Free Agency Day 1

[Rogerthat12]

Your opinion.

It is a fact, he is a 1 tech, low end signing.

It is ok to admit this, this is how the Cowboys roll for the most part.

Most of us are not going to be critical because this position needed an upgrade.

 

[Rogerthat12]

You said dumpster diving now you are dissembling from it.

I don't even know what low end signings means. I think conflating the Thornton and Thomas signings is asinine.

Dumpster Diving and low end are roughly the same, nothing to deconstruct without poor comprehension on your part.

What makes you think Thornton is anything more than a low end signing as a 1 tech?

No conflating Thomas, simply stating the facts, you are waffling on "what we are actually doing", contradiction beginning to show on your end.

You have no argument literally!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dumpster Diving and low end are roughly the same, nothing to deconstruct without poor comprehension on your part.

What makes you think Thornton is anything more than a low end signing as a 1 tech?

No conflating Thomas, simply stating the facts, you are waffling on "what we are actually doing", contradiction beginning to show on your end.

That isn't a deduction and your conflation is not a fact. You can be mindlessly negative in your categorization but in the end it's circular reasoning.

I really don't know enough about the players to say anything definitive. Compare and contrast with your everything sucks ethic.

 

[Rockport]

They added one what? Low end free agent at 1 tech!

The Madden crowd just doesn't get it. The Cowboys have to think long term in regards to their young guys coming up on new contracts. The Martins, Frederichs, Lawerence, Witten, La'el, Gregory, Jones, etc. Plus have some for free agents they deem must have. You have to manage the cap and not just dump $$ on just anyone in a panic like the Texans have done. 18 million a year for a QB who's started just 5 games and has one game with over 300yrds is just crazy.

 

[Rogerthat12]

That isn't a deduction and your conflation is not a fact. You can be mindlessly negative in your categorization but in the end it's circular reasoning.

I really don't know enough about the players to say anything definitive. Compare and contrast with your everything sucks ethic.

Again, you are mixing me up with the "all" is bad crowd, you are failing to read and comprehend what I have literally unpacked for you.

This is a logical fallacy and poor assumption simply because board negativity and any team criticism is bothering you.

Chow!

 

[Rogerthat12]

The Madden crowd just doesn't get it. The Cowboys have to think long term in regards to their young guys coming up on new contracts. The Martins, Frederichs, Lawerence, Witten, La'el, Gregory, Jones, etc. Plus have some for free agents they deem must have. You have to manage the cap and not just dump $$ on just anyone in a panic like the Texans have done. 18 million a year for a QB who's started just 5 games and has one game with over 300yrds is just crazy.

I have already been through this already, having a balanced approach by building the team via the draft and adding free agent talent when necessary for impact positions and/or to add depth and fill holes is the best approach.

There is a time to spend on an impact free agent but you better get the evaluation right!

There is a time to add low end free agents but you better not rely on this strategy alone especially if you need impact at premium positions.

The logical either/or fallacy of only overpaying for players in free agency and/or only dumpster diving for role players is problematic on both ends.

We all are aware that we need to pay our OL when they are due, the Cowboys have only added 2 large contracts on outside free agents in 9 years (Davis & Carr) and apparently misevaluated the players and were burned.

Going all dumpster bin does not solve this issue, it compounds it by not allowing the team to address impact with reference to positions it needs, currently RDE.

You do not have to simply overpay for everyone in free agency, nor do you need to simply dumpster dive, balance is what is needed with proper evaluation of talent.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again, you are mixing me up with the "all" is bad crowd, you are failing to read and comprehend what I have literally unpacked for you.

This is a logical fallacy and poor assumption simply because board negativity and any team criticism is bothering you.

Chow!

What fallacy would that be?

You insist that you are not but when I say you're being binary you just make new categories that do nothing but deprecate like "low end." Actions speak louder than words. You can come up with more categories but they still end up the same.

And ciao!

 

[Rockport]

It is a fact, he is a 1 tech, low end signing.

It is ok to admit this, this is how the Cowboys roll for the most part.

Most of us are not going to be critical because this position needed an upgrade.

I have already been through this already, having a balanced approach by building the team via the draft and adding free agent talent when necessary for impact positions and/or to add depth and fill holes is the best approach.

There is a time to spend on an impact free agent but you better get the evaluation right!

There is a time to add low end free agents but you better not rely on this strategy alone especially if you need impact at premium positions.

The logical either/or fallacy of only overpaying for players in free agency and/or only dumpster diving for role players is problematic on both ends.

We all are aware that we need to pay our OL when they are due, the Cowboys have only added 2 large contracts on outside free agents in 9 years (Davis & Carr) and apparently misevaluated the players and were burned.

Going all dumpster bin does not solve this issue, it compounds it by not allowing the team to address impact with reference to positions it needs, currently RDE.

You do not have to simply overpay for everyone in free agency, nor do you need to simply dumpster dive, balance is what is needed with proper evaluation of talent.

So who should the Cowboys have signed?

 

[Rogerthat12]

What fallacy would that be?

You insist that you are not but when I say you're being binary you just make new categories that do nothing but deprecate like "low end." Actions speak louder than words. You can come up with more categories but they still end up the same.

And ciao!

Logical fallacy of presumption specifically converse accident!

Lack of comprehension yet again, low end is understood by most, meaning cheap!

When people offer criticism to a unilateral approach when a unilateral approach is predominant in practice then it makes logical sense that is what you see but to assume that is all there is leads simply to a logical fallacy.

Chow!

 

[Rogerthat12]

So who should the Cowboys have signed?

They probably should be looking at the RDE position, would you not think so?

Is this unreasonable?

 

[coult44]

.... and the meltdown has already begun. Most fans seem to want instant gratification ala Madden. They don't seem to remember Vanderjagt, TO, Marco Rivera, Bryant Westbrook, Ryan Young, Carr, Eddie George, Randal Cunningham, Joey Galloway, Ryan Leaf and Tony Banks to name a few. Smart teams don't spend heavily in free agency. If your very lucky you might get a short term gain like the Broncos did with Ware and Peyton but look at them now. The vast majority of time it handicaps you for years to come. So just sit back, observe the meltdown and the haters who will reply negatively to this thread and enjoy.

I'll het back with you after I stop laughing. Hahahahahha, Do you even know how we acquired some of this guys? We were bargain shopping for almost every one of them!!! C'mon, this is embarrassing.

 

[Rockport]

They probably should be looking at the RDE position, would you not think so?

Is this unreasonable?

But who should they have signed? A name. You're the one whining about dumpster diving so who?

 

[Rockport]

I'll het back with you after I stop laughing. Hahahahahha, Do you even know how we acquired some of this guys? We were bargain shopping for almost every one of them!!! C'mon, this is embarrassing.

Your the one embarrassing yourself. Those were the worst signings ever. Do the research if you don't believe me.

 

[Alexander]

The Madden crowd just doesn't get it. The Cowboys have to think long term in regards to their young guys coming up on new contracts. The Martins, Frederichs, Lawerence, Witten, La'el, Gregory, Jones, etc. .

Wait, so new contracts coming up include Witten? He is one of the "young guys"?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Logical fallacy of presumption specifically converse accident!

Lack of comprehension yet again, low end is understood by most, meaning cheap!

When people offer criticism to a unilateral approach when a unilateral approach is predominant in practice then it makes logical sense that is what you see but to assume that is all there is leads simply to a logical fallacy.

Chow!

It's not a presumption. It's demonstrable by your categories. Every single one has been deprecating.

I am arguing along the paradigm you present. I agree that it is oversimplified tripe but it didn't originate with me. I just find when trying to reason with someone to speak in their terms. You said dumpster diving. That booze said it before you is immaterial.

I've already said at least a spectrum of outcomes would be better. We still only have "low end" and "dumpster" as categories. You admit that they are the same thing.

 

[Rockport]

Wait, so new contracts coming up include Witten? He is one of the "young guys"?

Yeah, 2018. He deserves a decent contract after that if he's playing at the same level.

 

[Risen Star]

You have to avoid the either/or fallacy, you can add low end free agents to fill roles and add depth but they are not making a big impact like a premiere player.

These are low end signings and some may characterize the players, not the money they make, as dumpster diving players.

Josh Thomas and Thornton are low end signings, that is what we are currently doing.

I have no problem with Thornton as a 1 Tech, especially if that allows Hayden to go bye bye!

If they sign Carroll on the cheap, is he worse than what you have now in terms of production?

I think what is at issue is the team NEEDS a RDE that can pass rush effectively and the dumpster supply is not going to cover that base in all probability with great success.

This draft is deep in interior DL but not at RDE, specifically elite edge rush ability that this team desperately needs.

So some low end free agents can help but they are limited in value and in making an significant impact.

Thornton's not a low end signing. He's a legitimate quality young player. To be low end you have to be a JAG who can fill a role or an aging player who can plug a hole in the short term.

That's how I see it, anyway. We'll probably wrap up FA with low end signings. I just wouldn't classify that one as such.

 

[Risen Star]

Yeah, 2018. He deserves a decent contract after that if he's playing at the same level.

You can not be serious. If so, I want to put you and Winicki in a cage and settle this right now.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You can not be serious. If so, I want to put you and Winicki in a cage and settle this right now.

I love cage matches!

 

[Rockport]

You can not be serious. If so, I want to put you and Winicki in a cage and settle this right now.

Yeah I'm serious.Chances are it will retire but if he wants to play and is playing well I see nothing wrong with another 1 year contract. Witten won't be asking for much. The point I'm trying to make is that the team has to plan for the future. The Madden guys don't get that.