Free Agency Day 1

[CCBoy]

Most should have foreseen that the first day of free agency this year, was a special time. Money and having to pay out, for this specific season, was a league wide high tide mark. That means, payments for players are a little elevated as well....this free agency.

Fact two, it isn't as a function of immediate philosophy at stake. It was a simple element of function as well. This season, some very good players were forced, allowed, to enter into free agency due to the accumulation of quality players on a few teams. This forced good players into the stream, as it did back when the Dallas Dynasty started to fall apart due to accumulated piece costs.

That doesn't change that some pretty darned good players were signed yesterday. But that was another element of function in that that surplus money was available this very off season. Those players got paid....but in the process, don't fool oneself into thinking those players weren't very good as well. They were. It's just that Dallas couldn't afford to play along.

That doesn't eliminate the need to keep abreast similar changes going into the league right now. Stereotypes aside...the Giants just got very good. If injury haunts them as it did Dallas last season, then nothing will be heard from that tree falling in the forrest. But don't downgrade what they did, as they became intensely competitive and the Cowboys will now have to deal with that. Not, hide behind a moral high ground thrown up defensively by a fan or media trying to stir emotions.

We already know that our Cowboys, are fighters. What the team is able to do, they will get accomplished. But we have some high ground we can appreciate as well....and we also know that until a single piece elevates this team, they won't splurge when the future is still in sight. That is prudent as well...

 

[CCBoy]

Good share, Kristie...and thanks.

 

[Wood]

Exactly the point. They have tried every freaking philosophy at one point and have failed the past twenty years.

they still haven't tried one thing during that drought.

 

[Galian Beast]

He made $3MM with incentives last year and frankly didn't play all that great to get a 66% raise IMO.

But an extra $2MM to McClain is probably the least of our problems.

When we re-signed him, we got him at a pretty sweatheart deal. It was very cheap, and may you could argue that this season he was less catalytic and deserved less, but I think this is fair given the expanded salary cap as well.

Sean Lee is at 7 million.

 

[LittleD]

Way...Way too much snarkyness on the board during this FA period...
It's time for the moderators to hand out some "on the bench time outs" so
everyone can cool off.

 

[Silver N Blue]

they still haven't tried one thing during that drought.

what is that

 

[Wood]

what is that

your gonna make me go there. The GM has remained.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Not trying to blow your smugness out of the water, but the bolded players listed, they were not high profile free agent signings after day one.

In fact, one very significant acquisition, Galloway, was a direct result of our owner being impulsive and wanting to "win now" via trade.

You aren't even bright enough to realize most of these signings were actually dumpster diving like we are doing now

Yeah, shot his brilliant thread to hell with one response.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy I usually like most you say but you cant be saying these guys werent valued FAs, they were all team shopping...Talib, Ware, and Ward all in the same day to go along with what was already in place had me going . I have toooo many Bronco fans and I was ticked.....all I could say was, but did you see the contracts? You guys over paid, etc.

I looked at all the contract values in looking up the articles when they were signed. None of them got top dollar except Manning.

Talib makes less than Carr and signed later. Ware was making about 1/3rd less than the top paid edge rushers at the time. Most of the other guys got the $3-5m midgrade values or 2 to 3 times the vet minimum.

They also hit on all of them.

They were all NFL players I am not going to dispute that but they all were made to wait and didn't get top dollar nonetheless. That day 4-10 area seems the sweet spot to work in and if two weeks go by and we have done nothing then I will be concerned. On day 3? Not so much.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have expressed a balanced method, thank you!

Dumpster Diving is just as bad as overpaying for misevaluated talent, just the opposite end with the same outcome!

I think it's more of a spectrum of outcomes as opposed to the all or nothing binary logic on display here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Regardless of when they were signed.

Denver knew what they had to do in order to get back in the superbowl.

What have our FO done lately?

You sound like someone looking for someone or something to blame. I don't think like that.

Lately our front office brought in a corner and defensive tackle from the Eagles and Matt Moore. We shall see if any sign with us.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I think it's more of a spectrum of outcomes as opposed to the all or nothing binary logic on display here.

You are apparently talking about others and confusing them with me, my perspective has never been to simply misevaluate talent and overpay in free agency nor is it free agency as dumpster diving exclusively.

A balanced approach avoids this either/or logical fallacy, I am party to neither approach.

I think you can build your team through the draft and add quality free agents when necessary without ruining your cap and misevaluating the players you actually do sign!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are apparently talking about others and confusing them with me, my perspective has never been to simply misevaluate talent and overpay in free agency nor is it free agency as dumpster diving exclusively.

A balanced approach avoids this either/or logical fallacy, I am party to neither approach.

I think you can build your team through the draft and add quality free agents when necessary without ruining your cap and misevaluating the players you actually do sign!

Is Thornton dumpster diving? How about we talk about what the team is actually doing?

I don't think he is. I like that corner too.

 

[Rockport]

You are apparently talking about others and confusing them with me, my perspective has never been to simply misevaluate talent and overpay in free agency nor is it free agency as dumpster diving exclusively.

A balanced approach avoids this either/or logical fallacy, I am party to neither approach.

I think you can build your team through the draft and add quality free agents when necessary without ruining your cap and misevaluating the players you actually do sign!

They just added one in Thornton.

 

[kristie]

Good share, Kristie...and thanks.

you're welcome.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Is Thornton dumpster diving? How about we talk about what the team is actually doing?

I don't think he is. I like that corner too.

You have to avoid the either/or fallacy, you can add low end free agents to fill roles and add depth but they are not making a big impact like a premiere player.

These are low end signings and some may characterize the players, not the money they make, as dumpster diving players.

Josh Thomas and Thornton are low end signings, that is what we are currently doing.

I have no problem with Thornton as a 1 Tech, especially if that allows Hayden to go bye bye!

If they sign Carroll on the cheap, is he worse than what you have now in terms of production?

I think what is at issue is the team NEEDS a RDE that can pass rush effectively and the dumpster supply is not going to cover that base in all probability with great success.

This draft is deep in interior DL but not at RDE, specifically elite edge rush ability that this team desperately needs.

So some low end free agents can help but they are limited in value and in making an significant impact.

 

[Silver N Blue]

your gonna make me go there. The GM has remained.

Thought you meant something else.

 

[Rogerthat12]

They just added one in Thornton.

They added one what? Low end free agent at 1 tech!

 

[Rockport]

They added one what? Low end free agent at 1 tech!

Your opinion.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have to avoid the either/or fallacy, you can add low end free agents to fill roles and add depth but they are not making a big impact like a premiere player.

These are low end signings and some may characterize the players, not the money they make, as dumpster diving players.

Josh Thomas and Thornton are low end signings, that is what we are currently doing.

I have no problem with Thornton as a 1 Tech, especially if that allows Hayden to go bye bye!

If they sign Carroll on the cheap, is he worse than what you have now in terms of production?

I think what is at issue is the team NEEDS a RDE that can pass rush effectively and the dumpster supply is not going to cover that base in all probability with great success.

This draft is deep in interior DL but not at RDE, specifically elite edge rush ability that this team desperately needs.

So some low end free agents can help but they are limited in value and in making an significant impact.

You said dumpster diving now you are dissembling from it.

I don't even know what low end signings means. I think conflating the Thornton and Thomas signings is asinine.