FWIW Babe speculating on staff changes

[MaineBoy]

Josh McDaniel is an interesting case. I see many similarities between him and Garrett. They both did some very good work as coordinators but weren't ready to take on the HC position. The difference is that Denver saw this after a year and a half while Jerry is still holding onto Garrett. Now McDaniels is succeeding again under Belichek. I thought he called a brilliant game against the Colts, running the ball over 40 times and wearing out that defense.

Meanwhile, Garrett is still stuck in neutral at 8-8. I think it would do wonders if Garrett went back to OC, like McDaniels has.

Garrett did some very good work as an OC ? When ? Where ? He had one good season his first season because nobody was expecting a playbook the old Cowboy playbook from 1993. After that, he had the same problems they have now; abandon the run, pass pattterns take forever to develop, 3 yard dump-offs on 3rd and anything longer that 5 yards, same 6 yard out to TE.....

 

[Bullflop]

I think it's bound to help to some extent getting the injured players back on defense next season. As to whether it's enough to make the difference between mediocrity and being a winner, it's another question. I wouldn't be inclined to bet on it at this point. If a pleasant surprise is on the horizon, it's definitely not especially apparent by anything that has happened as yet. You might believe there's realistically nowhere to go but up but it seems to me that if continuity is our strategy for the offseason, it's a pretty depressing thought to me.

 

[big dog cowboy]

With the cap situation, the aging players

We have a cap situation every year. What aging players? Romo, Witten and Ware?

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

We have a cap situation every year. What aging players? Romo, Witten and Ware?

Yes, those aging players......and your right, we always seem to have to work around the cap....just like other teams....

But, take those two issues away from my argument. And leave the schedule next year as an obstacle....i still only see us winning 5 games.......

 

[Aven8]

I would laugh if we're waiting until everyone's done with their vacation. It would be soooo this team to do it that way.

This is the time to get things done and have the largest pool of candidates possible. You don't worry about when is a good time. If you're going to make a move, make it.

Get real. You know your old pal Jerry. He changes his mind like he changes underwear. He could be all for somebody today, and tomorrow be ready to fire him.

(I do agree with your premise however) Pretty freaking shady last year to call Rob on the beach, and if that was Jerry's decision if I were Red I wouldn't have made the call. I would have told him to do it!

 

[visionary]

Garrett did some very good work as an OC ? When ? Where ? He had one good season his first season because nobody was expecting a playbook the old Cowboy playbook from 1993. After that, he had the same problems they have now; abandon the run, pass pattterns take forever to develop, 3 yard dump-offs on 3rd and anything longer that 5 yards, same 6 yard out to TE.....

Yeah
People just don't pay attention

 

[khiladi]

Honestly, I can't be mad at Garrett. It isn't his fault. Who would turn down a position where you're getting paid millions upon millions of dollars and have no real accountability, but have a built in excuse system for you at every turn? Garrett's development as a head coach is being ruined by Jerry Jones' ego... Jerry keeps Garrett in there because to Jerry, it's not about winning. It's about winning Jerry's way, and losing is acceptable if he can't win his way. Garrett should still be an assistant and spending more years learning the game with some of the best coaches in the league, gaining the knowledge necessary to sustain a long career as head coach. Instead, he was fast tracked into a position he wasn't ready for and the results bear witness to that. Who will hire Garrett as a HC after the performances he's had here? And I can't blame him for those performances because he should still be learning the game somewhere. It's like Jerry still wants to prove HE was the cause of those 3 superbowls in the 90s and not Jimmy Johnson, so we get what we have today. Fast tracking someone into positions they are not ready for is not a positive thing. It's like me getting some guy off the street who is a pretty solid street fighter and instead of slowly allowing him to progress up the ranks, I'm tossing him against champs. I've essentially ruined his career because I didn't give him time to develop gradually and learn how to compete against that top competition and his record is now littered with losses.

I'd agree with you, but Garrett likes to throw everybody under the bus, so I just assume he sucks and will always suck, because he was born to suck.

 

[khiladi]

I will say this: Marinelli had success in Chicago before he went to Dallas.

Norv Turner is still collecting paychecks riding the coattails of Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith and Micheal Irvin.

You don't remember the Dave Schula play-calling of old?

 

[Fredd]

I'd agree with you, but Garrett likes to throw everybody under the bus, so I just assume he sucks and will always suck, because he was born to suck.

Jason Hoover?

 

[Risen Star]

Get real. You know your old pal Jerry. He changes his mind like he changes underwear. He could be all for somebody today, and tomorrow be ready to fire him.

(I do agree with your premise however) Pretty freaking shady last year to call Rob on the beach, and if that was Jerry's decision if I were Red I wouldn't have made the call. I would have told him to do it!

I think I'd make the call too. Anything to stop massaging his feet.

 

[Kristen82]

2014 will be awful I feel it

Yes, that's the spirit...

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[gimmesix]

I would laugh if we're waiting until everyone's done with their vacation. It would be soooo this team to do it that way.

This is the time to get things done and have the largest pool of candidates possible. You don't worry about when is a good time. If you're going to make a move, make it.

IMO, if they are planning to make a move, they already have the candidates they want lined up.

 

[MikeT22]

I am over 40 and work in IT. What was utilized even 10 years ago to run IT systems is a dinosaur.
Being an expert 10 years ago is largely meaningless today.

Football is not that different.

And defensively it is pretty much common knowledge you can not win running a pure tampa 2 anymore.
Nothing wrong with a 4-3 base but truth is good schemes are agnostic and utilize 3, 4 and 5 DL at different times.

So true. It's almost as if when we decided to go back to the 4-3 Jerry went to the best 4-3 coach he knew the last time we ran that defense. Problem is that was 10 years ago. Kiffin may have been the hot commodity after the 2002 season, but a decade later teams caught on to the Tampa 2, not to mention Kiffin now being 73.

Maybe after Kiffin is gone Jerry can bring back the flex defense. Has anyone seen Gene Stallings lately?

 

[BAT]

They are undoubtedly dinosaurs.
As to their successful Coordinator nature that depends on how recent you mean.

Norv is 61 and spent the year as OC for the Browns who cleaned house after only 1 year.
The offense didn't have a ton of talent and wasn't very good.

The Chargers whom Norv left played yesterday.

Marinelli is 64. He is considered the best DL coach in the game.
He actually only has 3 years of DC experience as an NFL coach.

He has as much as HC where he manged to win at an absurdly bad %20 clip.

End of the day there's little evidence Marinelli ever wants to be a DC again.
He's held the position for very few of his long coaching years.

Norv's offense is rooted in very basic and successful norms.
But that makes him VERY predictable.

If Marinelli only wants to be a DL coach then bring in Dennis Thurman and/or Ken Norton Jr. as DC. Thurman has had tons of success with Rex Ryan in both NY and Baltimore. Kenny's Seattle and USC defenses are physical and athletic, cocky but disciplined. Both guys are not just former Cowboys (i.e. Dat Nguyen & Leon Lett) but both have proven track record of coaching success.

As for the offense, I want to see an innovative take no prisoners coach like Art Briles as OC.

 

[speedkilz88]

Yes, those aging players......and your right, we always seem to have to work around the cap....just like other teams....

But, take those two issues away from my argument. And leave the schedule next year as an obstacle....i still only see us winning 5 games.......

Quit being a negative nancy. Recent history shows they will be 8-8....again.

 

[MikeT22]

Quit being a negative nancy. Recent history shows they will be 8-8....again.

And that win or go home final game of the season is almost like a playoff loss every year. What's not to like?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

1-15 would land Winston.

 

[jobberone]

Getting a little tired of the annual revelation that one of the coaches on the team doesn't mesh with Jason Garrett.

Ray Sherman? Nope.

Skip Peete? Nope.

Rob Ryan? Nope.

Now Bill Callahan?

Hey Jason, maybe it's not everyone else.....maybe it's you.

I'd be very surprised to find that many coaches with everyone being all warm and fuzzy. You can be professional without liking someone.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'd agree with you, but Garrett likes to throw everybody under the bus, so I just assume he sucks and will always suck, because he was born to suck.

I don't think it's an assumption at this point.

The OP was almost suggesting that Garrett should be seen as some kind of sympathetic figure. Sorry, not buying it. He didn't have to take this job if he thought it was a dead end -- after almost a decade in this organization plus his dad's experience, no one knew what Jerry would be like better than he did.

And if it's truly that impossible, quit and go somewhere else. But Garrett doesn't have the character or fortitude of a Mike Munchak. He knows he won't make four or five million at his next job, so he's going to keep treading water as long as he can, while as you say throwing under the bus pretty much everyone else from his assistants to the QB who repeatedly saves his butt

The "Poor Jason" angle also assumes he would ever become a good coach with the right experience. Nah, I don't believe that. Most people with true talent show it pretty early. Think giving Jim Zorn more time would let him blossom into a great coach? No, it only would have meant more losing for the Commanders. At least Snyder was smart enough to cut his losses there.

But our Jason Zorn? Nope, keep him in as long as possible. Continuity, baby.

 

[Aven8]

I don't think it's an assumption at this point.

The OP was almost suggesting that Garrett should be seen as some kind of sympathetic figure. Sorry, not buying it. He didn't have to take this job if he thought it was a dead end -- after almost a decade in this organization plus his dad's experience, no one knew what Jerry would be like better than he did.

And if it's truly that impossible, quit and go somewhere else. But Garrett doesn't have the character or fortitude of a Mike Munchak. He knows he won't make four or five million at his next job, so he's going to keep treading water as long as he can, while as you say throwing under the bus pretty much everyone else from his assistants to the QB who repeatedly saves his butt

The "Poor Jason" angle also assumes he would ever become a good coach with the right experience. Nah, I don't believe that. Most people with true talent show it pretty early. Think giving Jim Zorn more time would let him blossom into a great coach? No, it only would have meant more losing for the Commanders. At least Snyder was smart enough to cut his losses there.

But our Jason Zorn? Nope, keep him in as long as possible. Continuity, baby.

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