For all those who still believe in Martyb

[iceberg]

So the emoticons bother you? That sounds juvenile. LOL You need to do some research before claiming 19 teams had worst second round drafts the past decade than the Cowboys. To find that out you would have to do extensive research on every player those teams drafted in the second round to see how they impacted their teams compared to all the other teams second rounders and even then the opinions would vary as to which team drafted worst in the second round the past decade. You could assemble a table full of experts and there would never be a consensus as to which team drafted worst in the second round the past 10 years but the Cowboys would certainly have been one of those teams mentioned. I know from following the Cowboys their second round selections the past decade have been dismal to say the least. Would you not agree? Gurode turned out to be a very good player but his success isn't going to make up for all the duds we picked simply off the fact he became a multiple pro bowler. One good player out of 9 selections isn't going to turn a pile of junk into gold. Like I mentioned Goodrich and QC were our TOP pics in 2000 and 01. They were arguably two of the worst selections in franchise history because of their high draft status and how negatively they impacted the team.

As a matter of fact a thread was started on this board asking everyone who they thought the worst pick in Cowboys history was and both Goodrich and QC came up OFTEN. You would have a tough time finding a second round pick that set a team back as much as QC set the Cowboys because he was their TOP pick and was drafted to replace Troy Aikman. I can't remember a draft pick that upset more Cowboy fans than the selection of QC. Not having first round picks in 2000 and 01 made the selection of Goodrich and QC extra damaging. Joey Galloway who was a very good receiver became a flop for the Cowboys because QC was such a stiff. Jacob Rogers was a DREADFUL second round pick. The guy never saw the field! Dude we drafted 9 players in the second round from 2000 to 2009 and only ONE player panned out and was retained for our future. That's pretty pathetic when you're picking in an early round that has alot of good football players in it. The Cowboys have come up with much better players in the 3rd and 4th round such as Witten, Barber and Choice.

emotes weaken your stance and make you look 13.

i suppose for you that's a compliment.

you're arguing out of emotion and bitterness. both personal reasons to take a stand on something. adam argues numbers and facts so you're already on 2 different sides and anything he said to counter your childish emotional outbursts, sure you'll come back with emotes galore.

you follow the cowboys. so far in all this lunacy thats all i see you profess to follow. adam follows the NFL so credibility is already 100% adam, 0% you. at this point it's clear to see you'll have nothing about any idea that proves you wrong and while you clamor for proof on what others say, wheres your in depth analysis of each teams 2nd round picks for the last 10 years or so?

uh huh, i thought so.

 

[iceberg]

I didn't have to look it up but I'm willing to wager the Cowboys would be in the top 5 worst drafting teams the past 10 years in the second round. Just look at what they've come up with.

2000-Dwayne Goodrich...BUST!

2001-Quincy Carter...BUST!

2002- Andre Gurode...the only real quality second rounder we drafted the past decade. Antonio Bryant...showed some potential but was a head case and only last 3 seasons in Dallas.

2003-Al Johnson...BUST!

2004-Jacob Rogers...MEGA BUST! This dud never even saw the field!

2005-Kevin Burnett...Not a bad player but couldn't stay healthy and never saw a second contract. He was allowed to walk.

2006-Anthony Fasano...Was traded away 2 years later with another player for a measly 4th round draft pick.

2007-We didn't have a pick

2008-Martellus Bennett...Refer to this thread. LOL

2009-We didn't have a pick.

Care to give a grade for our second round selections the past decade? LOL See how many teams you can find that have drafted worse in the second round than the Cowboys from 2000-2009. Have fun!

let's dance - i'll take that bet. winner has to sport a sigline/pic of the others choosing for a month, subject to mod approval of course.

the problem here is you're going to have to research other teams and you can't just spout off conjecture and your own whine fest to claim victory.

if you're up for it, we'll setup the defination of bust and all i've got to do is find 5 more teams who had more of that defination than the cowboys did.

you got game or just lip?

 

[Hostile]

I find it very hard to believe that scrutiny of what players do away from the field is so intense. People actually care about who these guys date, what their outside activities are, and whether or not they are mature by our definitions.

All I really care about is what they do out there on the football field. Out there are they contributing to winning or distracting from it. I think it would take a stretch of monumental proportions to say Martellus Bennett distracts from winning because he does MartyB TV and raps.

Let me talk for a minute about some characters from our teams' History.

Let's start with Don Talbert. He was drafted by the Cowboys in 1962. He was out of football for 2 years. He came back in 1965. Left the Cowboys for the Falcons and came back in 1971. I believe he is the only player to have 3 different stints with the team. I should double check that.

His nickname on the team was Rotten. He was a noted brawler, prone to drinking excessive amounts of alcohol and outlandish acts. When the Cowboys signed Toni Fritsch (I will talk about him in a minute) as their Kicker in the midst of a Super Bowl run, Talbert told Tom Landry that he would be Toni's translator and teach him English. He taught Toni curse words. Curse words to be directed at referees and at Landry himself.

He was Rotten.

Toni Fritsch could probably out drink any player in our History. His idea of training was to spend all day getting drunk at the VIP Lounge and then showing up to kick a few FGs.

What about the guy who tells the stories about these two characters? Walt Garrison. Walt participated in rodeo in the off season. Does anyone besides me not consider that flirting with his career? I have tried rodeo and trust me, it is not designed to prolong a football career.

What about a guy named Clint Longley. He led the Cowboys to an improbable come from behind victory against the Commanders on Thanksgiving day 1974. Larry Cole called that performance the "triumph of an uncluttered mind." In other words, Longley wasn't exactly a genius. He was known to take his rifle to Training Camp and shoot at the gophers in the field next to the team hotel from his hotel window.

On another occasion he bought a pony and made arrangements with Charlie Waters to graze the pony in some pasture land Charlie owned near the Cowboys Headquarters. Clint brought the pony to Charlie's property in the back seat of his Cadillac convertible.

Ever heard of "North Dallas Forty?" It's a book by Pete Gent, a former Cowboy and it is generally believed to be a fictional account of very real goings on.

Did you know that Don Meredith used to sing in the huddle rather than call plays sometimes? Did you know he partied as hard or harder than any player on the team?

Troy Aikman dated starlets and country musics stars long before Tony Romo did.

Ever heard of the White House? Read "Boys Will Be Boys" and ask yourself how mature some of these people were. In particular focus on Charles Haley and ask yourself, is that mature?

I find Martellus Bennett to be a bright kid with incredible potential and hopefully a bright future. Much of that is up to him. I objected to his video that had him wearing a Cowboys helmet as he rapped controversial things. But everything else I have seen from the kid is harmless fun. He's hilarious.

Whether people ever grasp it or not he is also a vital cog in the engine that is our Offense. Too many don't grasp the nuances of the game like blocking. Way too many. Far too many people write off players early in their careers because they are not immediately all world. Premature evaluation. I am never more grateful that some people aren't employed by the team than I am in some of these threads.

I'll get off my soapbox, but not before I say one last thing. Hyperbole and definitive statements without research are terrific ways to make yourself look foolish and remove all credibility immediately. Not mentioning any names, just generic advice for anyone who wants their ideas taken seriously. Yeah, I know, it's the Internet. Who cares if others take you seriously? I would assume anyone who doesn't want to look like a complete fool. But that's just me.

 

[burmafrd]

Hos he dropped balls , busted routes and quit on routes. That shows lack of focus and concentration. Jerruh called him out on that. Now for his effect on the rest of the team who knows. What I care about is he has tremendous potential but has not shown the dedication and concentration and work ethic to really excell.

 

[iceberg]

i'm still waiting for wondermouth to take my bet.

come on man - put up or well...go away like you did. : )

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

So since MB was picked in the 2nd round he must be a bust?

I know it's not exactly the same, but this reminds me of the gamblers fallacy.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

You seriously are the man HOS! Many others will point out the same thing to these folks on this forum but it seems only your words because of your reputation and time on this forum will make people feel so silly for the things they say they don't pertain to the actual play on the field. So many of these posters on here only look at the playmakers and don't realize the most imporant players on the field are the front 7 on the defense and the o-line te's on offense doing the dirty work. If you put on the tape and watch Martellus, you will see that he had a very good year by blocking standards but like I said people only remember the drops and errors a player has, just like (SENSABAUGH WHO HAD A GREAT YEAR BUT GAVE UP A BIG PLAY AND MORONS WANTED TO GET RID OF HIM) WHY are people STILL talking about the TB game when there was confusion as to who was lined up WRONG??? It WASN'T Martellus, so get off his arse about that for once PLEASE! The kid has a tremendous amount of talent and no one here knows how hard he works when it comes time to do what it takes to play the game of football. It's funny HOS could've gone all day about the crazy people that have suited up with the STAR on the side of their helmet but he didn't want to tear into all of you judges and be a judge himself

I find it very hard to believe that scrutiny of what players do away from the field is so intense. People actually care about who these guys date, what their outside activities are, and whether or not they are mature by our definitions.

All I really care about is what they do out there on the football field. Out there are they contributing to winning or distracting from it. I think it would take a stretch of monumental proportions to say Martellus Bennett distracts from winning because he does MartyB TV and raps.

Let me talk for a minute about some characters from our teams' History.

Let's start with Don Talbert. He was drafted by the Cowboys in 1962. He was out of football for 2 years. He came back in 1965. Left the Cowboys for the Falcons and came back in 1971. I believe he is the only player to have 3 different stints with the team. I should double check that.

His nickname on the team was Rotten. He was a noted brawler, prone to drinking excessive amounts of alcohol and outlandish acts. When the Cowboys signed Toni Fritsch (I will talk about him in a minute) as their Kicker in the midst of a Super Bowl run, Talbert told Tom Landry that he would be Toni's translator and teach him English. He taught Toni curse words. Curse words to be directed at referees and at Landry himself.

He was Rotten.

Toni Fritsch could probably out drink any player in our History. His idea of training was to spend all day getting drunk at the VIP Lounge and then showing up to kick a few FGs.

What about the guy who tells the stories about these two characters? Walt Garrison. Walt participated in rodeo in the off season. Does anyone besides me not consider that flirting with his career? I have tried rodeo and trust me, it is not designed to prolong a football career.

What about a guy named Clint Longley. He led the Cowboys to an improbable come from behind victory against the Commanders on Thanksgiving day 1974. Larry Cole called that performance the "triumph of an uncluttered mind." In other words, Longley wasn't exactly a genius. He was known to take his rifle to Training Camp and shoot at the gophers in the field next to the team hotel from his hotel window.

On another occasion he bought a pony and made arrangements with Charlie Waters to graze the pony in some pasture land Charlie owned near the Cowboys Headquarters. Clint brought the pony to Charlie's property in the back seat of his Cadillac convertible.

Ever heard of "North Dallas Forty?" It's a book by Pete Gent, a former Cowboy and it is generally believed to be a fictional account of very real goings on.

Did you know that Don Meredith used to sing in the huddle rather than call plays sometimes? Did you know he partied as hard or harder than any player on the team?

Troy Aikman dated starlets and country musics stars long before Tony Romo did.

Ever heard of the White House? Read "Boys Will Be Boys" and ask yourself how mature some of these people were. In particular focus on Charles Haley and ask yourself, is that mature?

I find Martellus Bennett to be a bright kid with incredible potential and hopefully a bright future. Much of that is up to him. I objected to his video that had him wearing a Cowboys helmet as he rapped controversial things. But everything else I have seen from the kid is harmless fun. He's hilarious.

Whether people ever grasp it or not he is also a vital cog in the engine that is our Offense. Too many don't grasp the nuances of the game like blocking. Way too many. Far too many people write off players early in their careers because they are not immediately all world. Premature evaluation. I am never more grateful that some people aren't employed by the team than I am in some of these threads.

I'll get off my soapbox, but not before I say one last thing. Hyperbole and definitive statements without research are terrific ways to make yourself look foolish and remove all credibility immediately. Not mentioning any names, just generic advice for anyone who wants their ideas taken seriously. Yeah, I know, it's the Internet. Who cares if others take you seriously? I would assume anyone who doesn't want to look like a complete fool. But that's just me.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Jerry was an idiot for not trading this lazy immature idiot when he had the chance. I've been watching football a long time and I've never seen a player come off as IMMATURE as Bennett and go on to become a solid football player.
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You seem pretty immature by calling people lazy-idiot-immature, maybe you are the lazy one that is keeping track of all that Martellus is doing away from football, trust me lil buddy you don't want to see half the players in the national football league b/c your opinion on Martellus would change drastically.... I am sure there are tons who smoke weed, party everyday, mess with tons of women, spend their money like crazy, abuse their girls, be a cocky and arrogant big shot.. You sound like you've been watching football for 2 years since Martellus has been in the league b/c you are just down right crazy to think he is the most immature player you have ever seen, you are going to keep seeing this trend so get used to it.. New group of kids, new social media with the twitter-ustream-*******-facebook. Another kid will replace Martellus for you in a year or 2 and you can get on his case too!! Here is some advice, please get a life and live your own and quit worrying about what a football player is doing that has nothing to do with you and isn't hurting you in any way-shape or form.. Thanks

 

[KJJ]

let's dance - i'll take that bet. winner has to sport a sigline/pic of the others choosing for a month, subject to mod approval of course.

the problem here is you're going to have to research other teams and you can't just spout off conjecture and your own whine fest to claim victory.

if you're up for it, we'll setup the defination of bust and all i've got to do is find 5 more teams who had more of that defination than the cowboys did.

you got game or just lip?

You want to make a bet based off OPINION the Cowboys aren't in the top 5 worst drafting teams in the second round this past decade? Like I told the other guy you could assemble a panel of experts ranking which teams had the worst drafts this past decade and you would get different teams and different rankings from all of them. There would be no clear cut top 5 teams because it would be based on OPINION. The fact is the Cowboys have drafted terrible in the second round this past decade would you not agree? We had only one player develop into a player we wanted to keep after his rookie contract was up. Our first two second round picks to start the decade were two of the worst picks in franchise history. They were our top picks those years and we traded up for one of them giving up an extra pick and he ended up setting back the franchise by at least 3 years. No one can argue the Cowboys have drafted awful from 2000-20009. Care to argue it? :

 

[KJJ]

So since MB was picked in the 2nd round he must be a bust?

I know it's not exactly the same, but this reminds me of the gamblers fallacy.

Need to get your facts straight MB was picked in the 4th round.

 

[gmoney112]

You want to make a bet based off OPINION the Cowboys aren't in the top 5 worst drafting teams in the second round this past decade? Like I told the other guy you could assemble a panel of experts ranking which teams had the worst drafts this past decade and you would get different teams and different rankings from all of them. There would be no clear cut top 5 teams because it would be based on OPINION. The fact is the Cowboys have drafted terrible in the second round this past decade would you not agree? We had only one player develop into a player we wanted to keep after his rookie contract was up. Our first two second round picks to start the decade were two of the worst picks in franchise history. They were our top picks those years and we traded up for one of them giving up an extra pick and he ended up setting back the franchise by at least 3 years. No one can argue the Cowboys have drafted awful from 2000-20009. Care to argue it? :

Yes, nearly every poster here who's logical could refute that argument but they choose not too. Wonder why?

Serious ban request.

 

[KJJ]

i'm still waiting for wondermouth to take my bet.

come on man - put up or well...go away like you did. : )

Go do your research and find a player drafted in the second round this past decade who set their team back more than Quincy Carter set the Cowboys back. You're going to have to find a team who's second round pick was their TOP pick that season and was a QB they REACHED for by trading up...good luck! :toast:

 

[KJJ]

Yes, nearly every poster here who's logical could refute that argument but they choose not too. Wonder why?

Serious ban request.

Anyone can refute that argument because it's based totally off OPINION. Everyone has an OPINION and they would all vary on the top 5 worst drafting teams in the second round this past decade but no one who is logical can refute the Cowboys have drafted terrible in the second round the past 10 years.

 

[Hostile]

Need to get your facts straight MB was picked in the 4th round.

Martellus Bennett

 

[Hoofbite]

So since MB was picked in the 2nd round he must be a bust?

I know it's not exactly the same, but this reminds me of the gamblers fallacy.

You're right, its the complete opposite.

 

[KJJ]

emotes weaken your stance and make you look 13.

i suppose for you that's a compliment.

you're arguing out of emotion and bitterness. both personal reasons to take a stand on something. adam argues numbers and facts so you're already on 2 different sides and anything he said to counter your childish emotional outbursts, sure you'll come back with emotes galore.

you follow the cowboys. so far in all this lunacy thats all i see you profess to follow. adam follows the NFL so credibility is already 100% adam, 0% you. at this point it's clear to see you'll have nothing about any idea that proves you wrong and while you clamor for proof on what others say, wheres your in depth analysis of each teams 2nd round picks for the last 10 years or so?

uh huh, i thought so.

Only someone childish would say using emoticons weaken a persons stance. LOL You follow me around crying about something in every thread I start which is childish and clearly weakens your stance. If Adam thinks he's so clued up about the NFL and all 32 teams let him speak for himself and post some detailed analysis on all 19 teams he claimed had worse second round picks than the Cowboys. Don't try speaking for me either. I've been following the Cowboys AND the NFL since the 71 season. I don't need to give an in depth analysis on all 32 NFL teams second round picks from the last 10 years to know the the Cowboys second round picks have been terrible as a whole. It's been brought up by many in the Dallas media how poor the Cowboys have drafted in the second round since 2000.

We've drafted one real solid player who was a keeper and that was it. We REACHED for an AVERAGE QB with our top pick in 01 who would have been sitting there 2 rounds later and we even traded up for him in a desperate attempt to replace a hall of fame QB. Picking Carter helped destroy the Joey Galloway deal that cost us two #1's a year earlier. I can't think of a more damaging pick in franchise history than the selection of Carter in 01. It was no doubt Jerry's biggest blunder and the team paid for it dearly the next few years. It led to a series of bad things including having to suffer with old man Vinny 3 years later.

 

[KJJ]

Martellus Bennett

There's only one player known as "MB" on the Cowboys and it's not Bennett. I guess he didn't know how to spell Martellus.

 

[KJJ]

You seem pretty immature by calling people lazy-idiot-immature, maybe you are the lazy one that is keeping track of all that Martellus is doing away from football, trust me lil buddy you don't want to see half the players in the national football league b/c your opinion on Martellus would change drastically.... I am sure there are tons who smoke weed, party everyday, mess with tons of women, spend their money like crazy, abuse their girls, be a cocky and arrogant big shot.. You sound like you've been watching football for 2 years since Martellus has been in the league b/c you are just down right crazy to think he is the most immature player you have ever seen, you are going to keep seeing this trend so get used to it.. New group of kids, new social media with the twitter-ustream-*******-facebook. Another kid will replace Martellus for you in a year or 2 and you can get on his case too!! Here is some advice, please get a life and live your own and quit worrying about what a football player is doing that has nothing to do with you and isn't hurting you in any way-shape or form.. Thanks

Alot of fans have called Bennett lazy and immature. If he'd learn his damn assignments and make plays instead of dropping balls and not knowing where to lineup he wouldn't receive the backlash he does. It's fans criticizing him that made him start the video blog he posted cursing everyone who doesn't like his crap. If he wasn't immature he wouldn't have posted that video that only a few hrs later he took down because he was advised to do so by people he knows who use better judgment. There's alot of immature players out there but I haven't seen any who post the offensive crap he does online and use the language he does knowing kids are viewing. He has a responsibility as an NFL player to proudly represent the organization. I have no problem with players who post on Twitter or Youtube but the ones who do are respectful and don't post offensive material and bash fans with profanity who don't like it. You don't see players or entertainers venting and cursing fans online who don't like them. It's so Tila Tequila it's ridiculous. When you're a professional athlete who's in the public eye you can't come online acting like some guy who works at Walmart. What an athlete says and does is going affect alot of people who follow his team and the NFL. Bennett acts like some big shot rapper and doesn't even have the talent. Not that rappers have any talent they're just thugs who can't sing.

 

[iceberg]

Go do your research and find a player drafted in the second round this past decade who set their team back more than Quincy Carter set the Cowboys back. You're going to have to find a team who's second round pick was their TOP pick that season and was a QB they REACHED for by trading up...good luck! :toast:

dude - do i look like your reflection? no. i'm not stupid and won't even begin to touch this bet until we define "bust" in more terms than your hate.

define "bust" and make sure it's on terms that can be universally applied and let's BOTH go do research.

or you just runnin off at the mouth?

we know the answer, i'm just proving it.

 

[iceberg]

Only someone childish would say using emoticons weaken a persons stance. LOL You follow me around crying about something in every thread I start which is childish and clearly weakens your stance. If Adam thinks he's so clued up about the NFL and all 32 teams let him speak for himself and post some detailed analysis on all 19 teams he claimed had worse second round picks than the Cowboys. Don't try speaking for me either. I've been following the Cowboys AND the NFL since the 71 season. I don't need to give an in depth analysis on all 32 NFL teams second round picks from the last 10 years to know the the Cowboys second round picks have been terrible as a whole. It's been brought up by many in the Dallas media how poor the Cowboys have drafted in the second round since 2000.

We've drafted one real solid player who was a keeper and that was it. We REACHED for an AVERAGE QB with our top pick in 01 who would have been sitting there 2 rounds later and we even traded up for him in a desperate attempt to replace a hall of fame QB. Picking Carter helped destroy the Joey Galloway deal that cost us two #1's a year earlier. I can't think of a more damaging pick in franchise history than the selection of Carter in 01. It was no doubt Jerry's biggest blunder and the team paid for it dearly the next few years. It led to a series of bad things including having to suffer with old man Vinny 3 years later.

1. then quit starting childish threads and 2) *every thread*.

busted in a lie again.