For those who don't think Drew makes the HOF

Where the hell did Cowchips go? You can't start a train wreck like this thread and then just run away when :shatfan:
 
WOW! I have Always rooted for Bledsoe ever since he entered the NFL---BUT after reading all of these NEGATIVE comments I think I will just give up on him before I have to suffer any more dissapointments! I hope nobody tells Bledsoe about all this NEGATIVE crap about his UNLIKELY election to the HOF ------If he hears all this crap he will probably just give up football and start spending all of those millions that he has been paid over the years for playing as a professional QB in the NFL! Of course I want to see Bledsoe do well this year and for many more years as a COWBOYand hopefully enjoy the benifits of being on a GREAT team (no I in team!) for the rest of his NFL career!
 
Great is what great does. If you are in the top 10 of all time in most categories, you deserve to be in the HOF. Even if Bledsoe dies tomorrow, he will be in the HOF. 29 4th quarter comeback victories? 91 career victories? Most OT TDs in history? Anyone who thinks Bledsoe did not have a big impact never watched the New England Patriots from 1988 to 1992. They were 1-15. They once went for a FG to tie on the final game of the season, then 1-14, and missed. They missed a FG in 1988 that would have put them in the playoffs. In his rookie year, Bledsoe's Pats won 4 straight games. In his second year he won 7 straight to lead the Pats to the Playoffs for the first time since 1986. He was injured in 1995, but took them to the playoffs 3 straight years, as many as they had in the previous decade. He never lost a home playoff game. He never lost an AFC Championship game (McNabb lost 4). He is 4-2 in his last 6 playoff games (4-3 overall). Of course you can dig deep and find some bad stats, but those aren't major stat categories, are they? Nobody can find them, can they?
 
PS - Joe Montana, the greatest QB of all time in my opinion, had 31 4th quarter comeback victories in 14 seasons.
 
Bledsoe averages one 4th quarter come-from-behind victory every 6.1 games. Montana averaged one every 6.11 games.
 
big_neil said:
PS - Joe Montana, the greatest QB of all time in my opinion, had 31 4th quarter comeback victories in 14 seasons.
Click to expand...

and again, this stat is worthless IMO...

if a team is losing 17-14 going into the 4th qtr and kicks two fgs to win 20-17, the QB gets credit for a "come from behind victory"...likewise, if in the same game a guy runs a pick or a punt return back to win the game, the QB gets credit for a "come from behind victory"

its a worthless stat

David
 
I agree with Hostile. It's not just stats it's impact.
Drew hasn't made the impact an Elway, Montana or Marino have.
As for comparing Drew's numbers to quarterbacks of yesteryear, it was a different game then than it is today with the rules favoring quarterbacks and passing.

Drew is iffy as a HoF candidate. If he leads the Cowboys to a Super Bowl year this season and maintains his current level of play, that may push him over because ...

1.) He'll be tied to a coaching legend who definitely is coming in
2.) He'll have gotten the Cowboys to the Super Bowl faster
3.) He'll have achieved that feat in his 30s
4.) He'll have the benefit of focus, meaning everyone is focusing on how well Drew is diong in his first year with the Cowboys.

Two Super Bowl wins and he's a shoo-in because regardless of Brady's tenure in New England, Drew got the Pats to the Super Bowl that year (by beating the Steelers in the Championship Game) and got the Pats to the Super Bowl early in his career, albeit a loss to the Packers.
 
Drews my favorite player I am from Boston and any team he has been on has become my second favorite (pats are number 1 to me) We all need to settle down. Yes drew has been platying his best ball in a while but I still believe he needs a ring as a starter to get in. Unless he keeps up this amazing pace for this season and even next then his stats might warrent selection. Enjoy the season he is putting togher and how much the boys offense has improved. Save the HOF bull**** for another day. Focus on the g man and then the seahawks these HOF debates usually sort themselves out.
 
Danny White said:
The thing he blasts Drew on is his record against "really good teams" as defined as teams with season-ending records of 10-5-1 or better.

Admittedly, Drew's record against these teams is pretty bad.

Funny thing, though, is that his QB's numbers aren't great either... McNabb is 5-16 against them... and if the Eagles ever get as bad as those early Pats teams... that number will go even further south quickly.
Click to expand...

Hey, up until last year Peyton Manning has 0 playoff wins and probably a worse record than Bledsoe and McNabb combined against really good teams.
 
tyke1doe said:
I agree with Hostile. It's not just stats it's impact.
Drew hasn't made the impact an Elway, Montana or Marino have.
As for comparing Drew's numbers to quarterbacks of yesteryear, it was a different game then than it is today with the rules favoring quarterbacks and passing.

Drew is iffy as a HoF candidate. If he leads the Cowboys to a Super Bowl year this season and maintains his current level of play, that may push him over because ...

1.) He'll be tied to a coaching legend who definitely is coming in
2.) He'll have gotten the Cowboys to the Super Bowl faster
3.) He'll have achieved that feat in his 30s
4.) He'll have the benefit of focus, meaning everyone is focusing on how well Drew is diong in his first year with the Cowboys.

Two Super Bowl wins and he's a shoo-in because regardless of Brady's tenure in New England, Drew got the Pats to the Super Bowl that year (by beating the Steelers in the Championship Game) and got the Pats to the Super Bowl early in his career, albeit a loss to the Packers.
Click to expand...
I agree that Bledsoe is iffy as a HOF candidate. But that is because the process is so flawed.

When you talk about impact, what you are really talking about is HYPE.
Swann had impact/hype in the league because he made big plays in the superbowl. But the overall production was not good enough to go to the HOF, IMO.

Just 1 year later, Ottis Anderson's rookie season was almost as great as Earl Campbell's.

But the Cardinals had a poor defense, while the Oilers had one of the best in the league, so Anderson didn't get to play on Monday Night football or make the playoffs.

So no impact/hype for Anderson. And no HOF.

Because Bledsoe does not have the impact/hype from playing on a winning team, he will have to go in on personal production.

And I don't think he has enough to overcome the bias of not playing on a great team. If he reaches 50,000 yards, and 300 tds I think he will have enough personal production to overcome that bias.

The HOF should IMO, be more about what the individual player was able to accomplish, not the team.

That's why you see players from Championship teams get more credit than other players.

Like Scottie Pippen being rated over Dominique Wilkins for the NBA's 50 greatest.

Or the guy who called in on a talk show and said that Robert Horry should be considered for the Basketball HOF.
 
jay cee said:
I agree that Bledsoe is iffy as a HOF candidate. But that is because the process is so flawed.

When you talk about impact, what you are really talking about is HYPE.
Swann had impact/hype in the league because he made big plays in the superbowl. But the overall production was not good enough to go to the HOF, IMO.

Just 1 year later, Ottis Anderson's rookie season was almost as great as Earl Campbell's.

But the Cardinals had a poor defense, while the Oilers had one of the best in the league, so Anderson didn't get to play on Monday Night football or make the playoffs.

So no impact/hype for Anderson. And no HOF.

Because Bledsoe does not have the impact/hype from playing on a winning team, he will have to go in on personal production.

And I don't think he has enough to overcome the bias of not playing on a great team. If he reaches 50,000 yards, and 300 tds I think he will have enough personal production to overcome that bias.

The HOF should IMO, be more about what the individual player was able to accomplish, not the team.

That's why you see players from Championship teams get more credit than other players.

Like Scottie Pippen being rated over Dominique Wilkins for the NBA's 50 greatest.

Or the guy who called in on a talk show and said that Robert Horry should be considered for the Basketball HOF.
Click to expand...
Great post.

:hammer:



Right on the :money:
 
big_neil said:
Bledsoe averages one 4th quarter come-from-behind victory every 6.1 games. Montana averaged one every 6.11 games.
Click to expand...

You have to take into account how often Bledsoes' teams were actually behind compared to Montana.
 
SkinsandTerps said:
You have to take into account how often Bledsoes' teams were actually behind compared to Montana.
Click to expand...
Funny how that works. One of the reasons why Aikman doesn't have many of those come from behind wins was becasue he kept his team ahead much of the time.
 
This is a team sport - QB's get too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose.
 
big_neil said:
Great is what great does. If you are in the top 10 of all time in most categories, you deserve to be in the HOF. Even if Bledsoe dies tomorrow, he will be in the HOF. 29 4th quarter comeback victories? 91 career victories? Most OT TDs in history? Anyone who thinks Bledsoe did not have a big impact never watched the New England Patriots from 1988 to 1992. They were 1-15. They once went for a FG to tie on the final game of the season, then 1-14, and missed. They missed a FG in 1988 that would have put them in the playoffs. In his rookie year, Bledsoe's Pats won 4 straight games. In his second year he won 7 straight to lead the Pats to the Playoffs for the first time since 1986. He was injured in 1995, but took them to the playoffs 3 straight years, as many as they had in the previous decade. He never lost a home playoff game. He never lost an AFC Championship game (McNabb lost 4). He is 4-2 in his last 6 playoff games (4-3 overall). Of course you can dig deep and find some bad stats, but those aren't major stat categories, are they? Nobody can find them, can they?
Click to expand...


All Fans here in New England realize what Bledsoe did in 93-98. He took a 1-15 franchise that was listless and immediately turned it into a playoff team and took them to the Super Bowl. He was very arguably the most dominant QB in that run.

Bills fans and a loose cannon or two here in New England will try and convince us how much Bledsoe sucked but its factually a mirage.
 
Nors said:
All Fans here in New England realize what Bledsoe did in 93-98. He took a 1-15 franchise that was listless and immediately turned it into a playoff team and took them to the Super Bowl. He was very arguably the most dominant QB in that run.

Bills fans and a loose cannon or two here in New England will try and convince us how much Bledsoe sucked but its factually a mirage.
Click to expand...
Actually Parcells did that. Bledsoe was one of the tools to rebuild. But make no mistake about it, Parcells coaching rebuilt that team same as the Giants and Jets and now Cowboys. That is why he is a Hall of Famer.
 
thread_die.jpg
:p:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Staff online

Members online

... and 130 more.
Total: 1,298 (members: 230, guests: 1,068)

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
465,443
Messages
13,874,721
Members
23,791
Latest member
mashburn
Back
Top