Garrett and Phillips

[WV Cowboy]

I'm just not convinced that Garrett has what it takes. He hasn't demonstrated that he has it so far.

What I was trying to say is, ... I actually think that a solid, quality NFL coach could take the players we have now, and do better than we are seeing now.

That is if Jerry would stay out of the way.

 

[Idgit]

I hope it is that simple.

But there are always other intangibles that always seem to prevent us from winning.

Our team seems to lack grit, lack that killer instinct, no nasty attitude, .. they aren't clutch. Good football teams seem to carry a confidence that we lack.

Poor game decisions, .. it's always something.

I'm just not convinced that Garrett has what it takes. He hasn't demonstrated that he has it so far.

Well, let me just say that for the last three seasons, we've been near the absolute bottom of the league in terms of pass defense, and we've been right on the border of winning the division, regardless. If it's really the case that stopping the pass and passing effectively correlate very highly with winning in this league right now--and I fully believe that it does, then it stands to reason that doing one of those things relatively well, and doing the other horribly is going to prevent you from winning and make it look like you lack grit or a killer instinct. If you're offense is in a 50/50 situation all the time, 8-8 is all you have the right to expect. Until and unless the pass defense is fixed, I'm not looking elsewhere for a diagnoses to our problems.

It's always possible we'll fix this persistent deficiency and another leak will spring up, though. I get that.

 

[Matts4313]

People are so silly.

Wade was given a team of all-pros on rookie contracts, with a great cap scenario and every year he was here the team worsened. They lost talent, they signed bad contracts, they played sloppier.

Garrett was given a team of aging, over paid former all stars. It was a team that gave out roughly ~$320M in bad contracts the previous few years. There were 4 drafts, ~35 picks, that resulted in like 2-3 actual contributors. He had to gut the team and replace ~75% of the starting roster.
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If you think they walked into the same situation, you need to work on your football IQ.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

True but I'm still trying to figure out what the record of those 2 coaches after the same number of games as HC has to do with each other.

LOL. in that case billicheck must have sucked.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Well, let me just say that for the last three seasons, we've been near the absolute bottom of the league in terms of pass defense, and we've been right on the border of winning the division, regardless. If it's really the case that stopping the pass and passing effectively correlate very highly with winning in this league right now--and I fully believe that it does, then it stands to reason that doing one of those things relatively well, and doing the other horribly is going to prevent you from winning and make it look like you lack grit or a killer instinct. If you're offense is in a 50/50 situation all the time, 8-8 is all you have the right to expect. Until and unless the pass defense is fixed, I'm not looking elsewhere for a diagnoses to our problems.

It's always possible we'll fix this persistent deficiency and another leak will spring up, though. I get that.

I see games where we have had big leads, .. and we still find a way to lose that game.

I see close games where we are leading at the end, .. but we find a way to lose.

I see close games where we are trailing but have the ball and a chance to win that game, .. but we find a way to lose.

We find new, heart wrenching ways to lose games all of the time.

Obviously, I love when we can add talent, .. but it seems like we just don't have what it takes to impose our will and "take" the victory away from the other team.

And that is what I am talking about, .. and I think that begins with the demeanor, the attitude, the tenacity, the 'will to win' of the head coach.

I'm not seeing it.

 

[visionary]

Wade was given a team .......

stopped reading right there

wade was only HC in name, he was the DC

jerry was the real HC and the red-headed ginger clapper was the HC-in-waiting

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

stopped reading right there

wade was only HC in name, he was the DC

jerry was the real HC and the red-headed ginger clapper was the HC-in-waiting

so its all jerry's fault then?

 

[visionary]

so its all jerry's fault then?

of course jerry is the main bad influence on this franchise

having said this, jerry did not make garrett make poor in-game decisions, he also did not design a predictable offense where the defense can dictate whether you will pass or run based on their formation, the talk last pre-season was that kiffin was coming in because of his ties with garrett (of course the narrative changed once kiffin presided over a historically bad defense), i bet if we had fielded a top 5 defense, none of the garrett homies would be giving the credit to jerry, it would be all "garrett is building a team" stuff

so, yes jerry is to blame, but so is garrett

3 years into a supposed 3 year plan, we are still 8-8 and all i hear is that it will take more than one season to build the defense

so now we are on a 5-7 year plan
just moving the goalposts, that is all it is

garrett came into this HC position after being very familiar with the organization and having been the OC for 3 years. so he was very aware of jerry's meddling ways. so he has no excuse. as i said before, he is either a bad coach who makes poor plans/decisions/coaching hires or he is a spineless jelly fish that lets jerry walk all over him

neither is what i would want as HC for a team I am rooting for

 

[WV Cowboy]

so its all jerry's fault then?

He is a big part of the problem, .. yes.

Choosing coordinators before head coaches and not letting them be in on the decision to choose their coordinators, being the mouthpiece of the team, undermining the head coaches, challenging players in the media, saying Garrett is a coach in training.

That's just a few of the things that he does that are not condusive to building a strong franchise.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

of course jerry is the main bad influence on this franchise

having said this, jerry did not make garrett make poor in-game decisions, he also did not design a predictable offense where the defense can dictate whether you will pass or run based on their formation, the talk last pre-season was that kiffin was coming in because of his ties with garrett (of course the narrative changed once kiffin presided over a historically bad defense), i bet if we had fielded a top 5 defense, none of the garrett homies would be giving the credit to jerry, it would be all "garrett is building a team" stuff

so, yes jerry is to blame, but so is garrett

3 years into a supposed 3 year plan, we are still 8-8 and all i hear is that it will take more than one season to build the defense

so now we are on a 5-7 year plan
just moving the goalposts, that is all it is

garrett came into this HC position after being very familiar with the organization and having been the OC for 3 years. so he was very aware of jerry's meddling ways. so he has no excuse. as i said before, he is either a bad coach who makes poor plans/decisions/coaching hires or he is a spineless jelly fish that lets jerry walk all over him

neither is what i would want as HC for a team I am rooting for

I think he is both. A very bad coach & the jellyfish. He gets paid millions & sucks.

 

[CyberB0b]

No. I'm saying the reason Wade has a better won/loss record is because he followed Parcells.

Not sure how I lost you.

So how did Parcells manage to never win a playoff game while he was here? You guys act like Parcells built a dynasty here, and that isn't the case.

 

[WV Cowboy]

So how did Parcells manage to never win a playoff game while he was here? You guys act like Parcells built a dynasty here, and that isn't the case.

That's what I have always wondered about.

I used to wonder if Parcells just 'punked' Jerry for 4 million a year.

I can just see him with his New Jersey buddies, in some back room, smoking big cigars, .. "I'll go down to Dallas, take Jerry's money, .. but I promise you guys, they will never win a thing."

I mean, think about it, ... he is a Jersey guy, head coach of the N Y freakin' Giants.

Have you ever heard the story of the Trojan Horse?

Why would he ever want to bring glory to the Dallas Cowboys?

 

[Idgit]

I see games where we have had big leads, .. and we still find a way to lose that game.

I see close games where we are leading at the end, .. but we find a way to lose.

I see close games where we are trailing but have the ball and a chance to win that game, .. but we find a way to lose.

We find new, heart wrenching ways to lose games all of the time.

Obviously, I love when we can add talent, .. but it seems like we just don't have what it takes to impose our will and "take" the victory away from the other team.

And that is what I am talking about, .. and I think that begins with the demeanor, the attitude, the tenacity, the 'will to win' of the head coach.

I'm not seeing it.

Demeanor and attitude is a consequence of winning some tough football games, rather than the cause of it. We do win half the games we play, though. It's against he good teams that can throw the ball and/or shut down our passing game that we struggle. And it's because we're a bottom-3 pass defense that we're always finding ways to lose big leads or collapse at the end or where we're relying on Romo to make more than one game-saving drive in the last minute or two.

We've all seen the stats on how effective Tony Romo is in desperate, end of half, or end of game situations. And yet everybody wonders why he's got a reputation as a choker despite the statistics that usually reflect a winning QB. Then they look at the flip side of those statistics that usually reflect a bottom-feeding pass defense. Go figure. Then the blame the game management or the play calling for some reason that just defies explanation as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Beast_from_East]

32-26 with 1 playoff appearence. Still better than jg. I'm sure there will be buts behind this too from the jg homers.

Actually Wade had 2 playoff appearances, 2007 and 2009...............he had 1 playoff win as head coach, 2009 against Philly (the McNabb air guitar game).

We have had 3 consecutive 8-8 seasons under Garrett with no playoff appearances, matching only Dave Campo as the only head coaches to never lead the team to the playoffs.

Those are the facts, people can choose to interpret them accordingly.

 

[Redball Express]

What doomed Wade was the team had quit. You can get away with some mediocre years with Jerry (as we've seen) but they just flat out gave up on Wade. I don't ever see that happening with Garrett, whatever you may say about him the team plays hard and is in games.

That has bought him some time but now that house money is used up. If we don't make the playoffs this coming season it's going to be a total housecleaning.

I don't think so.

If Garrett really falters..

I think his replacement is all ready on board.

It's not some coincidence these 3 former HCs are already on staff.

It would be a smooth transition.

Remember..

all the coaches are hired and paid by Jerrah.

We'd be OK.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

I don't think so.

If Garrett really falters..

I think his replacement is all ready on board.

It's not some coincidence these 3 former HCs are already on staff.

It would be a smooth transition.

Remember..

all the coaches are hired and paid by Jerrah.

We'd be OK.

We would be anything but OK.

They are a pack of disastrous losers who left absolute carnage and wreckage in their last head coaching jobs.

 

[Little Jr]

Actually Wade had 2 playoff appearances, 2007 and 2009...............he had 1 playoff win as head coach, 2009 against Philly (the McNabb air guitar game).

We have had 3 consecutive 8-8 seasons under Garrett with no playoff appearances, matching only Dave Campo as the only head coaches to never lead the team to the playoffs.

Those are the facts, people can choose to interpret them accordingly.

Someone had asked what wades recored was through his 1st 56 games as a hc.

 

[Bullflop]

Old Wade is really butthurt about teams not wanting his services as their HC. It seems he's desperate to do whatever he can to convince everyone and anyone he's not really quite as pathetic as he seems. Trouble is, he's only hurting his cause by going to such great lengths to convince one and all of his self-proclaimed worthiness. Evidently, he doesn't have much in the way of good judgment when it comes to how his statements might be perceived.

 

[Dodger12]

Weird that Garrett was HC in waiting under Wade and the OC but magically had nothing to do with those teams. Yet now he is having to rebuild a team that reached he playoffs right before he took over. Weird how that happens to fit a persons argument. Overall both should never be HC. The two are responsible for a lot...combined..in the last 7 years.

It's amazing how Rod Marinelli and Kiffin had only been here several months but talked Jerry out of a player we had rated top 5 on our draft board but Garrett, Jerry's hand picked HC in waiting had nothing to do with building those teams while he was OC. Gotta love the logic.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Someone had asked what wades recored was through his 1st 56 games as a hc.

We are talking about Dallas Cowboys head coaches, .. why do we care what Wade did prior to coaching here?