For All You Conspiracy Nuts

[blindzebra]

* Look at the Moorman photo. Jackie is not blocking a possible headshot. Also closer you can separate as your target is closer.

* The pristine bullet should have been more damaged and it tumbled and bounced through bones. It is called the pristine bullet because it wasn't messed up.

*So 3 shots,so how did James Tague get hit by a ricochet at the underpass? That is 4 shots.

*Oswald knows David Ferrie and is located in the same building with different addresses and also former FBI Guy Bannister in New Orleans and that is not suspicious???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Banister


*David Ferrie knows Oswald and Jack Ruby

*Clay Shaw has in his house the names of Oswald & Ferrie as guest.

Jack Ruby loved JFK and that is why he shot Oswald but Ruby had been a volunteer for Nixon?

There is a conspiracy

Oh, brother there was no wound to JFK on the left side of his head. He was not shot from the front. He was not shot from the side. He was not shot by the driver. He was not shot by a secret service agent in the follow up car. He was not shot from the sewer. He was not shot from the over pass. He was not shot from the grassy knoll.

Just after the car turned onto Elm street and Oswald's shot was obstructed by a tree and traffic light the first shot was fired. It grazed the light and was deflected past the limo and struck the curb wounding Tague. The second shot hit Kennedy in the upper back came out his neck and started to tumble because it nicked a vertebra and the restriction in his neck from his tie knot. The bullet hit Connolly going sideways in the armpit, broke a rib, his wrist and then lodged in his thigh. One more time the bullet was not pristine, that is a myth. They have conclusively proved that the magic bullet could have, and did, hit both JFK and Connolly. Computer analysis as well as real world tests show beyond any doubt that a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD hit JFK and then Connolly. The trajectory matches 100%, the wounds match 100%, their locations in the limo match 100%. The last shot hit JFK just above the knobby part on the base of the skull and blew out the right and top of his head. You can clearly see the wound in the Zapruder film. Two fragments from the head shot were found in the limo after striking the chrome around the windshield and the windshield. Those fragments 100% matched Oswald's ammo.

All of that Clay Shaw stuff is complete BS. Garrison was a whack job and a crook. Oliver Stone completely fabricated the facts.

Oswald was a narcissist and a sociopath. He thought he was meant to be famous and wanted to stand out. That is why he joined the marines and professed his hatred of the USA. It is why he wanted to defect to Russia. It is why when he wasn't looked at as an asset to the Russians he wanted to come back. He abused his wife. He attempted to assassinate General Walker and when the narrow window pain caused his shot to miss, he moved on to a bigger target.

Think about it. If the mob did it, why have a mob wannabe like Ruby kill Oswald? Wouldn't that make it too obvious? The same goes for the Russians and Cubans. Oswald's weird past linked him to both so why use him?

The simple facts are that all the evidence points directly at Oswald and not one scrap of evidence suggests anyone else was involved. The vast majority of witnesses heard 3 shots and almost all thought they came from behind. The trouble is that 54 years have passed and so many completely fabricated 'facts' have tainted perceptions. The war in Vietnam and Watergate ruined people's faith in government and made it easy to think that something sinister happened. You have people like Robert Groden who have made an entire career out of propagating theories for personal gain, who when even faced with scientific facts on national TV still wouldn't budge from his 40 years of ranting made up theories.

The true conspiracy is the people who have made a cottage industry out of the tragic death of a President at the hands of an insignificant loser who wanted to be somebody just for their personal gain.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

The simple facts are that all the evidence points directly at Oswald and not one scrap of evidence suggests anyone else was involved.

All the evidence you have accepted as facts for Oswald.

 

[blindzebra]

All the evidence you have accepted as facts for Oswald.

No, it is the physical evidence. Finger prints, ballistics, medical, eye witness testimony that was given the day of or shortly after and not years later. You know the stuff that would convict you in a trial and not the wacked out theories based on rumors, lies, and fabrications all for personal gain.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

No, it is the physical evidence. Finger prints, ballistics, medical, eye witness testimony that was given the day of or shortly after and not years later. You know the stuff that would convict you in a trial and not the wacked out theories based on rumors, lies, and fabrications all for personal gain.

I guess you exclude the many witness that were killed that talked about the grassy knoll. As for finger prints, the print that was taken from Oswald after his death and used on the rifle. Or maybe the JFK autopsy photos that were altered afterwards, or JFK's front limo windshield that was replaced soon after the shooting because witnesses at the hospital, when JFK was taken in, saw the damage that was done on it.

 

[timb2]

Operation Mockingbird


Heart Attack Gun--Listen to what she talks about near the end.

 

[jwooten15]

@timb2

Man, you have given a LOT of thought to all of these possible conspiracies!
I'd drive myself nuts if I did that haha. But a lot of the points you bring up are pretty intriguing.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

 

[timb2]

Oh, brother there was no wound to JFK on the left side of his head. He was not shot from the front. He was not shot from the side. He was not shot by the driver. He was not shot by a secret service agent in the follow up car. He was not shot from the sewer. He was not shot from the over pass. He was not shot from the grassy knoll.

Just after the car turned onto Elm street and Oswald's shot was obstructed by a tree and traffic light the first shot was fired. It grazed the light and was deflected past the limo and struck the curb wounding Tague. The second shot hit Kennedy in the upper back came out his neck and started to tumble because it nicked a vertebra and the restriction in his neck from his tie knot. The bullet hit Connolly going sideways in the armpit, broke a rib, his wrist and then lodged in his thigh. One more time the bullet was not pristine, that is a myth. They have conclusively proved that the magic bullet could have, and did, hit both JFK and Connolly. Computer analysis as well as real world tests show beyond any doubt that a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD hit JFK and then Connolly. The trajectory matches 100%, the wounds match 100%, their locations in the limo match 100%. The last shot hit JFK just above the knobby part on the base of the skull and blew out the right and top of his head. You can clearly see the wound in the Zapruder film. Two fragments from the head shot were found in the limo after striking the chrome around the windshield and the windshield. Those fragments 100% matched Oswald's ammo.

All of that Clay Shaw stuff is complete BS. Garrison was a whack job and a crook. Oliver Stone completely fabricated the facts.

Oswald was a narcissist and a sociopath. He thought he was meant to be famous and wanted to stand out. That is why he joined the marines and professed his hatred of the USA. It is why he wanted to defect to Russia. It is why when he wasn't looked at as an asset to the Russians he wanted to come back. He abused his wife. He attempted to assassinate General Walker and when the narrow window pain caused his shot to miss, he moved on to a bigger target.

Think about it. If the mob did it, why have a mob wannabe like Ruby kill Oswald? Wouldn't that make it too obvious? The same goes for the Russians and Cubans. Oswald's weird past linked him to both so why use him?

The simple facts are that all the evidence points directly at Oswald and not one scrap of evidence suggests anyone else was involved. The vast majority of witnesses heard 3 shots and almost all thought they came from behind. The trouble is that 54 years have passed and so many completely fabricated 'facts' have tainted perceptions. The war in Vietnam and Watergate ruined people's faith in government and made it easy to think that something sinister happened. You have people like Robert Groden who have made an entire career out of propagating theories for personal gain, who when even faced with scientific facts on national TV still wouldn't budge from his 40 years of ranting made up theories.

The true conspiracy is the people who have made a cottage industry out of the tragic death of a President at the hands of an insignificant loser who wanted to be somebody just for their personal gain.

*Bullet hits from the left in the middle of JFK's head and goes out the right side. An angle////////////

*This is the magical pristine bullet that hits JFK & Connoley multiple times and it looks barely damaged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-bullet_theory#/media/File:CE399side.jpg

* Helms admits under Oath Clay Shaw worked for the CIA.
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100helms.html


*Oswald in New Orleans at 544 Camp Street(Fair Play for Cuba)
*Ferrie & Bannister at 531 Lafayette Street(Private Investigator Offices)
*SAME BUILDING For all 3

*Ruby corrected District Attorney Henry Wade at the news press conference that Oswald's group was "Fair Play For Cuba" pretending to be a news reporter. ,Oswald most likely a member of the CIA's Defector Program.. How else does he get back in the USA so easily from the Soviet Union? When Oswald defected that U2 spy pilot Gary Powers was shot down within a month. Oswald was a Marine radio man.Russia had picked up that U2 radio waves.. Ruby stalked Oswald within 90 minutes of him being arrested because he loved JFK so much but Jack Ruby had campaigned for Richard Nixon and later in that earlier youtube says LBJ is responsible. So is Ruby a Democrat or a Republican? Officier Tippit is dead but looks like the Grassy Knoll shooter and Oswald is dead in a few days. What does the mob do to it's hitmen after a hit? They rub them out to keep them silent. Even if someone has to go down for The Family... Sure strip club owners are never shady characters..

 

[blindzebra]

I guess you exclude the many witness that were killed that talked about the grassy knoll. As for finger prints, the print that was taken from Oswald after his death and used on the rifle. Or maybe the JFK autopsy photos that were altered afterwards, or JFK's front limo windshield that was replaced soon after the shooting because witnesses at the hospital, when JFK was taken in, saw the damage that was done on it.

LOL, dig deeper and stop believing everything the people making money off of sheep tell you.

 

[blindzebra]

@timb2

Man, you have given a LOT of thought to all of these possible conspiracies!
I'd drive myself nuts if I did that haha. But a lot of the points you bring up are pretty intriguing.

Thought is not part of the equation and I think he did drive himself there.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

LOL, dig deeper and stop believing everything the people making money off of sheep tell you.

Right back at you.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

 

[SlammedZero]

Speaking of conspiracies, has anybody else watched The Keepers on Netflix?

 

[blindzebra]

Once again a myth. Read Case Closed, Gerald Posner exposes this very thing. Conspiracy theorists would include anyone even remotely associated to the event. They would include people who clearly died of natural causes 10,20, even 30 years after the assassination. They even included people who say they witnessed 3 shots from behind in their mysterious deaths. So these conspirators killed people many years later, who supported the official storyline, yet allowed some of the most damning witnesses to the official view live to this day.

The whole thing is ridiculous, these masterminds that have remained hidden for 54 years used or framed Oswald who could easily be traced back to them. They allowed witnesses to live and tell their stories for decades before deciding to shut them up and let countless others live to this day. So which is it? Because it is hard to fathom how a conspiracy that would need to be huge in numbers to pull off could remain hidden all of this time and yet could have done such incredibly stupid things along the way.

 

[casmith07]

I'm sorry JFK was assassinated, but the controversy over his death has kept me fascinated for most of my life. I've read many of the books, watched many of the specials and for every (potential) angle of possible misdeed within the government or "proof" that Oswald either wasn't the shooter or didn't act alone there is more "proof" out there that he was a lone gunman.

At this point I don't think anyone can prove any explanation is 100% accurate– Even the one as Oswald being the lone shooter who did this entirely on his own. Too many loose ends with the investigation, the autopsy, the day of the shooting and other factors have completely washed away the ability to be 100% certain.

And that's probably how it will be for the rest of time.

Think that's fascinating? Look up the conspiracy stuff about MLK. And then consider a lot of the timing and social stuff surrounding them both.

Sometimes I wonder how much Cuba and Russia had to do with JFK.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Think that's fascinating? Look up the conspiracy stuff about MLK. And then consider a lot of the timing and social stuff surrounding them both.

Sometimes I wonder how much Cuba and Russia had to do with JFK.

I've spent some time studying both the MLK and the RFK assassinations.

What a head-shaking time in US history.

 

[casmith07]

I've spent some time studying both the MLK and the RFK assassinations.

What a head-shaking time in US history.

I think MLK's was pretty obvious, with equality and civil rights at the forefront. Not much has changed these days, but at least community leaders aren't getting gunned down like back then (King, Medgar Evers, Malcolm).

I think JFK's could be equally as much his willingness to appease civil rights advocates during that time as it could be some secret stuff. RFK is probably involved with that as well.

I mean, it all could've just been mob hits over unpaid gambling debts, too.

 

[arglebargle]

No, it is the physical evidence. Finger prints, ballistics, medical, eye witness testimony that was given the day of or shortly after and not years later. You know the stuff that would convict you in a trial and not the wacked out theories based on rumors, lies, and fabrications all for personal gain.

My problem has always been with the drive to get an acceptable, approved story of the incident. Katzenbach had already delivered what was the kernel of the approved public version of the Warren Commission report, only 5 days after the assassination.

Allan Dulles, appointed as chief investigator, hated Kennedy, and was in the perfect position to massage any and all data. Dulles was also quoted, in another investigation of the murder of an American journalist in Greece, as saying, 'Okay, who do we pin this one on?'

The loss of the Kennedy's brain. Which would pretty conclusively have identified where the bullets came from.

I am absolutely convinced that the Warren Commission's conclusions were pre-written before it was even constituted. As to who actually did what? Well, that's the rub, isn't it?

 

[arglebargle]

As far as the moon landing thing goes, I've got a very good friend who was part of the first lunar lander team at NASA. He's absolutely not a government stooge. If it were a trick, he'd have talked about it. NASA just had too many moving parts to do a reasonable cover up.

Again, going after every contrived story just helps discredit the very real conspiracies that are going on. If Alex Jones didn't exist, the CIA would have to invent him.

 

[timb2]

Orville Nix film you can see the limo put it's brakes on. Secret Service drivers are trained if you hear gunshots to floor it,but this guy the driver Bill Greer stopped and the brake light goes off near Mary Moorman and also in front of the Grassy knoll.