Garrett as a lameduck

[Rockport]

Then why did you ask "who the hell is Rowan"?

Like I said, Jerry signs his paycheck so if he says players are quitting on Garrett, I guess Jerry has no problem with it.

Sheep being led to the slaughter.

 

[Doomsay]

One wonders with the results he has turned in if he would still be with the Ravens, or on the street looking for an OC job?

He'd be lucky to get a QB coaching job with his play-calling getting stripped away. He has already earned enough, illegitimately, to never have to worry about working again. How crazy is that?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You completely missed my point. They need to hire a guy WITH experience & put this lame "training" Garrett to bed. He's been here for what 4 years? He is in way over his head.

actually its you who missed the point. we have had a parade of coaches here since jimmy, none of them succeeded. garrett is not the problem.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

actually its you who missed the point. we have had a parade of coaches here since jimmy, none of them succeeded. garrett is not the problem.

This. Garrett has a problem and has contributed to the lack of success but the overall problem, the constant, is Jerry Jones.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

actually its you who missed the point. we have had a parade of coaches here since jimmy, none of them succeeded. garrett is not the problem.

No I didn't. Garrett is a large part of the problem. You think it's ok to have a coach who needs training up when there are guys who have skins on the wall? At least give them a call. Jerry isn't going anywhere right? That's the consensus. Till he dies he's the GM. At least put somebody on the sidelines Jerry that can manage a game.

 

[Alexander]

actually its you who missed the point. we have had a parade of coaches here since jimmy, none of them succeeded. garrett is not the problem.

It is not an either/or proposition. Just because he is not the main problem, that does not mean he is not part of the problem or have zero culpability.

My biggest bone of contention with him is that of every coach Jones has ever hired save Parcells, he has had the best chance to succeed. This is mainly because I believe he is entirely capable of manipulating Jones in a subtle enough way to be about as successful as any coach can with the way he runs things.

He just has not progressed nearly as quickly as he needed to once hired as the head coach. He should not be having game management problems by this stage. He does not appear to have matured much since the day he took the job.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I think Garrett sticks around until Jerry can find another "yes" man. Which means the only thing that changes is the name of the HC.

Yes, I'm very cynical right now. Why shouldn't I be?

 

[Alexander]

I think Garrett sticks around until Jerry can find another "yes" man. Which means the only thing that changes is the name of the HC.

He is going to have a decision to make if the mediocre results continue, even though it would be painful for him to do so.

 

[cajuncocoa]

He is going to have a decision to make if the mediocre results continue, even though it would be painful for him to do so.

Why do you think he "has" to? He's going to make money with the Cowboys whether they win or not. I heard Drew Pearson on a radio show last summer say that Jerry told him he doesn't really care if the Cowboys win or not. (DP wasn't happy about that either, nor am I).

 

[Alexander]

Why do you think he "has" to? He's going to make money with the Cowboys whether they win or not. I heard Drew Pearson on a radio show last summer say that Jerry told him he doesn't really care if the Cowboys win or not. (DP wasn't happy about that either, nor am I).

Just for simple relevance. I do not believe he cares about winning as long as his toy stadium is filled with 90,000 suckers paying top dollar for an average product.

But I do think the fan base is getting more and more disgusted and he would have a tough time extending Garrett without a tangible reason to do so. In other words, playoffs at least.

 

[Idgit]

Is it possible that the team has somehow lost more games here, after the end of the season? Because we sure seem to have gotten worse judging by some of the evaluations here. Honestly, I don't even recognize some of these evaluations as even tortured caricatures of what's really going on in Dallas.

 

[Alexander]

Is it possible that the team has somehow lost more games here, after the end of the season? Because we sure seem to have gotten worse judging by some of the evaluations here. Honestly, I don't even recognize some of these evaluations as even tortured caricatures of what's really going on in Dallas.

So what is really going on? Please share.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Just for simple relevance. I do not believe he cares about winning as long as his toy stadium is filled with 90,000 suckers paying top dollar for an average product.

But I do think the fan base is getting more and more disgusted and he would have a tough time extending Garrett without a tangible reason to do so. In other words, playoffs at least.

Yeah, but he doesn't have to only depend on Cowboy fans to fill those seats. He's just as happy to sell those seats to Commanders', Giants', and Eagles' fans (and fans of all other teams on the Cowboys home schedule).

 

[Idgit]

So what is really going on? Please share.

We really have to do this dance again, Alex? Because it has to be getting old for you, too.

How 'bout you guys just keep venting until everybody feels better, instead. Meanwhile, the team can focus on addressing the defensive personnel problems that keep us from winning games against teams who can throw the ball effectively.

 

[Alexander]

We really have to do this dance again, Alex? Because it has to be getting old for you, too.

If it is so old, why keep throwing in the idea that things are just not so bad and everyone is exaggerating their frustrations?

There are momentary lapses where I sometimes pretend that injuries and bad luck are responsible. But then I start to think logically again.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, but he doesn't have to only depend on Cowboy fans to fill those seats. He's just as happy to sell those seats to Commanders', Giants', and Eagles' fans (and fans of all other teams on the Cowboys home schedule).

I think most owners would be fine with sell outs, even if they come from fans of other teams.

That is why he focuses more on the relevance aspect. As long as people might pay to see the Cowboys get beaten, who cares.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Yeah, but he doesn't have to only depend on Cowboy fans to fill those seats. He's just as happy to sell those seats to Commanders', Giants', and Eagles' fans (and fans of all other teams on the Cowboys home schedule).

Aren't the games sold out so it's Cowboy fans selling the tickets not Jerry.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Aren't the games sold out so it's Cowboy fans selling the tickets not Jerry.

Doesn't matter; Jerry gets the money from the initial sale.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I think most owners would be fine with sell outs, even if they come from fans of other teams.

That is why he focuses more on the relevance aspect. As long as people might pay to see the Cowboys get beaten, who cares.

That was my point in the first place. Garrett's job doesn't depend on the Cowboys' success (it depends on his willingness to be JJ's "yes" man). Even if the Cowboys lose, the stadium still gets sold out...whether Cowboy fans are sitting in the seats or Commanders fans, he doesn't care. He makes money either way and remains relevant.

 

[Idgit]

If it is so old, why keep throwing in the idea that things are just not so bad and everyone is exaggerating their frustrations?

There are momentary lapses where I sometimes pretend that injuries and bad luck are responsible. But then I start to think logically again.

You really must not be reading any of my posts. I've been explicit in every critical thread as to what things are bad and what I believe needs to be done to fix it. And there's no way you don't realize that injuries on defense played a role in the teams' struggles on defense last season, so I'm just going to ignore the fact that you're trying to chalk that up as pretense. As for the 'bad luck' argument, that's something you've made up in your head, apparently, or attributed to me from another poster, so I won't bother to defend that silliness, either. Except to say that I don't believe in bad luck, and, if it does exist, you can't do anything about it so there's no point in addressing it.

As far as disappointed Cowboys fans venting about everything and anything relating to the team from winning coin tosses to last year's draft, that's understandable. It's what fans do when they're frustrated and disappointed and wanting to lash out. It doesn't make the behavior rational. And when a season doesn't end well, it doesn't meant that everybody who was negative was right and everybody who was positive was wrong. If you're right about the outcome and for the right reasons, that's impressive. If you complain about everything just so you can take a victory lap in the overwhelming likelihood our fans end up disappointed, well, forgive me if I'm not very impressed with your acumen. That's no victory lap. That's just you running around the track one last time holding a white flag with a star on it while the rest of us are packing up and heading to our cars.

And for the record: we're not winning enough games against good teams right now because we play lousy pass defense. Period. Last season, it was the turnover differential, the red zone scoring, and the pass defense. The year before that, it was the pass defense. There's a trend here, that we should all be able to pick up on, and it's got very little to do with the contract status of the head coach. We don't need to pretend the issue is more complicated than this. We don't need everything else to be wrong with the organization, because this one reason is sufficient to explain just about every one of our losses. We're really, really bad at making it hard on other people to pass the ball and move the chains. And I think we can all agree, it's because of things Jason Garrett, and Jerry Jones, and Monte Kiffin, and Rod Marinelli, and all the defensive players have done. Nobody escapes blame for it, and it has to be fixed, or else JG is rightfully fired and we clean house again.