For The TO Fans... A Highlight Video

[khiladi]

This is not even taking into account the philosophy of Garrett, which is predicated on the "I" receiver. He is the primary target for the passing game per Garrett's own philosophy. The fact that he gets thrown to more than other players means absolutely nothing in the context of the offense, especially in the context of the pass ratio as evident in the Commanders game. Roy Williams is taking over that role, and he is going to be the primary target of this offense. Teams double TO because they knew the offense would sputter when taken out of the game. In fact, it was realized last year when TO went out against the Panthers. The offense went to a dead halt and looked pathetic going into the play-offs. They couldn't even get Romo the passing record against the Commanders, and Barber ran for like negative yardage.

 

[ethiostar]

Can we pull the plug on this thread already? I don't think this is what the OP had in mind when he started this thread.

:horse::horse::horse:

TO IS NO LONGER HERE!!!!

 

[Hoofbite]

Can we pull the plug on this thread already? I don't think this is what the OP had in mind when he started this thread.

:horse::horse::horse:

TO IS NO LONGER HERE!!!!

Oh, he's here. He's here in spirit.

 

[khiladi]

Can we pull the plug on this thread already? I don't think this is what the OP had in mind when he started this thread.

:horse::horse::horse:


TO IS NO LONGER HERE!!!!

Can we talk about how dumb Garrett was last year then?

 

[DallasDomination]

I will miss the T.O on the field...

 

[Undisputed]

Garrett runs a quick-strike offense and if things don't go his wah, he panics.

This is one of my biggest problems with Garrett and is exactly what happened in the Washington game. We run a nice, balanced offense when we get an early lead, as with Green Bay. However, when we fall behind just a little Red Jesus absolutely loses his mind and gets pass-happy.

I just can't stand watching this guy run our offense. I just hope he proves me wrong in 09.

 

[ethiostar]

Can we talk about how dumb Garrett was last year then?

Anything but..........

I sure hope Garrett can adjust to defenses during games better this year. It will help if everyone stays healthy.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Actually, it isn't self-evident. Your whole argument is predicated on the fact that it was because of TO that Marion Barber got only 8 carries. Your facts ignore many things, among them:1. The Commanders dominated the TOP by over ten minutes in this game, while in Green Bay, Dallas was ahead from the get-go and they could afford to run more.

You don't seem to understand the TOP statistic fully.

The Cowboys were dominated in TOP because they ran only 11 times, and threw 47 passes with 19 incompletions. You see, in American football, an incomplete pass stops the clock, and when the clock isn't running, the offense isn't adding anything to its TOP.

Conversely, the Commanders dominated TOP because they ran 37 times, and passed only 31 times.

Of the Cowboys 19 clock-stopping incompletions, 12 (63 percent) were passes to TO. And because the Cowboys were trying to placate TO, they failed to give their running backs additional carries, which would've evened out TOP. Furthermore, the Cowboys had no need to force passes to TO or to throw 47 times; they were within one score of the lead throughout most of the game.

The Green Bay game was the same story, but the actors changed roles: The Cowboys had more rushing attempts than their opponent and, therefore, dominated TOP.

2. You ignore the fact that Miles Austin was targetted way more in this game and played a hefty portion more than he even sniffed on the field at Green Bay.

I haven't ignored anything regarding Miles Austin. I'm discussing the effectiveness with which Miles Austin was utilized.

Miles Austin was very effective in the Green Bay game because the Cowboys were patient and persistent with run. He was less effective against Washington because the Cowboys abandoned the run in order to appease one player.

3. Your ignore the fact that Witten was targetted almost as much as TO and in fact Crayton caught the ball seven times, dhowing that Crayton became a primary target in this game.

I've already disproved this assertion: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2818660&postcount=186

 

[ScipioCowboy]

"In fact, almost half of Witten's receiving yards for the game came during the last drive." It is the same point. That doesn't mean Witten wasn't targetted... He was in fact targetted about as much as TO. For example, on the first two drives, Witten was targetted at least once. Miles Austin was targetted as well. Owens was targetted twice the first drive, the first play him catching the ball for 7 yards. The second time he was targetted was a fly-pattern on first and ten, with man help on Owens. If anything, that is all on Garrett. On the SECOND DRIVE, TO wasn't targetted at all. Witten was and Miles Austin got his fare share.

Launching the ball to TO on deep routes, while he is double-covered, on 3rd and long isn't called targetting TO, nor can one blame TO. Garrett should be called "2nd and Long" coach, because he always puts the team in un-manageable situations with his must score on one-play mentality.

So, according to you, it's Garrett's fault when TO fails to catch a pass thrown in his direction.

Fascinating.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

It is obvious who is doing the analysis and who isn't. You keep making a series of assertions that aren't supported by a single shred of evidence. You first made the assertion that Dallas ignored Miles Austin in the Commanders game which was wrong. He was targetted plenty in this game and your IGNORING THIS REALITY. So if this is the case, your argument that they were trying to placate TO and not go to Miles Austin, is without any foundation. You said Dallas ignored Marion Barber to placate Owens, and that was shown to be wrong. Besides the fact that your not counting PASSES to Barber, you ignored the fact that the Commanders totally dominated the TOP, which made Dallas go pass first. Again, you were wrong. You also neglect the fact that CRAYTON CAUGHT THE BALL SEVEN TIMES THIS GAME, along with the fact they went to Miles Austin more often than not. You again, assert they were trying to placate Owens, yet Crayton got one of, if not the highest, amongt of passes all year in this game. You also include a series of passes that were just horrenous play-calls by Garrett in that number as 'targetted' as if it is TOs fault for calling a fade route on 3rd and 10 into double-coverage or it is TOs fault for the pass in the flat by Garrett, when the CB is playing press coverage.

You're failing to understand the difference between the number of times a player catches a pass and the number of times he's targeted by a pass.

The fact that Owens, Witten, and Crayton all had the same amount of receptions (7) does not mean they were all featured equally in the offense. Owens was thrown 19 passes, meaning he was targeted 19 times. The next closest receiver was Witten, who was targeted 10 times. That's a wide disparity, especially considering Owens was failing to get open.

Owens was thrown to or handed the ball more times than Witten and Barber combined. So, yes, the facts of the matter provide excellent support for my argument.

Furthermore, that Owens only snagged 7 passes despite being targeted 19 times does not, in any way, detract from my argument. However, it does demonstrate the following points:

1) The uncompromising determination of the Cowboys coaching staff to force the ball to Owens.

2) Owens' inability to get open.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

It doesn't bolster any argument, because you ignore what I already stated. I was the one that brought the stat in the first place.

So?

It isn't my fault if you fail to understand the difference between evidence that supports your argument and evidence that supports mine.

Is it TOs fault for Garrett calling for a fade route to TO in double-coverage on 3rd in ten? Was it TOs fault for Garrett to be operating out of shot-gun the whole time? These were consistent staples of the Cowboys offense no matter who they were trying to go to. You also ignore the fact that the prior drive, coming out of the half, Dallas went to TO 3 times out of 5, scoring a TD. They used TO effectively in that drive. The reason they went to TO is because TO pretty much got them a TD the very first drive of the second half. The fact that Garrett went stupid and didn't take advanatge of this fact is Garrett's fault. Their offense couldn't get anything going. They tried mixing drives up with Barber, Witten and Miules Austin and it didn't work.You also ignore the fact that in the very next drive, they didn't go to Owens at all, and Romo threw a pick while trying to go to Miles Austin.

The offense "couldn't get anything going" because it was forcing the ball to TO in order to placate him. You can cherry pick plays and drives all you want, but the reality of the situation will not change: In the Washington game, Owens had more passing and rushing attempts than Barber and Witten combined, and the Cowboys lost. In the Green Bay game, the Cowboys were persistent with run and didn't force the ball to TO, and they won.

 

[5Stars]

So?

It isn't my fault if you fail to understand the difference between evidence that supports your argument and evidence that supports mine.



The offense "couldn't get anything going" because it was forcing the ball to TO in order to placate him. You can cherry pick plays and drives all you want, but the reality of the situation will not change: In the Washington game, Owens had more passing and rushing attempts than Barber and Witten combined, and the Cowboys lost. In the Green Bay game, the Cowboys were persistent with run and didn't force the ball to TO, and they won.

What happened to "Little T Learns to Share"...





:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

But you were saying it was injuries that caused Dallas to lose... Now all of the sudden they lost because they were forcing the ball to TO?

No, that isn't what I am saying. I've already explained this to you.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

No, that isn't what I am saying. I've already explained this to you.

Hos, I've been perusing the passing tree you sent me, and I have yet to find any magic routes. Are you sure you gave me the correct one?

 

[bbgun]

The only thing I'll say in his favor is that a lot of balls "thrown in his direction" were simply uncatchable, either because Tony or Brad were rushed or they simply threw a bad pass. The Cincy game and the home game vs. the Skins come to mind. None of this, however, changes the fact that he had to go.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

What happened to "Little T Learns to Share"...





:laugh2:

It was only temporary.:

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The only thing I'll say in his favor is that a lot of balls "thrown in his direction" were simply uncatchable, either because Tony or Brad were rushed or they simply threw a bad pass. The Cincy game and the home game vs. the Skins come to mind. None of this, however, changes the fact that he had to go.

Unquestionably, a number of those passes were uncatchable. However, the issue still remains: Why were they so intent on forcing the ball to TO -- even at the expense of taking away carries from Barber and Jones?

 

[bbgun]

Unquestionably, a number of those passes were uncatchable. However, the issue still remains: Why were they so intent on forcing the ball to TO -- even at the expense of taking away carries from Barber and Jones?

Because the team owner publicly sided with TO, putting Garrett in a terrible spot.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Because the team owner publicly sided with TO, putting Garrett in a terrible spot.

We again return to the crux of the matter -- the culture that Jones has created within the Cowboys organization over the past decade, of which TO is merely a symptom.

But will a billboard fix it?:

 

[Arch Stanton]

Because the team owner publicly sided with TO, putting Garrett in a terrible spot.

....and so did the HC. Roberto Duran is now in Buffalo.

What goes around, comes around. Good riddance.