FWIW Babe speculating on staff changes

[theebs]

I do not think it makes a lot of difference if they change coaches. It really just does not matter anymore.

Absolutely. As long as the royal family is going to pick players, coaches, set the tone in the media and concentrate on making money over winning it doesn't matter who coaches.

Having said that I still think this staff is especially poor or at least has been poor and made a lot of mistakes so far anyway.

 

[Future]

2014 will be awful I feel it

There's a good chance that next year looks exactly like 2010.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Absolutely. As long as the royal family is going to pick players, coaches, set the tone in the media and concentrate on making money over winning it doesn't matter who coaches.

Having said that I still think this staff is especially poor or at least has been poor and made a lot of mistakes so far anyway.

This is the most obvious reason why the Cowboys have not been able to improve, IMO. Lack of talent and injuries can only be used as an excuse for so long. The bottom line is the coaching staff overall (excluding Special Teams) has not placed their talent in the best position to maximize their abilities as individual players and as a team. They have one more year to get it right.

 

[pjtoadie]

There's a good chance that next year looks exactly like 2010.

Was thinking the exact same thing!

 

[Bowdown27]

If kiffin stays which is likely.....This board and myself have very low expectations for 2014.

 

[Sasquatch]

Getting a little tired of the annual revelation that one of the coaches on the team doesn't mesh with Jason Garrett.

Ray Sherman? Nope.

Skip Peete? Nope.

Rob Ryan? Nope.

Now Bill Callahan?

Hey Jason, maybe it's not everyone else.....maybe it's you.

I've thought that this might be a potential issue, too, but is it because Garrett doesn't vet candidates well enough or because he is not the one making the hires?

Also, would you add Wade to this list?

 

[burmafrd]

can anyone look at our staff and really say we have a top 5 staff in the League?

 

[jterrell]

It seems there is little to suggest we make any real changes.
Garrett is on a final year deal and his staff is under contract.

Jerry's comments that we felt talent was lesser this year suggest impetus this off-season will be on player acquisition and development.

Bring in Norv and promoting RM are minor changes that won't make a ton of difference.
RM is likely to run things much as Kiff did.
Turner would run the ball more than Callahan but would that just mean Murray was hurt more?
In the end why bring in new coordinators for essentially a lame duck coach.
The only reason these guys take those roles is if they are promised interviews should Garrett fail.
And we've seen that before Garrett and Wade.
We don't need more stories of sabotage.

If Garrett wins enough to get a new deal he should be allowed to hire his own coordinators next off-season without Jerry interference.
That may end up as Norv and RM but if so let them be Jason hires.

Because of the salary cap Jerry should have the highest paid coaching staff in the NFL.
We should have more coaches and every possible staff member.
And the head coach should direct these things.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

can anyone look at our staff and really say we have a top 5 staff in the League?

No, but that could change.

A lot of these guys have skins on the wall so where is the disconnect? I think Garrett has to make a major leap with his learning curve because his process is not getting it done. He needs to step outside the box and devise a plan (with his coordinators) that will get the most out of each individual player that suits up on Sundays. First step: prepare a plan for the draft….

 

[jterrell]

can anyone look at our staff and really say we have a top 5 staff in the League?

No, but that isn't going to change regardless of who we try to hire right now.
Our best bet for a top 5 staff is a new staff next season hired a by a top 5 head coach and funded at top dollar by Jerry who can then spend his efforts making that money back.

 

[jazzcat22]

I don't know what to think but if we had Norv and Rob as our coordinators, we would be better off than retaining Kiffin and Callahan in their current roles. But, it is a double-edged sword.

I am becoming more appeased to the idea of keeping everything the same in a do or die season though. If they fail again, then clean house....all of it and start from scratch.

My biggest worry is bringing in Norv under the assumption that he could possibly be interim head coach as a plan B. This is undermining Garretts's job just as it did with Wade, same scenario basically.

Can't believe it is so hard to have one chief instead of many around there. Well, we do have one chief who has smoked too much Peyote who changes direction like a Texas tumbleweed.

As a popular Texas Hold-Em saying..........just let-it-ride and see where the cards take us. I don't want Norv to be the next head coach at all.

I tend to agree with this. Leave it the same, see what happens. For multiple reasons.
My first thoughts, or what I thought would happen. Callahan stays, but OL only along with game planning. Garrett goes back to calling plays. Kiffin retires, stays as consultant, Marinelli becomes DC, bring in new DL coach, promote Lett.

No need for a OC, especially Norv, to possibly be an interim coach. That undermines everything. If you plan to sink or swim with same staff, then do it. If injuries on defense was the real issue, then if healthy, it's swim. If not then it's sink. And if it's sink, then you blow up the staff, and start over with everyone, none of this retaining people crap, no possible new coaches or interim coaches on the staff.
This also allows with an entire new staff, time to prepare the future QB with the new staff.

 

[Risen Star]

I would laugh if we're waiting until everyone's done with their vacation. It would be soooo this team to do it that way.

This is the time to get things done and have the largest pool of candidates possible. You don't worry about when is a good time. If you're going to make a move, make it.

 

[jterrell]

No, but that could change.

A lot of these guys have skins on the wall so where is the disconnect? I think Garrett has to make a major leap with his learning curve because his process is not getting it done. He needs to step outside the box and devise a plan (with his coordinators) that will get the most out of each individual player that suits up on Sundays. First step: prepare a plan for the draft….

IMHO it is in being forward-thinking not worrying about skins.

I am over 40 and work in IT. What was utilized even 10 years ago to run IT systems is a dinosaur.
Being an expert 10 years ago is largely meaningless today.

Football is not that different.
You need to stay abreast of the college game and what works there.
You need to understand what athletes are running in high schools because you will eventually see those guys as pros.

Things like tempo and pick plays and width plays are all too common yet well underutilized or non-existent in Dallas.

Fish likes to refer to Walsh having invented the WR in motion in the late 60s.
What we need is not to run a 1980 Walsh system but to have a Bill Walsh type innovator.

And defensively it is pretty much common knowledge you can not win running a pure tampa 2 anymore.
Nothing wrong with a 4-3 base but truth is good schemes are agnostic and utilize 3, 4 and 5 DL at different times.
Very few line up the same play after play and try to beat you.

The thing for me with Garrett is does he have an offense? I don't think so.
I think he's run other people's offenses without ever creating his own philosophy or spin on anything.
So maybe we could see some of that this coming season and maybe that gets him an extension and starts something special.

The problem with merely emulating what works is while you are installing what works other teams are preparing to beat it.

 

[Direwolf63]

No, but that isn't going to change regardless of who we try to hire right now.
Our best bet for a top 5 staff is a new staff next season hired a by a top 5 head coach and funded at top dollar by Jerry who can then spend his efforts making that money back.

The only way that's going to happen is if this team finishes 2-14 or worse. Jerry doesn't want a top 5 head coach because that head coach wants authority to hire his staff. Jerry thinks he's smarter than the head coaches out there what he says, goes.

Plus, a top 5 staff requires top 5 salaries as you say. But Jerry doesn't want that because coaches salaries eats right into his bottom line. Why would Jerry pay out all that money when he's smarter than everybody else and has all the answers, or so he thinks?

Jerry is a delusional meglamaniac. He has the most narcasisstic personality I've ever seen. What's described above is how he thinks and why he will never hire a top 5 staff. The only way it happens is if he finally admits to himself that he can't do it alone. That he needs help. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.

 

[Risen Star]

I do not think it makes a lot of difference if they change coaches. It really just does not matter anymore.

I don't believe there's anything wrong with the head coach or the offensive staff. Last year, I would have told you there was nothing wrong with the entire coaching staff but our current defensive coordinator needs to be put down humanely.

 

[Wood]

2014 will be awful I feel it

you would be correct:

* your QB is one hit away from permanent disability and $25 million cap hit (20 million in dead money) after 2014 season.
* your head coach probably wasn't ready and has been underminded to point its virtually impossible to have credibility.
* your entire DL needs to be replaced.
* your CBs were either over-paid or drafted too high.
* your GM can't internalize that he isn't very good.

 

[Direwolf63]

IMHO it is in being forward-thinking not worrying about skins.

I am over 40 and work in IT. What was utilized even 10 years ago to run IT systems is a dinosaur.
Being an expert 10 years ago is largely meaningless today.

Football is not that different.
You need to stay abreast of the college game and what works there.
You need to understand what athletes are running in high schools because you will eventually see those guys as pros.

Things like tempo and pick plays and width plays are all too common yet well underutilized or non-existent in Dallas.

Fish likes to refer to Walsh having invented the WR in motion in the late 60s.
What we need is not to run a 1980 Walsh system but to have a Bill Walsh type innovator.

And defensively it is pretty much common knowledge you can not win running a pure tampa 2 anymore.
Nothing wrong with a 4-3 base but truth is good schemes are agnostic and utilize 3, 4 and 5 DL at different times.
Very few line up the same play after play and try to beat you.

The thing for me with Garrett is does he have an offense? I don't think so.
I think he's run other people's offenses without ever creating his own philosophy or spin on anything.
So maybe we could see some of that this coming season and maybe that gets him an extension and starts something special.

The problem with merely emulating what works is while you are installing what works other teams are preparing to beat it.

I agree with most of this. This team needs innovators. Bringing in dinosaurs like Norv Turner, Kiffin and the like won't work in todays game. But that's what you get when you listen to other dinosaurs like Larry Lacewell. More dinosaurs.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I don't believe there's anything wrong with the head coach or the offensive staff. Last year, I would have told you there was nothing wrong with the entire coaching staff but our current defensive coordinator needs to be put down humanely.

I think he flew out last night for his vacation in Turks and Caicos. Jerry should strike now.

 

[jterrell]

The only way that's going to happen is if this team finishes 2-14 or worse. Jerry doesn't want a top 5 head coach because that head coach wants authority to hire his staff. Jerry thinks he's smarter than the head coaches out there what he says, goes.

Plus, a top 5 staff requires top 5 salaries as you say. But Jerry doesn't want that because coaches salaries eats right into his bottom line. Why would Jerry pay out all that money when he's smarter than everybody else and has all the answers, or so he thinks?

Jerry is a delusional meglamaniac. He has the most narcasisstic personality I've ever seen. What's described above is how he thinks and why he will never hire a top 5 staff. The only way it happens is if he finally admits to himself that he can't do it alone. That he needs help. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.

You very well could be right.
But Jerry did hire BP and give him even more authority than I am describing after multiple 5 win seasons.
And he certainly saw that as a culture change.

Plus there's a chance Jerry isn't making decisions next year via health or other concerns.

 

[speedkilz88]

I agree with most of this. This team needs innovators. Bringing in dinosaurs like Norv Turner, Kiffin and the like won't work in todays game. But that's what you get when you listen to other dinosaurs like Larry Lacewell. More dinosaurs.

Only Norv Turner and Marinelli aren't dinosaurs. They are two of the more successful coordinators that have been in the league for quite some time.