Former players etc. opine on Norv

[MarkBrunell]

Norv Turner = false hope.

Hes the king of allowing other teams to comeback in the 4rth quarter. The King of all blunders.

Some coaches get their point accross in a quiet demeanor like Dungy. But Norv is lazy and careless when it comes to player management. Hes so much into the Xs and Os that most of the time he never gave a damn about whats going on with the players.

 

[MarkBrunell]

oh and hes a horrible talent evaluator also.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Not very incouraging verbage in this report.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Having lived and died with his team for seven years, I feel qualified to offer as informed an opinion as anyone else.

Norv is a good guy. He's smart and he works hard. He cares about his players and he wants to win as bad as the next guy. You can hear it in his voice, see it on his face and read it in his body language.

His offense can be a symphony when he gets inside a DC's head and on a play-calling roll.

Sometimes his teams will put on a show for 4 quarters and post an impressive win over a good opponent and have you thinking, "damn, we're on our way." And he'll get you to a key game with all signs pointing to a win.

And then his team will fail to show up, and get rolled. Often against clearly lesser opponents. Worse, his team will often play well enough to win in a big game, even dominate statistically ... and still maddeningly, repeatedly, find a new and creative mind-numbing, gut-wrenching way to give the game away.

Norv Turner won't give you a 5-11 team.

He'll give you a team just good enough to break your heart.

Year after year after year.

And this is my fear...

but hey, guess i'll just have to overlook that 59-83-1 record, huh?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I believe that it has more to do with the players than the coach when it comes to having a "nice" coach.

For crying out loud....look at who the Champions are....the Colts. I would dare say that Dungy is an even NICER guy than Turner.

Not to mention that when Dungy took the job in Indy, he told the ownership that football is NOT his #1 priority and he would be burning the candle at both ends.

Sometimes, it's these guys that live football that begin to out-think themselves.

The main problem with your argument is that it overlooks the obvious fact that Tony Dungy is a better Head Coach than Norv Turner.

- Mike G.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

So we should take the word of former players who were LOSERS and never lived up to their over-hypen names and talent? If they want to knock Norv for their own underachievement then that's on them, not Norv. I seem to think that Norv had some other former players who were winners - hall of famers actually- who did live up to their talent - Aikmna, Irvin, et al - and they seem to endorse Norv.

This thread is designed to use the opinions of LOSERS to make a case for not hiring Norv. Sorry, but I "won't eat the cheese". I'd rather listen to the HALL OF FAMERS who endorse Norv, as any rational person would/should.


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[Om]

So we should take the word of former players who were LOSERS and never lived up to their over-hypen names and talent? If they want to knock Norv for their own underachievement then that's on them, not Norv. I seem to think that Norv had some other former players who were winners - hall of famers actually- who did live up to their talent - Aikmna, Irvin, et al - and they seem to endorse Norv.

This thread is designed to use the opinions of LOSERS to make a case for not hiring Norv. Sorry, but I "won't eat the cheese". I'd rather listen to the HALL OF FAMERS who endorse Norv, as any rational person would/should.

"Norv was never really head coach material...He couldn't control the players and guys like Charles Woodson walked all over him. Woodson routinely showed up for practice and meetings when he felt like it, along with some teammates."

-- Jerry Rice

 

[Big Dakota]

I watch O'Reilly bloviate 5 times a week so its burned in

Well, you lost all credibility right there.

 

[TEK2000]

So we should take the word of former players who were LOSERS and never lived up to their over-hypen names and talent? If they want to knock Norv for their own underachievement then that's on them, not Norv. I seem to think that Norv had some other former players who were winners - hall of famers actually- who did live up to their talent - Aikmna, Irvin, et al - and they seem to endorse Norv.

This thread is designed to use the opinions of LOSERS to make a case for not hiring Norv. Sorry, but I "won't eat the cheese". I'd rather listen to the HALL OF FAMERS who endorse Norv, as any rational person would/should.


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You don't think Aikman's "endorsement" might have a little something to do with he and Norv being very very close friends. Would you come out in public and say that your very close friend wouldn't do very good at the job he is applying for?

 

[zeromaster]

No need to be a popinjay

Or a curmudgeon...

"Well I'll ask him, but I don't think he'll be very keen... Uh, he's already got one, you see?"

 

[DLCassidy]

Well Norv may not be any Terry Robiskie but he'll sure be an upgrade over Parcells.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Norv Turner won't give you a 5-11 team.

He'll give you a team just good enough to break your heart.

Year after year after year.

Nobody is better at that lately than Parcells.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Norv Turner's style can be very effective if and only if he has the unwavering support of the front office. Dungy's proved that a coach doesn't have to be a hardass all the time when the front office has his back. Look at the Cory Simon situation.

Turner never had discipline problems under Jack Kent Cooke, he had problems under the transitional ownership and Snyder and he had problems under Al Davis.

It's impossible to be a successful manager at any level of business when those you're supposed to manage can go over your head at the drop of a hat and your boss supports them.


I've never been a proponent of Turner as the head coach, but the more Washington fans who tell me he was the problem the more I hope he does just to see the look on their faces when he beats them like a red-headed stepchild.

 

[lspain1]

Norv Turner's style can be very effective if and only if he has the unwavering support of the front office. Dungy's proved that a coach doesn't have to be a hardass all the time when the front office has his back. Look at the Cory Simon situation.

Turner never had discipline problems under Jack Kent Cooke, he had problems under the transitional ownership and Snyder and he had problems under Al Davis.

It's impossible to be a successful manager at any level of business when those you're supposed to manage can go over your head at the drop of a hat and your boss supports them.


I've never been a proponent of Turner as the head coach, but the more Washington fans who tell me he was the problem the more I hope he does just to see the look on their faces when he beats them like a red-headed stepchild.

One positive thing I have heard lately from Wilbon (Washington media) was that Turner is a classy guy. He (Wilbon) didn't discuss Turner's qualifications as a coach but clearly some in the business view him quite differetly than has been portrayed here.

The assassination campaign continues from the ABN crowd.

 

[Om]

I've never been a proponent of Turner as the head coach, but the more Washington fans who tell me he was the problem the more I hope he does just to see the look on their faces when he beats them like a red-headed stepchild.

I'm trying to remember the last time Washington and Dallas fans so deeply shared the same hope.

Which is precisely what makes this thing so compelling.

 

[BigDFan5]

I just love posters who solely ferret out ambiguous or negative comments about a former head coach and make it appear the players in the NFL are totally against them.

Name me one coach or player who absolutely has zero detractors. Conveniently left out of your attempted Turner assassination are any positive comments that players and coaches have generated about him. And there are a number of players and coaches who endorse Turner's candidacy of head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And they are not echoing this from the 90s, they are commenting in the present.

Find some positive comments from players who played under him as a HC and post them in this thread please

 

[BigDFan5]

So we should take the word of former players who were LOSERS and never lived up to their over-hypen names and talent? If they want to knock Norv for their own underachievement then that's on them, not Norv. I seem to think that Norv had some other former players who were winners - hall of famers actually- who did live up to their talent - Aikmna, Irvin, et al - and they seem to endorse Norv.

This thread is designed to use the opinions of LOSERS to make a case for not hiring Norv. Sorry, but I "won't eat the cheese". I'd rather listen to the HALL OF FAMERS who endorse Norv, as any rational person would/should.


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Even HOF Jerry Rice says Norv isnt HC material


The only players who are endorsing Norv are players who NEVER played for him when he was a HC

 

[BigDFan5]

Well, you lost all credibility right there.

riiight :laugh1:

 

[JPM]

One positive thing I have heard lately from Wilbon (Washington media) was that Turner is a classy guy. He (Wilbon)mdidn't discuss Turner's qualifications as a coach but clearly some in the business view him quite differetly than has been portrayed here.

The assassination campaign continues from the ABN crowd.

That's what I look for in a HC a classy guy.

 

[superpunk]

Turner never had discipline problems under Jack Kent Cooke, he had problems under the transitional ownership and Snyder and he had problems under Al Davis..

Westbrook (a player Norv wanted, coveted and chose) destroys Davis in summer (I think) of 97.

Snyder buys the team in 99.