Game 1: Steelers - 13 vs Titans - 10 *Final*

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Kenny Britts gonna be a stud, but he needs more swagger.

 

[rcaldw]

ok well, how would you assess Aikman and Romos first 3 seasons as an NFL starting QB....?

I would say that Romo has been given far superior teams than the 89-90-91 version of the Cowboys. Romo, and very few QB's in NFL history, have played for a team as talent poor as the 89 Cowboys.

I will say this, I believe that we have a team that can go all the way this year. I think Romo seems to be more focused/ at peace/ confident/ however you want to say it. I hope, and I think, he can step into the place where we all want him to be.

My hope is that when Romo's career is over we will talk about Staubach, Aikman and Romo as the Super Bowl winning QB's in Cowboys history.

 

[rcaldw]

You have Owens lumped in with Cowboys all time greats in your sig. Nuff said.

Had nothing to do with Cowboys all time greats. Represented one generation of Cowboys fans to the next, that's all.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Had nothing to do with Cowboys all time greats. Represented one generation of Cowboys fans to the next, that's all.

Why no Romo,Barber or Witten?. You know, current Cowboys?

 

[rcaldw]

You're right. I don't know you. I just know what you post on the board. And it's pretty funny stuff.

How many sales do you think Henson pulled in during cash for clunkers? I bet he got salesman of the month.

Henson > the other car salesman with a mullett

lol, you're right, saying that our hall of fame QB can't be compared to Romo yet is just LUDICROUS. Man, I can't believe I would say such a stupid thing. Instead, I think we should say that Romo is better, now that makes a whole lot more sense. And I'm quite sure that most NFL people, looking at our two statements would find your argument much more sound.

 

[rcaldw]

Why no Romo,Barber or Witten?. You know, current Cowboys?

Its two or three years old (thanks Juke), would you like to do a new one for me?

 

[rcaldw]

By the way, back to my original point. Kerry Collins led Titans produced 10 whole points, with the Steelers all-pro safety (can you tell I don't want to try and spell his name ), in the locker room. If it was Young at the helm they would be talking about how inept he is.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Its two or three years old (thanks Juke), would you like to do a new one for me?

No thanks. But update it please!

 

[theogt]

lol, you're right, saying that our hall of fame QB can't be compared to Romo yet is just LUDICROUS. Man, I can't believe I would say such a stupid thing. Instead, I think we should say that Romo is better, now that makes a whole lot more sense. And I'm quite sure that most NFL people, looking at our two statements would find your argument much more sound.

Of course, I never said that you can't compare the two. You obviously can. And Romo ends up being a better QB. What I said was that there's no argument that Aikman is a better QB. And there isn't other than to argue that he was involved in more team achievements, which almost everyone overrates.

But of course, you think any attempt to look at individual performance rather than team performance isn't valid because it's a "baseball" argument. Which is really quite comical when we're arguing about INDIVIDUAL performance not team performance. You see, 3 Super Bowls is a statistic. It's a statistic just like a 94.7 QB rating. The only difference is, one is a TEAM statistic. The other is an INDIVIDUAL statistic.

 

[rcaldw]

Of course, I never said that you can't compare the two. You obviously can. And Romo ends up being a better QB. What I said was that there's no argument that Aikman is a better QB. And there isn't other than to argue that he was involved in more team achievements, which almost everyone overrates.

But of course, you think any attempt to look at individual performance rather than team performance isn't valid because it's a "baseball" argument. Which is really quite comical when we're arguing about INDIVIDUAL performance not team performance. You see, 3 Super Bowls is a statistic. It's a statistic just like a 94.7 QB rating. The only difference is, one is a TEAM statistic. The other is an INDIVIDUAL statistic.

No sir, what you are missing is that the QB position is not just about completion pct, TD's thrown, etc, it is about getting your 11 man offensive unit to do what they are capable of doing, in the most efficient manner possible, time after time, game after game, and in the BIGGEST GAMES possible. It is about getting your team as far as they SHOULD go, AS MUCH AS DEPENDS ON YOU. And what you won't face, because you don't want to, is that Romo, to this point in his career, FADES DOWN THE STRETCH. He doesn't play his best games in the biggest games. I can prove that statistically. (which you are fond of), and I can also demonstrate that Aikman's level of play RAISED in the biggest games. And yes, that is a big part of those 3 team accomplishments. His hall of fame selection on the 1st ballot says that I'm right in my assessment of Aikman's abilities.

My hope is that one day your view of Romo will be affirmed in the same manner. But I say your view of Romo, right now, is the only thing overrated in this argument.

 

[DallasDomination]

The Steelers Defense was good as always. The offense was a joke for the most part but Ben came through like He usually does.

The titans are a good team on defense and an average team on offense. What I didnt understand was that stupid defensive game plan in the 4rth and in overtime????????Defensive Coord had his balls tucked under his legs.

 

[rcaldw]

No thanks. But update it please!

Not willing to help, can't complain

 

[dadymat]

I would say that Romo has been given far superior teams than the 89-90-91 version of the Cowboys. Romo, and very few QB's in NFL history, have played for a team as talent poor as the 89 Cowboys.

I will say this, I believe that we have a team that can go all the way this year. I think Romo seems to be more focused/ at peace/ confident/ however you want to say it. I hope, and I think, he can step into the place where we all want him to be.

My hope is that when Romo's career is over we will talk about Staubach, Aikman and Romo as the Super Bowl winning QB's in Cowboys history.

i didnt ask you to make a bunch of excuses as to why Romo through 3 seasons as a starter has blown Aikmans first 3 seasons as starter away......i asked you to compare them...

 

[peplaw06]

No sir, what you are missing is that the QB position is not just about completion pct, TD's thrown, etc, it is about getting your 11 man offensive unit to do what they are capable of doing, in the most efficient manner possible, time after time, game after game, and in the BIGGEST GAMES possible. It is about getting your team as far as they SHOULD go, AS MUCH AS DEPENDS ON YOU. And what you won't face, because you don't want to, is that Romo, to this point in his career, FADES DOWN THE STRETCH. He doesn't play his best games in the biggest games. I can prove that statistically. (which you are fond of), and I can also demonstrate that Aikman's level of play RAISED in the biggest games. And yes, that is a big part of those 3 team accomplishments. His hall of fame selection on the 1st ballot says that I'm right in my assessment of Aikman's abilities.

My hope is that one day your view of Romo will be affirmed in the same manner. But I say your view of Romo, right now, is the only thing overrated in this argument.

I don't think you can prove it over their first 3 years starting. It wasn't until AIkman's 4th year when he won a playoff game and his first Super Bowl.

The problem you're not acknowledging with your argument is that you have the benefit of hindsight. You can only call Aikman a 1st ballot hall of famer after he does it. Obviously to you it seems ludicrous to compare Romo to Aikman because you can't call him a 1st ballot HOFer. Well you couldn't do that with Aikman either after his first 2 1/2 seasons of playing.

 

[rcaldw]

i didnt ask you to make a bunch of excuses as to why Romo through 3 seasons as a starter has blown Aikmans first 3 seasons as starter away......i asked you to compare them...

You know what.... you take Romo.... I'll stand pat with Aikman's career. When Romo is finished we'll compare where the Cowboys went with each at the helm.

If you win, I'll be happy as a Cowboys fan. If I win, and I'm pretty sure I will, then you will have been true to your convictions. Nice job. Lets hope Romo's 7th year in the league is the charm, that would be great for all of us.

 

[rcaldw]

I don't think you can prove it over their first 3 years starting. It wasn't until AIkman's 4th year when he won a playoff game and his first Super Bowl.

The problem you're not acknowledging with your argument is that you have the benefit of hindsight. You can only call Aikman a 1st ballot hall of famer after he does it. Obviously to you it seems ludicrous to compare Romo to Aikman because you can't call him a 1st ballot HOFer. Well you couldn't do that with Aikman either after his first 2 1/2 seasons of playing.

This isn't Romo's 4th year, it is his 7th. In addition, I've never said that it would be ludicrous to compare them AT SOME POINT, I only believe it is ridiculous to claim that Romo, at this point in his career is better than Aikman was in his prime. I find it absolutely silly. But if you don't, by all means, you have a right to your view.

 

[DallasDomination]

No sir, what you are missing is that the QB position is not just about completion pct, TD's thrown, etc, it is about getting your 11 man offensive unit to do what they are capable of doing, in the most efficient manner possible, time after time, game after game, and in the BIGGEST GAMES possible. It is about getting your team as far as they SHOULD go, AS MUCH AS DEPENDS ON YOU. And what you won't face, because you don't want to, is that Romo, to this point in his career, FADES DOWN THE STRETCH. He doesn't play his best games in the biggest games. I can prove that statistically. (which you are fond of), and I can also demonstrate that Aikman's level of play RAISED in the biggest games. And yes, that is a big part of those 3 team accomplishments. His hall of fame selection on the 1st ballot says that I'm right in my assessment of Aikman's abilities.

My hope is that one day your view of Romo will be affirmed in the same manner. But I say your view of Romo, right now, is the only thing overrated in this argument.

I dont know if you noticed but there are tons of Stat goons on these forums that will stop at nothing if you down play Romo. But for the most part I think most people view things like you say.

 

[rcaldw]

I dont know if you noticed but there are tons of Stat goons on these forums that will stop at nothing if you down play Romo. But for the most part I think most people view things like you say.

Thanks Dallas. You are exactly right about stat goons. And what they don't recognize is that it isn't a game like baseball where the pitcher/hitter matchup is really where the stats are generated for the most part. In football there is a TON more involved. Statistics can be liars. It really is about winning. Aikman could have played in any system you wanted. He could have put up huge numbers. Instead he played in a very balanced offense. he played like a champion when it counted most, most of the time.

I like Romo and I will be rooting for him every game this season. But I'm not satisfied with just stat generation. I want to see him play his best in the most important situations, and lead us to a championship.

 

[dadymat]

You know what.... you take Romo.... I'll stand pat with Aikman's career. When Romo is finished we'll compare where the Cowboys went with each at the helm.

If you win, I'll be happy as a Cowboys fan. If I win, and I'm pretty sure I will, then you will have been true to your convictions. Nice job. Lets hope Romo's 7th year in the league is the charm, that would be great for all of us.

lol...i never said i would take Romo over Aikman..thats just you arguing with yourself.....all ive said from the start is that through their first 3 seasons on STARTING Romo has been better.....and how are we supposed to know how the next 5-10 years is gonna go..when all is said and done Romo may prove to be better

i simply asked you to compare the two through their first 3 seasons starting you and you dont wanna play that game.....do ya?

 

[dadymat]

Thanks Dallas. You are exactly right about stat goons. And what they don't recognize is that it isn't a game like baseball where the pitcher/hitter matchup is really where the stats are generated for the most part. In football there is a TON more involved. Statistics can be liars. It really is about winning. Aikman could have played in any system you wanted. He could have put up huge numbers. Instead he played in a very balanced offense. he played like a champion when it counted most, most of the time.

I like Romo and I will be rooting for him every game this season. But I'm not satisfied with just stat generation. I want to see him play his best in the most important situations, and lead us to a championship.

did he play like a champion his first couple of seasons?