For Those Who Would Have Sold The Draft to Get Crabtree

[aikemirv]

Rookie cap would be a good thing. These teams should not be punished for having an early pick and paying out 50 million for a guy who may never do anything.

I think a rookie cap with incentive based earnings potenial during that first contract would be a great compromise. Make the incentive based earning potential locked in and the same for each team and player - set in stone for that year.

 

[CATCH17]

Not having a 1st rounder just keeps looking better and better. Maybe Jones was right.

Of course he was.

Look who was available when we could have picked.

 

[TheCount]

Please Lord ...... let them put in a Rookie Cap.

These lucky greedy kids are losing their minds.

There's nothing greedy about it, the league is hauling money in.

 

[zrinkill]

There's nothing greedy about it, the league is hauling money in.

So a kid right out of college deserves the money he helped in no way to make?

 

[TheCount]

So a kid right out of college deserves the money he helped in no way to make?

Why is the draft now 3 days if the selection of those kids generates no money?

It's a contract for future work, it's not like they are just giving him the money and he sits at home.

If the argument is whether there should be a rookie cap, then yeah, I agree. But if there is no cap, then there's nothing greedy about getting paid especially since after the contract is signed, the team has all the leverage.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why is the draft now 3 days if the selection of those kids generates no money?

It's a contract for future work, it's not like they are just giving him the money and he sits at home.

If the argument is whether there should be a rookie cap, then yeah, I agree. But if there is no cap, then there's nothing greedy about getting paid especially since after the contract is signed, the team has all the leverage.

Why should he not have to earn it? Why should a rookie be able to walk in and make more than some of the games best player who have contributed to the success of the league? Hell no one even knows if the rookie player can even cut it at this level.

 

[zrinkill]

Why is the draft now 3 days if the selection of those kids generates no money?

It's a contract for future work, it's not like they are just giving him the money and he sits at home.

If the argument is whether there should be a rookie cap, then yeah, I agree. But if there is no cap, then there's nothing greedy about getting paid especially since after the contract is signed, the team has all the leverage.

What? We are comparing what he makes to his draft order.

He wants to be paid like someone selected 7 places ahead of him because he thinks he should have been selected there.

Defending that is ridiculous.

 

[TheCount]

Why should he not have to earn it? Why should a rookie be able to walk in and make more than some of the games best player who have contributed to the success of the league? Hell no one even knows if the rookie player can even cut it at this level.

Because there are no rules in place that state otherwise. You want Crabtree to take less money to prove your point?

 

[TheCount]

What? We are comparing what he makes to his draft order.

He wants to be paid like someone selected 7 places ahead of him because he thinks he should have been selected there.

Defending that is ridiculous.

There's nothing to defend, neither of us gets a say in how much money he makes. He's worth what they are willing to pay him. The 49ers have the right to pay him nothing if they so choose.

 

[zrinkill]

You want Crabtree to take less money to prove your point?

Less money?

Crabtree wants to make 3rd pick overall money ...... he balked at 10th pick overall money (which is millions of dollars).

 

[TheCount]

Less money?

Crabtree wants to make 3rd pick overall money ...... he balked at 10th pick overall money (which is millions of dollars).

Take less money than he's asking for.

There, more clear?

Just because he's asking for it doesn't mean he'll get it anyway.

 

[zrinkill]

Ok I am done.

You think these kids are worth whatever they can con someone into giving them.

I do not.

We will agree to disagree.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I agree there should be a rookie cap because these guys shouldn't be able to even have the shot to come in and demand contracts that are bigger than players who've already proven they can actually play at the NFL level.

That said I can't exactly hate on people for trying to get all the money they can, when they can, because it's what everyone does, just on different scales.

I mean if you're out searching for a job and have applied at 4 different companies, all doing the same type of work, you're not going to join the company paying the least simply because you haven't proven yourself with that place yet. You're going to sign for the absolute most you can get, out of which ever of the 4, and be quite pleased with yourself for doing so. It's just the vast majority of us don't have the ability to do that in terms of millions of dollars at a time.

 

[TheCount]

Ok I am done.

You think these kids are worth whatever they can con someone into giving them.

I do not.

We will agree to disagree.

That's what I agreed to? It's not a con to negotiate a contract, no one has a gun to their head. Stop being so dramatic.

In the business world contracts like these get executed on a regular basis, there's no outrage there. It's not like NFL contracts are funded with tax payer dollars or anything. If the 49ers don't want to pay it, they don't have to.

 

[casmith07]

Allow me to be the first to say I think Crabtree has bust written all over him.

 

[arglebargle]

There will be a rookie cap coming in with the next collective bargaining agreement. Pretty much, the veteran players agree with the sentiment expressed here that these rookies don't deserve these paydays just on spec.
The NFLPA will use it as a bargaining chip in the negotiations, but they'll give it up. There will be a rookie cap of some sort.

Otherwise, the argument here seems to be between 'He's stupid to do this' (which imo is true), and 'He's completely within his rights to try it' (which is also pretty much true).

Can't imagine this isn't going to 'cause some ill will for Crabtree though.

 

[wileedog]

If the 49ers don't want to pay it, they don't have to.

And then Crabtree sits out.

How does that benefit the 49ers, the league or the fans? Or even Crabtree, who may lose a year of his career because he decided he was worth more than anyone else thinks he is and is too young and stupid to know any better (not to mention probably being pushed by an agent with no regard for any of the above)?

And stop making normal business analogies, the NFL is not the same as insurance company or a bank. Goldman Sachs isn't told which top accountant they are allowed to hire and top accountants aren't told which firm they are allowed to sign up with. If Crabtree doesn't want to sign with the 9ers they can't just go get the next best guy, they are screwed.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I guess the reports about Crabtree being a diva are true afterall

 

[AKATheRake]

Not saying it's morally right and that Crabtree is showing true football heart here, but the NFL is a business. Not saying I agree with top 3 money but this business, like any has many other facets to it that dictate a player, product or services worth.

If players would just accept $, the same amount for each selection year in and out there would be no need for agents. Agents and a players star power, which helps sell team tickets, merchandise and the rest of the package, are what is making these contracts worth what they are.

When is the last time Jerry Jones has lowered ticket, parking and merchandising prices? It keeps going up and so do the players salaries. Beyond being a top 10 pick as opposed to a 3rd overall pick Michael Crabtree is a much more marketable player than an Aaron Curry. Not saying he should make more, just stating a fact that his agent probably is using for leverage.

 

[DFWJC]

That's what I agreed to? It's not a con to negotiate a contract, no one has a gun to their head. Stop being so dramatic.

In the business world contracts like these get executed on a regular basis, there's no outrage there. It's not like NFL contracts are funded with tax payer dollars or anything. If the 49ers don't want to pay it, they don't have to.

True.
Most (all?) of these kids trust in thier agents to make the right decisions as far as contracts go...that is why they hired them. Calling the player greedy is not necessarily true. There is union pressure too, as many of the kids would play for a fraction of what they can get on the market. Again, that's why the agents do the dirty work.

Having said that, I sure hope they get some sanity by coming up with a rookie cap soon. And I do think a WR picked at 10 should not be asking for #3 money, but it is the agents right to try that angle (and hope for maybe #6-7 money). he will not get #3 money ...that is for sure.