Garrett as a lameduck

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I think the majority of the players are behind him. At least, the team leaders have stated as much. This year, if he continues to struggle in terms of win-loss results, what the players think won't save him. He'll probably be shown the door by a very disappointed owner.

If the players respect JG as much as they profess to, his "lame duck" status shouldn't matter. In fact they may fight even harder to see to it that he's retained. Being pros might ideally be enough to motivate them but being human, anyone could get discouraged if improvement isn't in forthcoming. Wins are crucial at come point and that point is more than likely in the here and now.

If JG is destined to earn a healthy extension from Jerry, he might want to ensure that at least a 10-6 win-loss record materializes, otherwise there'll be plenty of room for doubt as to whether or not he's worth it. In the event a playoff win enters the picture, Jerry wouldn't hesitate to reward Garrett handsomely and very likely, to excess.

I agree.

It sure seemed some cracks were showing on defense late last season (in the weeks after the NOLA blowout). While I think a lot of that was directed at the defensive change, it has to stick to Garrett, too. I was concerned we were going to see things spiral at the finishing line, but instead came out and played what I thought was fairly inspired football the last few weeks of the season. Just not good enough.
 

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The "lame duck" thing doesn't apply anymore. Back in the old days, coaches were at teams for 4+ years regularly. Now, every coach is year-to-year, so the locker-room impact isn't the same anymore when a coach only has a year on his contract.

Most players these days don't really pay that much attention to their coaches anyway. Semi-guaranteed salaries do that.

The whole league is used to things being year-to-year for most players and coaches. I don't think the one year thing matters much except to the press and the fans. It might affect Jason a bit and his willingness to take or avoid some risks, but I can't believe it's the case that some of the players are going to react to him differently, one way or another.
 

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the defense played above their talent level? we were 32nd in the league. we were one of the worst defenses ever. we went two games without making one stop for a score....!!!! what games have you been watching. and yes we had trouble on the DL with injuries, but still yet, he had talent in other areas and they all underwhelmed.

and room is not the motivator, he is the part of the problem. jerry wanted room friendly offense and wanted room more involved in offensive game planning, thinking room is payton manning!!! and what did we get, a player who sees an 8 man front and immediately, without a doubt will change the play from run to pass. a player where stats show he is better from under center, but wants to be in shut gun formation all the time.

what garrett didn't do is rein in room's talent and manage it better. but then again.

there is no denying that we didn't quite have the talent base on this team, DL, OL, LB. we lacked where it counted. that's the GM doing a bad job. we are built outside in, with Claiborne, carr, dez, witten and Williams. and going 8-8 is a miracle with the defense that we had and the things we had to over come.

but then again, it sounds like you are part of the group that thinks if a coach doesn't yell or scream...he is not motivating.

If you look at stats and do not look at the talent level and realize there was an element of overachievers - which doesn't preclude still losing - then you can make that conclusion. As far the rest, I see nothing out of Garrett that suggests his "training" by Jones is taking.
 

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I find it funny when I hear "his team hasn't quit on him" or "players play hard for him." Listen, a majority of players out there play hard and train hard and are paid to do so. It's a rarity if a team completely quits. Gary Kubiak had top players...yearly..saying how they loved him, they respected him, they thought he was the best coach they ever had...but he still made mistakes a lot, couldn't adjust and they lost games because of it. Players won't come out and put a coach on blast because it means their job. If Garrett was fired the players would say the new guy was great and that the new culture was exciting. So let's stop acting like that Garrett brings this extra something to the table. He really doesn't or we wouldn't lose big leads, make giant mental errors and blow games.
 

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If you look at stats and do not look at the talent level and realize there was an element of overachievers - which doesn't preclude still losing - then you can make that conclusion. As far the rest, I see nothing out of Garrett that suggests his "training" by Jones is taking.

how can you look at stats without looking at the talent level... often they go hand in hand. over achievers in the sense that they were out in the street and next playing in the NFL.
 

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unless there are more wins it does not matter. If the boys are not in the playoffs this coming year he is gone.

Yea, all this motivational stuff means jack if you cant win games........................no playoffs or one and done means no more Garrett.

No way Jerry can give Opie an extension unless he has a playoff win under his belt.
 

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When you breed mediocrity, you start to believe it. Stacking good days on top of blah blah. When you can't get over the hump, somebody finally, must be held accountable.
 

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Who the hell is Rowan? Is he a football guy? Or do you just believe everything you hear from media types?

Talking Cowboys...........the show done from inside Valley Ranch with Mickey, and Broaddus...................you seriously have never watched that show?

Considering he works for the Cowboys and Jerry signs his paycheck, I find it hard to believe he is making stuff up and still employed.
 

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I think Garrett can be a very good coach but he needs to be in the right situation with a strong organizational philosophy. With Jerry as GM, I think his chances in Dallas are not good.

Without Jerry Garrett would never have been coach in the first place. Heck, he shouldn't even be coach at all. Just because he was a backup for Aikman and that his father works for Jerry doesn't give him a pass to be coach on America's team. In fact, him being the coach is the worst thing to happen for this team. Garrett is part of our problem. He brings nothing to the table and with his limited experience on the sidelines, we are guaranteed to lose 2-3 games a year due to bad decisions.

No one wants to coach the Cowboys because this organization is a joke. Garrett is part of it. He was terrible as OC and now his terrible as coach. We are stuck with him because Jerry does what he wants with him as though his a puppet.
 

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Talking Cowboys...........the show done from inside Valley Ranch with Mickey, and Broaddus...................you seriously have never watched that show?

Considering he works for the Cowboys and Jerry signs his paycheck, I find it hard to believe he is making stuff up and still employed.

I know exactly who he is. Just laughing at your putting stock in him or any other media type.
 

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Without Jerry Garrett would never have been coach in the first place. Heck, he shouldn't even be coach at all. Just because he was a backup for Aikman and that his father works for Jerry doesn't give him a pass to be coach on America's team. In fact, him being the coach is the worst thing to happen for this team. Garrett is part of our problem. He brings nothing to the table and with his limited experience on the sidelines, we are guaranteed to lose 2-3 games a year due to bad decisions.

No one wants to coach the Cowboys because this organization is a joke. Garrett is part of it. He was terrible as OC and now his terrible as coach. We are stuck with him because Jerry does what he wants with him as though his a puppet.

You're right, Jerry should have never hired Garrett. Redball deserves better. Garrett's only problem is he lacks HC experience but you are mistaken that he should not be a coach. In the right environment, one with a strong organizational philosophy, Garrett's system eventually would produce. I have no doubt that he will be in demand if the 2014 season does not go well for him.

As for coaches not wanting to coach the Cowboys; once again I believe you are incorrect. It's the story of the unobtainable treasure: the allure of acquiring it is too great to pass up. Kind of like the average guy/girl going after the super model. You have to try.

Garrett may be a terrible coach but it's only because Jerry made him that way. You can believe, however, that there will be plenty of candidates lining up if Garrett is unable to make the playoffs in 2014.
 

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When you breed mediocrity, you start to believe it. Stacking good days on top of blah blah. When you can't get over the hump, somebody finally, must be held accountable.

the GM? yeah, in his mind DL was the strength of the team. every projected starter was over 30 with a history of injuries.
 

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Without Jerry Garrett would never have been coach in the first place. Heck, he shouldn't even be coach at all. Just because he was a backup for Aikman and that his father works for Jerry doesn't give him a pass to be coach on America's team. In fact, him being the coach is the worst thing to happen for this team. Garrett is part of our problem. He brings nothing to the table and with his limited experience on the sidelines, we are guaranteed to lose 2-3 games a year due to bad decisions.

No one wants to coach the Cowboys because this organization is a joke. Garrett is part of it. He was terrible as OC and now his terrible as coach. We are stuck with him because Jerry does what he wants with him as though his a puppet.

really? so I guess you missed ravens offering him the head coaching job and he turning it down!!! maybe without Jerry Garrett would have made the playoffs the past three years......
 

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I find it funny when I hear "his team hasn't quit on him" or "players play hard for him." Listen, a majority of players out there play hard and train hard and are paid to do so. It's a rarity if a team completely quits. Gary Kubiak had top players...yearly..saying how they loved him, they respected him, they thought he was the best coach they ever had...but he still made mistakes a lot, couldn't adjust and they lost games because of it. Players won't come out and put a coach on blast because it means their job. If Garrett was fired the players would say the new guy was great and that the new culture was exciting. So let's stop acting like that Garrett brings this extra something to the table. He really doesn't or we wouldn't lose big leads, make giant mental errors and blow games.

Absolutely. I guess it makes people feel better to rationalize things by bringing up how the team "quit" on Wade Phillips which led to his ousting.

It is fairly rare that teams quit on a coach. Individuals can, but even some of the quotes you read from players even for coaches that were supposedly universally despised still have team leaders backing them. A case in point is Greg Schiano. Lavonte David and others swore nobody quit, despite what was written.
 

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really? so I guess you missed ravens offering him the head coaching job and he turning it down!!! maybe without Jerry Garrett would have made the playoffs the past three years......

I am sure the Ravens faithful are so glad that Jason turned them down & they ended up with Harbaugh. He is a much better coach than Jason.
 
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