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[khiladi]

Why would it affect it? Shouldn't we always be trying to find the best players we can regardless or where we pick?

Seriously guy... does it need to be explained that there are limitations in getting personnel based upon the salary cap? You try and find the best players with what you have.

The fact is, what BP had, and what JJ had during the years of salary cap hell, are totally different.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I won't say Jerry is a buffoon, you don't make it to be where he's gotten in his life by being a buffoon.

But let's be clear on this ... Parcells may be the butt of all jokes about hiring "his guys", but no one is more of a "my guy" man than Jerry. Jerry's right hand men are his sons. That's how tight his inner circle is. Any other organization, a player personnel guy is fired after about 3 failed drafts. Lacewell makes it ten failed drafts, and never gets fired. He's Jerry's guy. Parcells had to run him off, and then Lacewell is allowed back at the Ranch before Parcells' seat is even cold. The amazing thing is he's astonished and apparently bitter that he lost his job after a decade of incompetence. He can't believe it happened. Hiring Barry Switzer was the biggest joke of the decade in the NFL, but Jerry did it because Switzer was "Jerry's guy" If this isn't the definition of "good ole boy" network, I don't know what is. I'll never question Jerry's dedication and will to win, but he needs a braintrust around him. Not just guys he can drink beers with and swap ole' Razorback stories with.

 

[Boysboy]

Huh? What does Reid have to do with it?

Parcells was here when we drafted Witten, Barber and signed Columbo.

Yes-when it was Philly's turn to make their selections in their selective rounds, Witten and Barber were STILL on the board, but they decided to get Smith and Moats instead. Also-IF Buffalo had selected Broderick Bunkley(like most draft pundits had them doing so), Philly would have made Justice their #1 pick(but Buffalo didn't, and BB ended up falling in their laps, and then when Justice wasn't taken in the 1st round, they got him in the 2nd). Of course, Philly may have been alot better opting to get Columbo in FA instead.

Anyhow, Dude-at least 1/2 of the posts in this thread have been made by YOU(and they largely have been worriful and negative). What are you afraid of? And makes you think most FO's, like Philly's, are way better than us?

 

[Dodger12]

Try google or better yet the numerous books written on the early 90's Cowboys.

It is rather embarrassing to use Roger's nickname and attach it to such clearly ill-informed opinions.

"Google?" Try using your own advice before you come on here and spout.

"Embarrassing?" Friend, what's embarrassing is to call someone's opinions ill-informed when he's provided a link which quoted both the owner/GM (Jerry) and the HC (Jimmy) to back up his argument. So far, I've seen nothing from you but unsubstantiated gibberish.

We fell apart because Larry Lacewell took over personnel and scouting. That is certainly true but Jimmy was never a 1 man front office, same as BP wasn't. The Cowboys personnel guy originally was Bob Ackles and he was plenty good at his job.

Follow along. I never said Jimmy was a one man show. This conversation was not about Jimmy's drafting prowess or lack thereof. We were discussing who was the concensus #1 pick and whether or not Jimmy wanted Mandarich over Aikman as someone else claimed.

It is also much harder to draft at 30ish in each round than it is with a ton of very high draft picks.

Probably the worst GM Jerry move was trading for Joey Galloway in an attempt to stretch out this run. Had we had yearly paring down like what NE does we could have lasted as a dynasty for a while longer but ultimately when Troy was gone we needed a new QB and had no idea how to get one.

Jerry was far to loyal to guys in their 30s like Charles Haley, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith et al. Those guys all hurt us in cap cash and in performance at the end of their careers or as their cash sat on the books past their playing days.

I agree. But what's with your fixation that I'm somehow busting on Jerry? You're obsessed and assume that to defend one means that your knocking down the other but I'm not cutting on Jerry in the least with regards to the Aikman pick, which was the original point of my discusion and responses.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I won't say Jerry is a buffoon, you don't make it to be where he's gotten in his life by being a buffoon.

But let's be clear on this ... Parcells may be the butt of all jokes about hiring "his guys", but no one is more of a "my guy" man than Jerry. Jerry's right hand men are his sons and his family. That's how close his inner circle is. Any other organization, a player personnel guy is fired after about 3 failed drafts. Lacewell makes it ten failed drafts, and never gets fired. He's Jerry's guy. Parcells had to run him off, and then Lacewell is allowed back at the Ranch before Parcells' seat is even cold. The amazing thing is he's astonished and apparently bitter that he lost his job after a decade of incompetence. Hiring Barry Switzer was the biggest joke of the decade in the NFL, but Jerry did it because Switzer was "Jerry's guy". He was Jerry's guy, because he and Lacewell coached together. Did you know Switzer was accused of spying on Longhorn practices, coordinated by Lacewell and the guy caught "spying" is now an employee of Jerry's? If this isn't the definition of "good ole boy" network, I don't know what is.

I'll never question Jerry's dedication and will to win, but he needs a braintrust around him. Not just guys he can drink beers with and swap ole' Razorback stories with.

 

[Dodger12]

Ah yes, quotes from Jimmy after the draft saying that Aikman was their guy. That's convincing. Actions speak louder than words. And the action of drafting a QB in the supplemental draft rings loud and clear.

Read your own article that you rpovided a link for. They were negotiating with Aikman and his agent early in April and prior to the draft. But I guess that was a sham, even though they agreed to a contract.

 

[theogt]

Read your own article that you rpovided a link for. They were negotiating with Aikman and his agent early in April and prior to the draft. But I guess that was a sham, even though they agreed to a contract.

Yes, they were. But that wasn't necessarily because Jimmy wanted him #1 overall.

 

[Dodger12]

I guess some people expect Jimmy to say,

"man I never wanted Aikman, but Jerry was being a little cry-baby, so I decided to draft him..."

You guys can deny and deny, but so far I haven't seen a thing from that backs up what you're opinion. The best Theoogt could do was provide a link that makes no mention of what he's claiming. Yeah, rock solid there pal.......

 

[Bach]

Seriously guy... does it need to be explained that there are limitations in getting personnel based upon the salary cap? You try and find the best players with what you have.

The fact is, what BP had, and what JJ had during the years of salary cap hell, are totally different.

I fully understand what we had. You act like we had no first or second round picks in those days. Guess what, we had first round picks most years. On glowing exception was when Jerry decided to give away 2 first rounders for Galloway. That was brilliant.

The salary cap has nothing to do with drafting. Even the couple of years we did trade down from the low first to the early 2nd, we ended up with multiple picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. There are plenty of very good players available in those first day rounds, yet since we had incompetents like Jerry and Lacewell running the draft, we ended up reaching for player after player and the core of team suffered as a result.

But please continue making excuses. I'd take Jimmy or Parcells 3rd and 4th round picks over most of Jerry's 1st and 2nd rounders.

 

[khiladi]

I fully understand what we had. You act like we had no first or second round picks in those days. Guess what, we had first round picks most years. On glowing exception was when Jerry decided to give away 2 first rounders for Galloway. That was brilliant.

If Galloway was playing in Dallas, like he is playing in Tampa Bay now, would it have really been brilliant? If Galloway didn't get injured his first game, and the Cowboys had both the Rocket and Galloway to spread the field, do you think that move would have been extremely stupid? You would be talking about two of the fastest receivers in the game that could actually play the WR position. That offense, at least passing wise, would have been freaking' ridiculous.

Hey, but houw about Parcells? He traded Galloway to Tampa Bay for Keyshawn Johnson. That was brilliant!

The salary cap has nothing to do with drafting. Even the couple of years we did trade down from the low first to the early 2nd, we ended up with multiple picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. There are plenty of very good players available in those first day rounds, yet since we had incompetents like Jerry and Lacewell running the draft, we ended up reaching for player after player and the core of team suffered as a result.

I didn't say it had anything to do with drafting. You said it did. BTW, our core during those years was a man by the name of Troy Aikman, and Emmitt Smith. We were trying to get players for these core players.

 

[Bach]

Anyhow, Dude-at least 1/2 of the posts in this thread have been made by YOU(and they largely have been worriful and negative). What are you afraid of? And makes you think most FO's, like Philly's, are way better than us?

Again, what does Philly have to do with anything? Where did I ever mention them?

Also, 1/2 the posts? I think I have about 20 out over 110. I take it you weren't a math major.

 

[Boysboy]

Again, what does Philly have to do with anything? Where did I ever mention them?

Also, 1/2 the posts? I think I have about 20 out over 110. I take it you weren't a math major.

Didn't you say awhile back that Andy Reid, compared to Jerry, is a drafting machine? Was just pointing out that when they had Witten and Barber in their laps, he opted for Smith and Moats instead. And not to mention too the disasterous busts in Mitchell, Pinkston, and recently Justice.

 

[Bach]

I didn't say it had anything to do with drafting. You said it did.

Originally Posted by khiladi View Post
Seriously guy... does it need to be explained that there are limitations in getting personnel based upon the salary cap? You try and find the best players with what you have.

Uh, right here, you just said it. Does it need to be explained that the main way teams acquire personnel is through the draft? You act like the cap caused limitations upon this.

My main contention has been that with Jimmy and BP we have tended to draft well and make good personnel decisions overall. The years Jerry and Lacewell were in charge of personnel (draft, FA, trades) we struggled and fell to consecutive 5-11 seasons.

It's really rather clear.

 

[Bach]

Didn't you say awhile back that Andy Reid, compared to Jerry, is a drafting machine? Was just pointing out that when they had Witten and Barber in their laps, he opted for Smith and Moats instead. And not to mention too the disasterous busts in Mitchell, Pinkston, and recently Justice.

Nope. I never mentioned Andy Reid.

 

[khiladi]

Uh, right here, you just said it. Does it need to be explained that the main way teams acquire personnel is through the draft? You act like the cap caused limitations upon this.

My main contention has been that with Jimmy and BP we have tended to draft well and make good personnel decisions overall. The years Jerry and Lacewell were in charge of personnel (draft, FA, trades) we struggled and fell to consecutive 5-11 seasons.

It's really rather clear.

I said the salary cap limits a team in getting personnel. You originated this whole argument by arguing that:

We regressed because of absolutely horrific drafts. You give a ton of excuses but completely gloss over the primary one; poor drafts were the bottom line reason for our demise. And if you're in salary cap hell, then you fill in the blanks with less expensive draft picks.

You expect this team to prosper in salary cap hell with less expensive draft picks? What is the impact of free-agency then?

 

[Bach]

You expect this team to prosper in salary cap hell with less expensive draft picks? What is the impact of free-agency then?

Didn't we already go over this?

Less expensive doesn't mean low round. It just means not in the top of the first round.
During the '94 - '02 seasons we had plenty of first round and first day picks. Some years we had 2-3 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. During Jimmy's years, that's when we hit on alot of our top talent. During the Jerry/Lacewell drafts, that's when he got guys like Sherman Williams, Shante Carver, Stepfret Williams, Mike Ulafale, Shane Hannah, Kendall Watkins, Dwayne Goodrich, Kareem Larrimore, and on and on and on.

If we had those draft picks in those rounds with a solid GM, you better believe we would've been able to avoid dropping to back to back to back 5-11 seasons.

What's so hard to understand? We had plenty of high round draft picks during those years. What we didn't have was anyone who knew how to use them.

I definitely think a solid personnel man like Jimmy or Parcells would've done a vastly superior job drafting using the exact picks we had those years and that would've kept the team from falling those lows of 3 straight 5-11 seasons.

 

[Dodger12]

No, it makes absolutely no sense.

You argue that even if we had salary cap issues, we should have drafted quality players with less expensive draft picks, meaning low-round draft picks. SO are we suppose to build contenders based upon lower quality players?

"Less expensive" meaning "low round" picks? Where did you get that from? Look, all I'm saying is that teams still draft even though they have salary cap issues. Yes, hard to believe but true. They don't sit out the draft. Teams try to draft players to fill their rosters in place of players they may not be able to afford to keep. We may never be able to completely replace future HOF'ers, but you can stay competitive through the draft. There was a period from the mid-90's up unitl the early 2000's where we didn't draft well, even with our 1st day picks. That's a fact. And yes, look at our present roster where we've got some qualty players with our lower round picks and UFA's. Are we as successful today without those players? Obviously not. What's so hard to understand?

 

[khiladi]

"Less expensive" meaning "low round" picks? Where did you get that from? Look, all I'm saying is that teams still draft even though they have salary cap issues. Yes, hard to believe but true. They don't sit out the draft. Teams try to draft players to fill their rosters in place of players they may not be able to afford to keep. We may never be able to completely replace future HOF'ers, but you can stay competitive through the draft. There was a period from the mid-90's up unitl the early 2000's where we didn't draft well, even with our 1st day picks. That's a fact. And yes, look at our present roster where we've got some qualty players with our lower round picks and UFA's. Are we as successful today without those players? Obviously not. What's so hard to understand?

Did I say you said that? And I stated, name me one dynasty like the Cowboys that had no problems resurrecting themselves after the dynasty's fall. If teams resurrect themselves all the time, than name me one dynasty that did not fall into a period of suck-iness, whether the early Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh, Dallas in the late 70s early 80s, the San Francisco 49ers, the Packers of the 90s, and now, the Denver Broncos....

It should be easy to name teams like the Cowboys that had back-loaded contracts, because they have players like Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, Erik Williams, that ressurected themeslves, because "it happens all the time"?

 

[khiladi]

Didn't we already go over this?



What's so hard to understand? We had plenty of high round draft picks during those years. What we didn't have was anyone who knew how to use them.

I definitely think a solid personnel man like Jimmy or Parcells would've done a vastly superior job drafting using the exact picks we had those years and that would've kept the team from falling those lows of 3 straight 5-11 seasons.

Most teams nowadays rise to the top because of moves they make in free agency. And we were limited by the salary cap. That is just the reality of it.

 

[Bach]

"Less expensive" meaning "low round" picks? Where did you get that from? Look, all I'm saying is that teams still draft even though they have salary cap issues. Yes, hard to believe but true. They don't sit out the draft.

:laugh2:

It really is amusing the lengths some of these people go to make excuses for Jerry.