For those who don't think Drew makes the HOF

[Nors]

I never said he has NO shot. I am saying unless certain things happen he's a long shot.

The point with Mitchell is simple, he had a season where he was top 5 in stats. In any other area, no.

Same with Bledsoe. At no point would I likely take him in those years you mentioned because Favre, Aikman, Young, Elway, Kelly, Marino, et al were better QBs.

Again, not saying he stinks.

To try and compare/lump Bledsoe to Mitchell is misleading, factually wrong and totally offbase pushing any limit of rationale reasonableness!

Mitchell - Pro Bowls Zero
3 year NFL starter with maybe 1 season you could label good.
I missed his Lion Super Bowl game?


Bledsoe a 12 year starter
2 AFC CHAMPIONSHIP WINS!

4 Pro Bowls - 4 4000 Yard seasons.
41,000 yards and counting at age 33 and on pace for another 4000 yard season.....

http://www.profootball-reference.com/players/FoutDa00.htm


Fouts is best argument for Bledsoe - guy never won anything in Playoffs. 250 TD's and 240 ints, 43000 yards in a pass happy Offense with mega talent. Threw 5 ints in a playoff game TWICE did Fouts....


SB interesting, this book is not written yet!

 

[Nors]

If you'd pay attention you wouldn't need to ask.

Unfortunately work sometimes get in front of reading every post in a 13 page thread. Whoever brought up Mitchell in this thread should be tarred and feathered for sure.

 

[Hostile]

Unfortunately work sometimes get in front of reading every post in a 13 page thread. Whoever brought up Mitchell in this thread should be tarred and feathered for sure.

Here, let me help you out since point - counterpoint (the essence of a debate) is doing a fly by.

I would include Bledsoe in my top-five in '94, '96 and '97, and possibly '02.

That comment was used in discussion with me. The author is talking about given years making someone a top 5 QB.

I replied about Scott Mitchell having a year (1995) that would make him a top 5 QB.

The point being using given years doesn't fly.

Raise your hand if it's still too hard for you.

You might want to hang on to the tar and feathers or go back and look at the initial premise of the thread.

 

[Nors]

Here, let me help you out since point - counterpoint (the essence of a debate) is doing a fly by.



That comment was used in discussion with me. The author is talking about given years making someone a top 5 QB.

I replied about Scott Mitchell having a year (1995) that would make him a top 5 QB.

The point being using given years doesn't fly.

Raise your hand if it's still too hard for you.

You might want to hang on to the tar and feathers or go back and look at the initial premise of the thread.

I officially don't get it. Why does Mitchell having one good (Non All Pro season) rate with Bledsoe? Bledsoe has had 4 4,000 yards seasons and All Pro berths.


Mitchell 3 years starting and out of the league. Bledsoe on his way to a 5th 4,000 season.

If your point Mitchell has no right being in a FOF thread or a comparison to Drews career - Chest thump dude!


If not its a burning at the stakes - thats what we do hear Nor east Salem Mass!

 

[Hostile]

I officially don't get it. Why does Mitchell having one good (Non All Pro season) rate with Bledsoe? Bledsoe has had 4 4,000 yards seasons and All Pro berths.


Mitchell 3 years starting and out of the league. Bledsoe on his way to a 5th 4,000 season.

If your point Mitchell has no right being in a FOF thread or a comparison to Drews career - Chest thump dude!


If not its a burning at the stakes - thats what we do hear Nor east Salem Mass!

You're right. You don't get it.

 

[ScottCase]

Warren Moon is not a HOF QB - nor will he be - Drew is not either - why is this even a topic? Drew Bledsoe -historically speaking is one of the all time WORST Red Zone QB's.
I hope that changes for us - but he's not a HOF'er.

 

[Nors]

You're right. You don't get it.

No, You don't get it.

 

[Nors]

Warren Moon is not a HOF QB - nor will he be - Drew is not either - why is this even a topic? Drew Bledsoe -historically speaking is one of the all time WORST Red Zone QB's.
I hope that changes for us - but he's not a HOF'er.

Post that link buddy! Where is he one of the worst Red Zone QB's ever? Post that!

Also - he is pushing NFL career leaders in 4th quarter comebacks.

He's a valid HOF Candidate - has some work on the plate left to get in - agreed there.

 

[Kilyin]

I found the article. Kind of ironic that a Philly writer published it. Wonder how it felt to have their secondary shredded by the "Most Overrated Quarterback, Ever".



http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20050327/SP_004.htm

 

[Nors]

Still want to see Drew's 4th quarter comeback wins - he has to be top 10 already.....

 

[Kilyin]

Never too late to rub it in, so on that note I just emailed the author of that article. Wonder if he'll respond?

Email: [email protected]
Subject: Question for you sir.

Just curious, did you have any "Crow" for breakfast on Monday after Bledsoe (The Most Overrated Quarterback Ever) and the Cowboys walloped the Eagles for 60 minutes?

Taste like chicken?

http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20050327/SP_004.htm

 

[DeathToTheSkinS]

pshh theismann in the HOF...if he was it certainly wouldnt b4 his commentary

 

[ScottCase]

Post that link buddy! Where is he one of the worst Red Zone QB's ever? Post that!

Also - he is pushing NFL career leaders in 4th quarter comebacks.

He's a valid HOF Candidate - has some work on the plate left to get in - agreed there.

Ummm - are you kidding me? is that memory of yours that short? Do you recall what happened When Drew got ticked at the media in the off season and sported out how his stats are up there in All time rankings???? Well the writer at Sports Illustrated got wind of it and did a huge research job on Bledsoe - it was unreal how bad he was - in fact he's one of the wost QB's of all time Clutch Stat wise - I wil try and find it for ya...

 

[ScottCase]

Post that link buddy! Where is he one of the worst Red Zone QB's ever? Post that!

Also - he is pushing NFL career leaders in 4th quarter comebacks.

He's a valid HOF Candidate - has some work on the plate left to get in - agreed there.

You can aplogize to me as well http://www.eagletribune.com/news/st...0327/SP_004.htm

 

[Kilyin]

Ummm - are you kidding me? is that memory of yours that short? Do you recall what happened When Drew got ticked at the media in the off season and sported out how his stats are up there in All time rankings???? Well the writer at Sports Illustrated got wind of it and did a huge research job on Bledsoe - it was unreal how bad he was - in fact he's one of the wost QB's of all time Clutch Stat wise - I wil try and find it for ya...

I already posted the link to the article, and it wasn't SI, it was some hack that writes for the Philly-Eagles paper. You actually agree with him? Well if Bledsoe somehow implodes this season, I might too. For now, I think I'm riding the Bledsoe bandwagon.

Besides, I remember when the article got posted here. That stat of "red zone TDs" was debunked thoroughly. There are many circumstances to consider for the stat and blaming it all on Bledsoe is absurd. In fact, one of the points mentioned were Aikman had a pretty crappy red zone TD stat. Is that because he sucked or Emmitt was slamming it in from the 2 yd line?

 

[red dog]

Drew Bledsoe will make it to the HOF, but it won't be on a first ballot unless a SB victory occurs. If the Cowboys finish at 11-5 or better, it will be the 4th time is his career he has taken a team to a 5 game improvement over its prevoius year. Twice with the Patriots, and one each with Buffalo and Dallas. Check your archives and see how many can boast that feat! At the time, he was the youngest QB ever in a Pro Bowl, the fastest to 10,000 yds., and second fastest to 20,000 yds. Still holds the NFL record for most attempts in a season and completions in a single game. At his current clip, he should finish his career in the Top 5 in NFL history in yards, attempts, and completions.

In his 13th season, he is on his 3rd team, 6th HC (counting BP twice), 9th OC! Imagine having to constantly learn new schemes every other year in his career and still be where he is today. There is alot to be said about familiarity as evidenced by the DB-TG hook-ups we've seen already. Drew never had those luxuries that many of his counterpart HOF QBs had. Where would Peyton Manning be today without that comfort zone. Hell, he's had his same team, same #1 receiver, same OC, and only his second coach in his ENTIRE pro career. Over half of his career has been in the comfortable confines of awindless 72 degree dome! Environment and constant change should account for alot, too bad it never will.

I think we would all agree that in baseball, Cal Ripkin is a HOFer. Did he impact anything that made him the greatest of his time? Not really. What DID make him was his stats COMBINED with his longevity. This may be Drew's way in also.

 

[jay cee]

Drew Bledsoe will make it to the HOF, but it won't be on a first ballot unless a SB victory occurs. If the Cowboys finish at 11-5 or better, it will be the 4th time is his career he has taken a team to a 5 game improvement over its prevoius year. Twice with the Patriots, and one each with Buffalo and Dallas. Check your archives and see how many can boast that feat! At the time, he was the youngest QB ever in a Pro Bowl, the fastest to 10,000 yds., and second fastest to 20,000 yds. Still holds the NFL record for most attempts in a season and completions in a single game. At his current clip, he should finish his career in the Top 5 in NFL history in yards, attempts, and completions.

In his 13th season, he is on his 3rd team, 6th HC (counting BP twice), 9th OC! Imagine having to constantly learn new schemes every other year in his career and still be where he is today. There is alot to be said about familiarity as evidenced by the DB-TG hook-ups we've seen already. Drew never had those luxuries that many of his counterpart HOF QBs had. Where would Peyton Manning be today without that comfort zone. Hell, he's had his same team, same #1 receiver, same OC, and only his second coach in his ENTIRE pro career. Over half of his career has been in the comfortable confines of awindless 72 degree dome! Environment and constant change should account for alot, too bad it never will.

I think we would all agree that in baseball, Cal Ripkin is a HOFer. Did he impact anything that made him the greatest of his time? Not really. What DID make him was his stats COMBINED with his longevity. This may be Drew's way in also.

Thank you Red Dog. Great Post.

 

[Danny White]

I found the article. Kind of ironic that a Philly writer published it. Wonder how it felt to have their secondary shredded by the "Most Overrated Quarterback, Ever".



http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20050327/SP_004.htm

The thing he blasts Drew on is his record against "really good teams" as defined as teams with season-ending records of 10-5-1 or better.

Admittedly, Drew's record against these teams is pretty bad.

Funny thing, though, is that his QB's numbers aren't great either... McNabb is 5-16 against them... and if the Eagles ever get as bad as those early Pats teams... that number will go even further south quickly.

 

[Danny White]

Warren Moon is not a HOF QB - nor will he be - Drew is not either - why is this even a topic? Drew Bledsoe -historically speaking is one of the all time WORST Red Zone QB's.
I hope that changes for us - but he's not a HOF'er.

So far this year he's putting up a 111 QB rating in the red zone. I couldn't find career stats for him, but he's getting it done for us!

 

[Kilyin]

The thing he blasts Drew on is his record against "really good teams" as defined as teams with season-ending records of 10-5-1 or better.

Admittedly, Drew's record against these teams is pretty bad.

Funny thing, though, is that his QB's numbers aren't great either... McNabb is 5-16 against them... and if the Eagles ever get as bad as those early Pats teams... that number will go even further south quickly.

Well, yeah... Most Overrated Quarterback Ever pretty much covers everything.