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POSTED 7:52 a.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 8:42 a.m. EST, January 31, 2007

SABAN STEPS IN IT?

Former Dolphins coach Nick Saban possibly has dropped his shoe into a huge pile of poo with comments apparently made off the record to the Alabama press.

Several readers have sent the audio clip to us, in which Saban relates a story that was shared with him by one of the members of the LSU Board of Trustees. He likely didn't realize that someone's tape recorder was rolling.

Here's the audio. Here's the raw transcript:

"My friends are okay with it. The rest of those guys? One of my, one of my guy on the board -- you guys won't be able to put this on the thing -- was walking down the street, one of the Board of Trustees guys like these people around here and sitting up on the stage today at LSU, is walking down the street yesterday before the Sugar Bowl. He calls me. There's a guy working in a ditch. One of those coon-*** guys that talk funny. I can't talk like him but he can. Most people in Louisiana can. And he says, 'Hey, you see where Coach Saban signed up with Alabama?' You know however they talk. And the Board of Trustees guy says, 'Yeah, I saw that.' And he says, 'That son of a *****. I feel like he's ******* my wife.'"

We don't know where the audio originated, or who inserted sound effects to block the words "*****" and "*******." It appears that the comments were made on January 4, following Saban's introductory press conference at Alabama.

And though we don't know whether it's real or a forgery, if it's a forgery it's a damn convincing forgery.

With letter-of-intent day for Saban's first recruiting class at Alabama arriving one week from today, this is something that Saban needs to clear up ASAP.

(Meanwhile, that sound you hear in the distance is Miami Dolphins fans around the world laughing their ***** off.)

With all that said, several readers have told us that "coon-***" is not regarded in the South as a racial slur, though we'd never heard the term in any other context. But some regard it as a slur against Cajun folk. This sentiment is echoed in the Wikipedia definition of the term. Other readers are shocked that the term could be regarded as anything other than offensive.

We'd never heard the word before this morning, and we're shocked that the letters "coon" would be considered acceptable in any context other than following the letters "rac".

Either way, it wasn't a moment of genius for Saban, and he has given his NCAA rivals even more ammunition for targeting his recruits.
 

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jcblanco22;1350953 said:
From www.profootballtalk.com

POSTED 7:52 a.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 8:42 a.m. EST, January 31, 2007

SABAN STEPS IN IT?

Former Dolphins coach Nick Saban possibly has dropped his shoe into a huge pile of poo with comments apparently made off the record to the Alabama press.

Several readers have sent the audio clip to us, in which Saban relates a story that was shared with him by one of the members of the LSU Board of Trustees. He likely didn't realize that someone's tape recorder was rolling.

Here's the audio. Here's the raw transcript:

"My friends are okay with it. The rest of those guys? One of my, one of my guy on the board -- you guys won't be able to put this on the thing -- was walking down the street, one of the Board of Trustees guys like these people around here and sitting up on the stage today at LSU, is walking down the street yesterday before the Sugar Bowl. He calls me. There's a guy working in a ditch. One of those coon-*** guys that talk funny. I can't talk like him but he can. Most people in Louisiana can. And he says, 'Hey, you see where Coach Saban signed up with Alabama?' You know however they talk. And the Board of Trustees guy says, 'Yeah, I saw that.' And he says, 'That son of a *****. I feel like he's ******* my wife.'"

We don't know where the audio originated, or who inserted sound effects to block the words "*****" and "*******." It appears that the comments were made on January 4, following Saban's introductory press conference at Alabama.

And though we don't know whether it's real or a forgery, if it's a forgery it's a damn convincing forgery.

With letter-of-intent day for Saban's first recruiting class at Alabama arriving one week from today, this is something that Saban needs to clear up ASAP.

(Meanwhile, that sound you hear in the distance is Miami Dolphins fans around the world laughing their ***** off.)

With all that said, several readers have told us that "coon-***" is not regarded in the South as a racial slur, though we'd never heard the term in any other context. But some regard it as a slur against Cajun folk. This sentiment is echoed in the Wikipedia definition of the term. Other readers are shocked that the term could be regarded as anything other than offensive.

We'd never heard the word before this morning, and we're shocked that the letters "coon" would be considered acceptable in any context other than following the letters "rac".

Either way, it wasn't a moment of genius for Saban, and he has given his NCAA rivals even more ammunition for targeting his recruits.

Is this guy related to John Calipari? What an idiot...
 

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Sure it wasn't Michael Richards?
 

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Coon-*** is not a racial term in Louisiana. Cajuns even call themselves that. PC gone crazy.
 

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I've never heard of that term before, but I will confirm that LSU fans are the worst I've ever encountered.

I'm sure there are some very nice LSU fans out there, but the ones that I encountered at the Sugar Bowl a few years ago were horribly obnoxious.
 

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That guy never heard the term "coon a**"?! Where has he been?

He might want to call around and find out that's what the Cajuns in Louisiana call themselves. My former office manager was from deep in the Louisiana bayous and he constantly referred to his family and himself as Coon a****.

I'm not sure why this is a story.
 

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Here in Frisco, TX the high school nickname for the team is the Frisco Coons as in Frisco Racoons. That lasted for many years until 2 years ago an African American parent of a student caused such a big stir, that they actually changed their t-shirts and signs from Frisco Coons to Frisco Racoons. PC gone amuck.
 

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CaptainAmerica;1350985 said:
That guy never heard the term "coon a**"?! Where has he been?

He might want to call around and find out that's what the Cajuns in Louisiana call themselves. My former office manager was from deep in the Louisiana bayous and he constantly referred to his family and himself as Coon a****.

I'm not sure why this is a story.

because its PFT. if i was saban i would sue them, because he said all of that off the record. even if it is PFT. saban would own them lol

the way they are pervceiving it, its slander
 

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Well it's definitely a regional thing and not necessarily a southern thing. Cuz if someone were to refer to me as that, I would be offended.

And maybe it's forgotten, but in years past, African Americans were referred to as coons and it wasn't meant as a joke or a term of endearment.

So I can see how it could be offensive to someone who hadn't heard the term in the manner used before.
 

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This is ridiculous! Everyone calls Cajuns, "coon-arses." It is not a derogatory name. It is not a black/white thing, it is a Louisiana thing.

These PFT guys must be from the northeast or Cali. Someone flog them.
 

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Good gosh... Mr. Florio needs to do his research...

Coon-Arse is in NO way a racial slur or even a slur... Many proud Cajuns refer to themselves as just that...

It is usually relegated to those that live in Southern Louisiana...
 
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CaptainAmerica;1350985 said:
I'm not sure why this is a story.

because demagoguery sells and it's one of the biggest tools in the journalistic tool belt. It's the height of slanderous hypocrisy for these journalists to accuse Saban of racial slurs while simultaneously, and unjustly, slurring him.
 

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Being born and raised in the Great state Of LA, I can say that the term Coonarse is nothing new or slander or a slur or anything of that nature. It is usually reserved for the people that in the deep south of LA. I have no idea where or why this is, but I heard that term my whole life and it was never associated with anything slanderous. ( is that a word)
 
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Danny White;1350976 said:
I've never heard of that term before, but I will confirm that LSU fans are the worst I've ever encountered.

I'm sure there are some very nice LSU fans out there, but the ones that I encountered at the Sugar Bowl a few years ago were horribly obnoxious.

You've obviously never made a trip to Morgantown, WV then.

WVU's fan behavior ranges from disrespectful at best to criminal.
 

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I live next to West Virginia, where Mr. Florio is from, and if I walked up to anyone (especially someone black) and called them coon-arse, I would get my arse kicked. Just sayin'. For us northern folks.
 

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trickblue;1351009 said:
Good gosh... Mr. Florio needs to do his research...

Coon-Arse is in NO way a racial slur or even a slur... Many proud Cajuns refer to themselves as just that...

It is usually relegated to those that live in Southern Louisiana...

Yup. No more offensive than "red neck" or "Hillbilly."
 

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Chevyman08;1350975 said:
Coon-*** is not a racial term in Louisiana. Cajuns even call themselves that. PC gone crazy.

then to dog the word itself - is just as ignorant of the locality and expecting them to be "like others" NOT in that area.

i've not seen that guy in a coon's age...

there. another example of local slang where they said "rac" has to be in front of the word itself.

people tend to look for things to be mad about. as for whatever saban said - i'll have to go read it again and maybe listen cause for now, i just don't see it. so he smarted off.

who doesn't?
 

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superpunk;1351042 said:
I live next to West Virginia, where Mr. Florio is from, and if I walked up to anyone (especially someone black) and called them coon-arse, I would get my arse kicked. Just sayin'. For us northern folks.

and my grandmother who was cajun would refer to this slang quite a bit as well. the general point is that the word itself is not automatic to a derogatory remark worthy of such an uproar.
 
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