but this is the only season I ended up missing the mark on the Cowboys because of how up and down they were. To all the posters who want to criticize my analysis I challenge them to dig up their posts from this past season and show where they called the Cowboys season correctly from day one. :

 

[AdamJT13]

Says who YOU? Who are you Ron Wolf? You just flew right through all those teams and haven't proven any of them drafted any worse than the Cowboys in the second round. LOL You're going to have to come up with alot better evaluation than that if you want to be taken seriously.

Again, have you even bothered to look up who those teams drafted? I'm guessing the answer is still no. And you want to talk about being taken seriously? Please. Do some research, and maybe you wouldn't have to resort to silly little emoticons and juvenile insults.

 

[KJJ]

Again, have you even bothered to look up who those teams drafted? I'm guessing the answer is still no. And you want to talk about being taken seriously? Please. Do some research, and maybe you wouldn't have to resort to silly little emoticons and juvenile insults.

So the emoticons bother you? That sounds juvenile. LOL You need to do some research before claiming 19 teams had worst second round drafts the past decade than the Cowboys. To find that out you would have to do extensive research on every player those teams drafted in the second round to see how they impacted their teams compared to all the other teams second rounders and even then the opinions would vary as to which team drafted worst in the second round the past decade. You could assemble a table full of experts and there would never be a consensus as to which team drafted worst in the second round the past 10 years but the Cowboys would certainly have been one of those teams mentioned. I know from following the Cowboys their second round selections the past decade have been dismal to say the least. Would you not agree? Gurode turned out to be a very good player but his success isn't going to make up for all the duds we picked simply off the fact he became a multiple pro bowler. One good player out of 9 selections isn't going to turn a pile of junk into gold. Like I mentioned Goodrich and QC were our TOP pics in 2000 and 01. They were arguably two of the worst selections in franchise history because of their high draft status and how negatively they impacted the team.

As a matter of fact a thread was started on this board asking everyone who they thought the worst pick in Cowboys history was and both Goodrich and QC came up OFTEN. You would have a tough time finding a second round pick that set a team back as much as QC set the Cowboys because he was their TOP pick and was drafted to replace Troy Aikman. I can't remember a draft pick that upset more Cowboy fans than the selection of QC. Not having first round picks in 2000 and 01 made the selection of Goodrich and QC extra damaging. Joey Galloway who was a very good receiver became a flop for the Cowboys because QC was such a stiff. Jacob Rogers was a DREADFUL second round pick. The guy never saw the field! Dude we drafted 9 players in the second round from 2000 to 2009 and only ONE player panned out and was retained for our future. That's pretty pathetic when you're picking in an early round that has alot of good football players in it. The Cowboys have come up with much better players in the 3rd and 4th round such as Witten, Barber and Choice.

 

[KJJ]

Guess sarcasm is a new concept to you...

I responded with sarcasm. LOL