For The Torry Holt Crowd... **Updated** Holt released (post #72)

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BehindEnemyLinez;2688780 said:
Hey, if JJ's worried about doing a u-turn on why he got rid of T.O., he could argue that Torry's 3 years younger! Good route runner, good hands, good attitude...the only way I'd be against Holt coming to Dallas would be if he commanded a hefty salary. Hurd & Stanback seem destined to be JAGs and Austin has been injury-prone; why not bring in a durable, consisitent WR to solidify the corps?!

That's my thinking durability, productivity and chemistry wise. Hurd is definitely a lifetime JAG and Stanback hasn't even earned the label JAG, that's how bad it's been with him. Our WR corps is not a team strength by any means as is. We're going to be injury plagued there all year as is. Mark my words.
 

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As per KFFL.com,

49ers | Could be interested in Holt
Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:58:53 -0700

Updating a previous item, John Crumpacker, of the San Francisco Chronicle, reports the San Francisco 49ers might be interested in free-agent WR Torry Holt (Rams) at the right price.
 

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Ultra Warrior;2688470 said:
Holt has won a Super Bowl. Owens didn't. The young WRs would gain more from a WR who has WON at the highest peak you can get than one who wasn't able to help us get 1 playoff win.

I wasn't a T.O. fan, but I don't see how Holt being here would be much different than T.O. being here based on your argument.

So what if Holt won a Super Bowl? T.O. played in a Super Bowl.

What is Holt going to tell the Cowboys young WRs that T.O. couldn't?
I had a better quarterback that's why we won? We had better receivers, that's why we won? :huh:

No one questioned T.O.'s work ethic. I doubt Holt has a better one than T.O.

So I fail to see how adding him, based on your argument, would help the Cowboys young WRs.
 

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At the right price he would be a good addition. He definitely would create competetion and cause Crayton to have work hard. Hurd is never going to be a standout reciever, why not take a look.
 

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AKATheRake;2688832 said:
That's my thinking durability, productivity and chemistry wise. Hurd is definitely a lifetime JAG and Stanback hasn't even earned the label JAG, that's how bad it's been with him. Our WR corps is not a team strength by any means as is. We're going to be injury plagued there all year as is. Mark my words.

I'm going to qualify my remarks here.

I do not know much of Holt's game. Not sure how close he is to the player I know he was 3-4 years ago.
So I'm not going to stand on my head screaming that we have to sign this guy.

With that said, I don't understand how many here are 100% against the move.

Who's roster spot you worried about?
Who's reduced playing time concerns you?

Are you worried that signing Holt would mean that either HURD, STANBACH or the rookie we draft won't make the roster?

This simply comes down to our team evaluating Tory Holt. How good is he? What's his value? And what can he do for our team?
 

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Sandman;2688886 said:
At the right price he would be a good addition. He definitely would create competetion and cause Crayton to have work hard. .

Crayton's always worked hard. I dont know how someone could think otherwise. The guy was a 7th rd pick former QB from a tiny school, and turned himself into a quality NFL player as a WR.
 

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The 49ers tried to act like they didn't want him to drive down demand.

They've got a fetish for over-the-hill Ram's wide-outs though.
 

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sonnyboy;2688906 said:
I'm going to qualify my remarks here.

I do not know much of Holt's game. Not sure how close he is to the player I know he was 3-4 years ago.
So I'm not going to stand on my head screaming that we have to sign this guy.

With that said, I don't understand how many here are 100% against the move.

Who's roster spot you worried about?
Who's reduced playing time concerns you?

Are you worried that signing Holt would mean that either HURD, STANBACH or the rookie we draft won't make the roster?

This simply comes down to our team evaluating Tory Holt. How good is he? What's his value? And what can he do for our team?

All fair questions. Here is my view regarding answering your questions.

We don't HAVE to sign anybody in FA but we can add value to the roster and team by doing so if its the right talent, character and price. Don't know what Holt's price would be, I'm thinking we could do 2 years almost $5 million a season for his skill set and come out substantial winners on that deal.

Holt isn't as fast as he was 3-4 years ago but he's still plenty fast and a vertical threat much more so than RW. There is no reason he wouldn't get 60 catches, 900-1,100 yards and 7 TD's a season with a reasonable offense. His route running and hands are as good as it gets in the game. He's a team first, not looking for camera shots type of player that has been to the SB twice and won 1. He excells in offenses where there are many explosive components and another WR across from him of #1 WR pedigree.

None of our current WR's roster spots other than RW's concern me because none of them, including Crayton have earned playing time over a Torry Holt or RW. Hurd, Austin and Stanback are not WR's you can trust to start 16 games in a season, they are too injury prone and 3 years of history has shown this. Austin has never caught more than 13 balls in a season and has never started an NFL football game. We're relying on him to be the #2, catch 40-60 balls and start 14-16 games? In 10 seasons Torry Holt played 16 games every season accept for 1 where he did play 14 and still got over 1,300 yards. He is 1 year removed from the pro bowl and has been an all pro 7 times.

If we had Holt and RW those would be 2 of the startings WR spots and rightfully so. Crayton Austin and Hurd can fight for the 3rd, 4th and 5th spot. Stanback needs to be cut and possibly Hurd to if a rookie comes in and pushes him. None of these guys other than Austin worries me if they lose playing time. Crayton is what he is and he will not develop any further. If we don't get Holt Crayton remains a big factor for us because he is the 2nd most durable WR we have after RW who also has had durability issues in the past.

Getting Holt does not mean any of the other WR's mentioned would not make the roster. That would depend on whether we want to keep 6 WR's which I think 5 is more than enough. Stanback can get cut or go to practice squad if need be. He's eaten up a roster spot for years an we haven't received any return on him.

So I hope this tellsyou a bit more about what Holt can offer the WR corps and team as a whole and what my perception of the current WR corps is. It looks like approx. 7/10 Cowboy fans want Holt here if we can get a fair deal done.
 

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I like Holt. He would have the best hands on the team and is faster than Crayton. He would be our 1a receiver IMO. I think he is better now than Stanback and Hurd will ever be. He has fewer years left than Crayton but as soon as Holt starts slowing down he will be Crayton.
 

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If Jerry Jones picks up Holt, it pretty much confirms the fact that he is full of crap when it comes to TO. He specifically said the release had to do with giving the young guys a chance to step up and play.
 

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khiladi;2689349 said:
If Jerry Jones picks up Holt, it pretty much confirms the fact that he is full of crap when it comes to TO. He specifically said the release had to do with giving the young guys a chance to step up and play.


it dont take signing Holt to realize that...everyone knows the real reasons T.O. got cut......JJ is just sugar coating it
 

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khiladi;2689349 said:
If Jerry Jones picks up Holt, it pretty much confirms the fact that he is full of crap when it comes to TO. He specifically said the release had to do with giving the young guys a chance to step up and play.

Jerry Jones full of crap? Our Jerry? You really think the reason he gave for ridding the team of owens was what Jerry said?:lmao2:
 

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DanTanna;2689322 said:
I like Holt. He would have the best hands on the team and is faster than Crayton. He would be our 1a receiver IMO. I think he is better now than Stanback and Hurd will ever be. He has fewer years left than Crayton but as soon as Holt starts slowing down he will be Crayton.

If we got Holt I think it would make Jerry compelled to not go after a guy in the 2nd or 3rd. I think we need to get a smaller shiftier WR in our group to compliment our long striders. Holt would just hold back the progress of Austin and the draft pick.

I think this is a great draft to get a guy in the 3rd to middle rounds that can make an impact. And Holt's contract wouldn't help our situation with Ware.
 

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Holt would be a good pickup for 2 years at 5m a year. He would bump Stanback or Hurd or a sixth WR who would be cheaper. He would take time away from Austin assuming no injuries to Holt or RW assuming Austin is going to take snaps from Crayton.

If Austin is going to be a threat as a #2 then Holt is not necessary. Of course having weapons is a good thing in a war and the more numbers, ammunition, and power the better.

I'd focus on the lines, draft, and play of Romo and see what happens. I think a big NT and OL depth is much more important than another WR. But if you can have it all then I'm ok with that, too.
 

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No more old players. Why is Greg Ellis still here? The 49ers can have Tory Holt. Old players block young draft picks and players who have talent to play. NO.
 

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Hostile;2686370 said:
9ers showing no interest in Pace or Holt

Matt Maiocco of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat reports the 49ers are showing no interest "right now" in former Rams tackle Orlando Pace or receiver Torry Holt, who is on the trade block. Holt will likely be released by next week if the Rams can't find a trade partner.
Saints could use him.
 

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Ultra Warrior;2688470 said:
Holt has won a Super Bowl. Owens didn't. The young WRs would gain more from a WR who has WON at the highest peak you can get than one who wasn't able to help us get 1 playoff win.
comparing Holt to the HOFer is like comparing Romo to Warner, no contest.
 

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Clove;2689595 said:
comparing Holt to the HOFer is like comparing Romo to Warner, no contest.
you're right cause Holt is a winner and the "hofer" will forever be a loser.
 

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Rampage;2689596 said:
you're right cause Holt is a winner and the "hofer" will forever be a loser.
Not at going to the HOF.

Romo should actually call the HOFer up and thank him for allowing him to be a nobody, then throw to one of the greatest receivers to touch a football, allowing him to steal a huge contract from Jones.

Our QB is an undrafted player because he did not have what it takes to be a winner in this league, the sooner we as fans understand this, we can move on and get back to drafting our future star.
 
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