FWIW Babe speculating on staff changes

[Hoofbite]

I'd be very surprised to find that many coaches with everyone being all warm and fuzzy. You can be professional without liking someone.

Maybe not but they'd be coexisting on the same team. If you're on Jason's bad side, you'll soon be on the outside.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'd be very surprised to find that many coaches with everyone being all warm and fuzzy. You can be professional without liking someone.

Well that list shows Garrett is not very well liked then............most guys that are promoted and given top jobs when they have not earned it are usually not the most popular guys around the water cooler.

Could it be that coaches that have had to earn their stripes and work their way from the bottom up dont take to kindly to Garrett being "head coach in training" as Jerry stated?

Why else are this many coaches clashing with Garrett? Maybe they see that he does not know what he is doing and blowing games due to his mistakes are hurting their reputations? Serious question, why are these many coaches not getting along with Garrett?

 

[Idgit]

Well that list shows Garrett is not very well liked then............most guys that are promoted and given top jobs when they have not earned it are usually not the most popular guys around the water cooler.

Could it be that coaches that have had to earn their stripes and work their way from the bottom up dont take to kindly to Garrett being "head coach in training" as Jerry stated?

Why else are this many coaches clashing with Garrett? Maybe they see that he does not know what he is doing and blowing games due to his mistakes are hurting their reputations? Serious question, why are these many coaches not getting along with Garrett?

Well, the easy explanation is that it's supposition that any of them actually don't like Garret in the first place.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe not but they'd be coexisting on the same team. If you're on Jason's bad side, you'll soon be on the outside.

It's been interesting watching you write your story as this thread has evolved.

 

[Hoofbite]

It's been interesting watching you write your story as this thread has evolved.

What was you favorite part?

My first post of about 40 words or the second one that was just about half of that?

 

[jobberone]

Well that list shows Garrett is not very well liked then............most guys that are promoted and given top jobs when they have not earned it are usually not the most popular guys around the water cooler.

Could it be that coaches that have had to earn their stripes and work their way from the bottom up dont take to kindly to Garrett being "head coach in training" as Jerry stated?

Why else are this many coaches clashing with Garrett? Maybe they see that he does not know what he is doing and blowing games due to his mistakes are hurting their reputations? Serious question, why are these many coaches not getting along with Garrett?

Why ask loaded questions?

 

[jobberone]

Maybe not but they'd be coexisting on the same team. If you're on Jason's bad side, you'll soon be on the outside.

I wasn't implying anyone in particular wasn't getting along with anyone in particular. Just a general statement that is often true when you get enough people working together. And if there is conflict then often it is best in the long term to get rid of the conflict if its disrupting the goals of the team. Not sure I or Garrett would fire someone just because I didn't like them. I'd use the criteria of does this person help this team.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Serious question, why are these many coaches not getting along with Garrett?

To answer, I will use my brother as an example. When asked why every dog we ever owned (five total) bit him he replied, "Because they all had a problem."

 

[TNCowboy]

I don't think it's an assumption at this point.

The OP was almost suggesting that Garrett should be seen as some kind of sympathetic figure. Sorry, not buying it. He didn't have to take this job if he thought it was a dead end -- after almost a decade in this organization plus his dad's experience, no one knew what Jerry would be like better than he did.

And if it's truly that impossible, quit and go somewhere else. But Garrett doesn't have the character or fortitude of a Mike Munchak. He knows he won't make four or five million at his next job, so he's going to keep treading water as long as he can, while as you say throwing under the bus pretty much everyone else from his assistants to the QB who repeatedly saves his butt

The "Poor Jason" angle also assumes he would ever become a good coach with the right experience. Nah, I don't believe that. Most people with true talent show it pretty early. Think giving Jim Zorn more time would let him blossom into a great coach? No, it only would have meant more losing for the Commanders. At least Snyder was smart enough to cut his losses there.

But our Jason Zorn? Nope, keep him in as long as possible. Continuity, baby.

Changing HC would have only minimal impact the way things are ran by Jones. If we had the best coach available, he'd probably have dragged this team into the playoffs, but they'd still be a far cry from competing with the top NFC teams. Compare the Cowboys to Seattle and SF and the talent difference is so vast they would both probably beat Dallas 9 out of 10 games. There is no coaching change which makes the Cowboys a contender, as long as that coach has to work under Jones' thumb.

And no, Garrett isn't a sympathetic figure and Jim Zorn is probably an excellent comparison, but the environment he works in makes it impossible for him to succeed.

Coaching is an issue in Dallas, but it isn't the issue.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Yes, that's the spirit...

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I this Jerry and the family on vacation?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What was you favorite part?

My first post of about 40 words or the second one that was just about half of that?

Favorite implies that you like one. I am not a fan of fantasy in place of reality.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Changing HC would have only minimal impact the way things are ran by Jones. If we had the best coach available, he'd probably have dragged this team into the playoffs, but they'd still be a far cry from competing with the top NFC teams. Compare the Cowboys to Seattle and SF and the talent difference is so vast they would both probably beat Dallas 9 out of 10 games. There is no coaching change which makes the Cowboys a contender, as long as that coach has to work under Jones' thumb.

And no, Garrett isn't a sympathetic figure and Jim Zorn is probably an excellent comparison, but the environment he works in makes it impossible for him to succeed.

Coaching is an issue in Dallas, but it isn't the issue.

How are things run?

Please be specific.

 

[Risen Star]

Changing HC would have only minimal impact the way things are ran by Jones. If we had the best coach available, he'd probably have dragged this team into the playoffs, but they'd still be a far cry from competing with the top NFC teams. Compare the Cowboys to Seattle and SF and the talent difference is so vast they would both probably beat Dallas 9 out of 10 games. There is no coaching change which makes the Cowboys a contender, as long as that coach has to work under Jones' thumb.

And no, Garrett isn't a sympathetic figure and Jim Zorn is probably an excellent comparison, but the environment he works in makes it impossible for him to succeed.

Coaching is an issue in Dallas, but it isn't the issue.

It would not surprise me at all if Jason Garrett goes on to a sane NFL city and shows he's a very good coach.

Of course at that time our fans will have demonized another head coach here as a completely clueless buffoon incapable of winning with all our talent.

 

[TNCowboy]

How are things run?

Please be specific.

If you can't see it for yourself, you're willfully ignorant or just blind as a bat.

 

[Idgit]

It would not surprise me at all if Jason Garrett goes on to a sane NFL city and shows he's a very good coach.

Of course at that time our fans will have demonized another head coach here as a completely clueless buffoon incapable of winning with all our talent.

He'll have gotten the Zimmer treatment if he does. It'll be interesting to see how Mike does in MIN if/when that's announced.

 

[L-O-Jete]

It would not surprise me at all if Jason Garrett goes on to a sane NFL city and shows he's a very good coach.

Of course at that time our fans will have demonized another head coach here as a completely clueless buffoon incapable of winning with all our talent.

Even though I agree he'd have more "success" elsewhere, his decisions (no feel for the game, waffles between going for the kill and playing conservative) and time managment have been found lacking, and that is mainly on him.

 

[khiladi]

The best place Jason Garrett has for success is at Valley Ranch, where Jerry pays him the big bucks while he continues to make bumbling errors and then attempt to assist him with an experienced staff. If things work, give credit to JG alleged genius and if things fail, you've got a scapegoat, the reason being Jerry wants to look like a genius for grabbing the next phenom coach.

Nobody other than Jerry affords Garrett so much leeway.

Guy is a total buffoon of an OC and HC.

 

[jterrell]

Even though I agree he'd have more "success" elsewhere, his decisions (no feel for the game, waffles between going for the kill and playing conservative) and time managment have been found lacking, and that is mainly on him.

Tend to agree with both of you guys.
I also think it's more than fair to note those miscues have been reduced greatly.
I thought Jason outcoached Chip Kelly twice. We lost that second game because we had tremendously less talent on the field.
Had Philly played with half a brain they'd have beat us by 20.

In prior games we lost coaching battles regularly.

 

[khiladi]

Bottom of the league in play-action two years prior to his demotion, along with two years in a row of career high sacks. He has no ability to blend a passing game and running game, which is why no defense is fooled by his passing routes.

This is the same guy Wade, over four years ago, was trying to get help with Dan Reeves to work on that running game. This guy is still stuck with the same issues.

 

[Idgit]

Bottom of the league in play-action two years prior to his demotion, along with two years in a row of career high sacks. He has no ability to blend a passing game and running game, which is why no defense is fooled by his passing routes.

This is the same guy Wade, over four years ago, was trying to get help with Dan Reeves to work on that running game. This guy is still stuck with the same issues.

I don't agree with your take on Jason much at all, but I'm with you on the play action part. Don't get it.