For Those Saying We Can't Contend Next Season

[dboy214]

Check out this link and this will tell you what our problem is. Look at our drafts since 2005. Just look at how many guys are no longer here. Look at the guys who are currently starters on. There aren't many.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/draft.htm

exactly.

with the new CBA rules, it puts extra importance on hitting on our draft picks. get good players who can contribute early and save a lot of money that way.

this draft, i don't want to see any projects or injured players. if jerry drafts another injured player im going ape ****.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It could happen, but history with this team says it probably will not.

I think we would have to have a stellar FA and Draft for things to change a great deal not to mention getting rid of a group of players.

I just don't know if you can complete that process in just one offseason.

I think we might be able to fix one side of the ball and hope that side of the ball can overcome the other side of the balls deficiencies.

In other words if we somehow revamp the online, our players on offense stay healthy and we put up huge numbers and outscore other teams even if our defense is bad...it "could" happen but probably not going to happen.

You can have teams that do things like that but even then at some point their defense has to step up to a degree.

But we are talking about trying to revamp both the offense and defense (oline, d line, OLB, secondary and ILB)...that is a tall order.

Well said BP, but I don't view all the positions of need equally. There were some guys who greatly underperformed as opposed to some others who were just below average?

Newman was very bad. Elam was below averge.

The REAL BAD positions need immediate shoring... 1 corner spot, 1 ILB spot, 1 DE spot, 1 guard spot, center.

That's 5 spots.

The draft may help with 3 of those.

Hopefully 2 guys from either free agency or within the club can fix the remaining two spots.

 

[sonnyboy]

Musts: at least one CB, interior OL, ILB (preferably that's Carter), a pass rusher (either DE or SOLB preferably DE)

Shoulds: another interior OL, safety, another CB

Wants: developmental QB, 3rd down RB/KR/PR, a Megatron, swing tackle, another athletic ILB, DBs, INTs......J/K

This is the list. The musts and good health could put us in contention.

 

[jobberone]

yep and how many top free agents have been jumping at the opportunity to play in Dallas lately?

I will say, the best thing to happen to us in FA last year was Nnamdi choosing Philly. No need to throw big money at 30 year old CBs.

Again, you can hit on FAs but you need to be very careful. These are for filling one or at most two holes a year. Looking for superstars is a problem. Looking for solid players to patch a hole in the tire can be helpful.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Again, you can hit on FAs but you need to be very careful. These are for filling one or at most two holes a year. Looking for superstars is a problem. Looking for solid players to patch a hole in the tire can be helpful.

We have had that problem to long. Sign big names, one destroyed the team that served our best chance in years to do some thing. Hope Garrett stops that from happening a while.

 

[dboy214]

Your overstating it. We need changes, we need upgrades and they will come. I'm confident far fewer are needed than most here believe. And more of our "answers" are young players already here than most realize.

we really need 1 of the 3....arkin, killer, or nagy to step up and take hold of one these starter spots.

i'm not holding my breath though considering arkin couldn't even get active one game all season, killer was undrafted, and nagy was a 7th rounder.

 

[sonnyboy]

Again, you can hit on FAs but you need to be very careful. These are for filling one or at most two holes a year. Looking for superstars is a problem. Looking for solid players to patch a hole in the tire can be helpful.

I was just discussing this in another thread. I believe paying huge dollars for the highest quality FAs pays off more often than not.

So long as the player is the right guy and plays as well as you thought he would. Never seen or heard of a team signing an expensive FA end up regretting it provided the guys plays up to expectations.

Two points I'm looking to make here and was considering starting a thread on it.

1) We need to go after the highest qulity FAs and succeed. 1-2 of them.
2) Failing to sign Nnamdi may very well have been the difference between 8-8 and 10-6.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I was just discussing this in another thread. I believe paying huge dollars for the highest quality FAs pays off more often than not.

So long as the player is the right guy and plays as well as you thought he would. Never seen or heard of a team signing an expensive FA end up regretting it provided the guys plays up to expectations.

Two points I'm looking to make here and was considering starting a thread on it.

1) We need to go after the highest qulity FAs and succeed. 1-2 of them.
2) Failing to sign Nnamdi may very well have been the difference between 8-8 and 10-6.[/QUOTE]

I don't think he played that well.

 

[Suave]

2009 draft class really hurts.

Yeah. Not having that first round pick hurt.

 

[dboy214]

I was just discussing this in another thread. I believe paying huge dollars for the highest quality FAs pays off more often than not.

So long as the player is the right guy and plays as well as you thought he would. Never seen or heard of a team signing an expensive FA end up regretting it provided the guys plays up to expectations.

Two points I'm looking to make here and was considering starting a thread on it.

1) We need to go after the highest qulity FAs and succeed. 1-2 of them.
2) Failing to sign Nnamdi may very well have been the difference between 8-8 and 10-6.

1. you are you going to overpay for any of the high priced guys. did we not learn our lesson about high priced free agents? is the reason romo was running for his life all season.

2. we should have went after jonathan joseph.

 

[nycowboyzfan]

Stop it just stop it. We can if we upgrade the offensive line. Look around the NFL some of the best teams in the league like the Packers, Saints, and Patriots all are ranked 20th or worse in total defense. Also even with all the issues we had this past season we could've very easily been 11-5 had we not given 3 key games away. @ the Jets, and Vs Detroit and NYG. This is a different day and age we don't need a great or even good defense to win, but we do need a better offensive line. If we can get one this team can contend next season.

Our secondary is non competetive. Im sorry but you do need some sort of a defense to compete in the NFL.

 

[jobberone]

I was just discussing this in another thread. I believe paying huge dollars for the highest quality FAs pays off more often than not.

So long as the player is the right guy and plays as well as you thought he would. Never seen or heard of a team signing an expensive FA end up regretting it provided the guys plays up to expectations.

Two points I'm looking to make here and was considering starting a thread on it.

1) We need to go after the highest qulity FAs and succeed. 1-2 of them.
2) Failing to sign Nnamdi may very well have been the difference between 8-8 and 10-6.

It's problematic but not necessarily impossible. Look at Herb Adderley. Lance Rentzel. Novacek. I'm thinking more like Teague. These are very cost effective esp in today's cap era.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think he played that well.

I didn't think so either, but even at 10-6, this team wasn't going to compete with either GB or NO.

It just wasn't.

And then to top it off you have another 30+ player, joining guys like Romo, Witten, Ratliff and soon to be Ware, who are going to need to be replaced in the not too distant future.

To heck with that. I want to see this team improved with guys 25 or less... Not 30 or over.

That's not how you build a longterm winning program.

 

[SWG9]

It could happen, but history with this team says it probably will not.

I think we would have to have a stellar FA and Draft for things to change a great deal not to mention getting rid of a group of players.

I just don't know if you can complete that process in just one offseason.

I think we might be able to fix one side of the ball and hope that side of the ball can overcome the other side of the balls deficiencies.

In other words if we somehow revamp the online, our players on offense stay healthy and we put up huge numbers and outscore other teams even if our defense is bad...it "could" happen but probably not going to happen.

You can have teams that do things like that but even then at some point their defense has to step up to a degree.

But we are talking about trying to revamp both the offense and defense (oline, d line, OLB, secondary and ILB)...that is a tall order.

I completely agree. It's foolish to say it's impossible, but it's a tall, tall order for even the most accomplished GM to pull off in one offseason. Truth be told, it would be tough to do it in two full offseasons.

We would have to nail free agency, nail the draft, and have almost every single youngish player on this roster improve in the offseason.

Not happening. IMO, we're closer to the basement than we are to the to the top.

Before you rip me, keep in mind we gave up 68 points to the Giants (losing both games) and 54 points to the Eagles (losing both games), not to mention that we only beat one team with a winning record.

If you can't beat the contenders in the division and the conference, it's that's much harder.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Our secondary is non competetive. Im sorry but you do need some sort of a defense to compete in the NFL.

The biggest problem in the secondary is Newman's spot.

Elam is below average, but not to the degree Newman was this year... His play was abysmal.

Put an above averge guy in Newman's spot and you'll see big differences in the defense... Even with Elam at safety.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The biggest problem in the secondary is Newman's spot.

Elam is below average, but not to the degree Newman was this year... His play was abysmal.

Put an above averge guy in Newman's spot and you'll see big differences in the defense... Even with Elam at safety.

Just about to post the same thing and I defended Tnew this season.
It's amazing the drop he made this year.

 

[sonnyboy]

I was just discussing this in another thread. I believe paying huge dollars for the highest quality FAs pays off more often than not.

So long as the player is the right guy and plays as well as you thought he would. Never seen or heard of a team signing an expensive FA end up regretting it provided the guys plays up to expectations.

Two points I'm looking to make here and was considering starting a thread on it.

1) We need to go after the highest qulity FAs and succeed. 1-2 of them.
2) Failing to sign Nnamdi may very well have been the difference between 8-8 and 10-6.[/QUOTE]

I don't think he played that well.

The eagles defense overall for about half the season played poorly. He was good, certainly better than Newman.

I was calling for us to replace Newman with Nnamdi and a few weeks later when FA started, it turns out that's exactly what we tried to do.

I can't say I know how good Nnamdi would have been here in 2011 and certainly not going forward into 2012 and beyond. I do know he played for Ryan and Ryan wanted him. I also know that the cap hit for him would not have been too much more than what Newman is slated to count for 2011-2014.

I do now know that we are looking to release/replace Newman for certain.
I also know that Newman cost us big time in cap dollars and poor performance this year.

 

[Bleu Star]

We have had that problem to long. Sign big names, one destroyed the team that served our best chance in years to do some thing. Hope Garrett stops that from happening a while.

:banjo:

:laugh2:

j/k man..

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Just about to post the same thing and I defended Tnew this season.
It's amazing the drop he made this year.

Stunning really.

If you would have asked me, "Who was the player who was going to underperform the worst on the starting defense this season?" Newman would not have been my first, second or third picks.

I bet it stunned the coaching staff too.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

:banjo:

:laugh2:

j/k man..

Smart guy.