Garrett not a good coach?

[CowboyRoy]

The thing is.. Garrett is going nowhere. He is the safest coach maybe in all of sports right now.

I just can't imagine how many seasons we would have to just be completely abysmal in until Jerry and Stephen got rid of him.


So even though I would like to have a coach that makes more of a difference on Sunday's it's just not worth having to lose like we would have to lose for Jerry to actually get rid of the guy.



We just have to hope that his basic / fundamental approach is enough to win the Superbowl when all the other teams are throwing the kitchen sink at us in the playoffs.

I cant argue with that. If Garrett hasnt been fired for his coaching prior to 2016, then I dont see him ever getting fired. Sadly, other than Bellicheck, he is probably the safest coach in all of football.

My hope is that Jerry and McClay get enough talent in here that we are good enough to win in spite of Garretts short comings. But any way you slice it, we will win less than we should have regardless. With a quality game day head coach we might have won a SB last year. Although no doubt the Garrett apologists will claim we would have lost anyway.

Or Jerry could continue to do what he has done thus far. Continue to strip Garrett of gameday and clock management. Although I dont see that happening either.

 

[haleyrules]

I cant argue with that. If Garrett hasnt been fired for his coaching prior to 2016, then I dont see him ever getting fired. Sadly, other than Bellicheck, he is probably the safest coach in all of football.

My hope is that Jerry and McClay get enough talent in here that we are good enough to win in spite of Garretts short comings. But any way you slice it, we will win less than we should have regardless. With a quality game day head coach we might have won a SB last year. Although no doubt the Garrett apologists will claim we would have lost anyway.

Or Jerry could continue to do what he has done thus far. Continue to strip Garrett of gameday and clock management. Although I dont see that happening either.

Garrett is a joke. Jones keeps him around to prove a point. Garrett is bright...he gets it..he uses Jerry and has prospered by his association with Jones. He knows he is not a serious HC. He will never...ever...win a SB..the NFL doesn't work that way.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Garrett is a joke. Jones keeps him around to prove a point. Garrett is bright...he gets it..he uses Jerry and has prospered by his association with Jones. He knows he is not a serious HC. He will never...ever...win a SB..the NFL doesn't work that way.

If we can get this defense to be legitimate, then I think we can win a SB regardless who is head coach. This team has too much talent and the coordinators are good quality. And certainly when Brady retires or is no longer serviceable there will be a vacuum there.

 

[the_h0wey]

Jason Garrett is not a good coach? read article below, this should be fun.

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I don't think he is a good coach. He is basically 500 for his career. He has done less with more year after year. This franchise will be better off when he is gone.

 

[big dog cowboy]

And I absolutely adore the way he stonewalls the media.

The man has those pressers down doesn't he?

 

[Trouty]

The man has those pressers down doesn't he?

Absolutely does, BD

 

[Idgit]

I don't think he is a good coach. He is basically 500 for his career. He has done less with more year after year. This franchise will be better off when he is gone.

Out of curiosity, which of the rosters between 2011-2013 did you think we're significantly better than .500 teams?

 

[haleyrules]

I don't think he is a good coach. He is basically 500 for his career. He has done less with more year after year. This franchise will be better off when he is gone.

Amen. The sooner the better.

 

[the_h0wey]

Out of curiosity, which of the rosters between 2011-2013 did you think we're significantly better than .500 teams?

I think any of those 3 teams could have been significantly better than what their records show. I can remember multiple times during that stretch where poor coaching decisions with play calling and or poor clock management cost us games. The Baltimore game comes to mind in 2012. A Pee Wee football coach could have managed the end of the game better than Garrett did. Throwing the ball instead of running down the clock with Demarco Murray directly cost us the game against a Matt Flynn led Packers in 2013. The Escobar pick in 2013 was clearly a Garrett selection. If you remember for years he tried to implement what the Pats were doing with 2 TE's into our offense. We all know how that worked out. All that is just off the top of my head. I'm sure there is plenty more brilliant Garrett moments I'm forgetting.

 

[Idgit]

I think any of those 3 teams could have been significantly better than what their records show. I can remember multiple times during that stretch where poor coaching decisions with play calling and or poor clock management cost us games. The Baltimore game comes to mind in 2012. A Pee Wee football coach could have managed the end of the game better than Garrett did. Throwing the ball instead of running down the clock with Demarco Murray directly cost us the game against a Matt Flynn led Packers in 2013. The Escobar pick in 2013 was clearly a Garrett selection. If you remember for years he tried to implement what the Pats were doing with 2 TE's into our offense. We all know how that worked out. All that is just off the top of my head. I'm sure there is plenty more brilliant Garrett moments I'm forgetting.

I wasn't really asking for a replay of everybody's favorite play calling second guessing, because I remember all this discussions fairly well. I was just curious how good you thought those rosters actually were. 'Significantly better than 8-8' is a huge stretch for me when I look at who we had out there during those early seasons.

 

[the_h0wey]

I wasn't really asking for a replay of everybody's favorite play calling second guessing, because I remember all this discussions fairly well. I was just curious how good you thought those rosters actually were. 'Significantly better than 8-8' is a huge stretch for me when I look at who we had out there during those early seasons.

I gave you multiple examples of how his poor coaching and time management cost us games. I'm not sure what else you were looking for. It's obvious you were always going to disagree with me regardless of what examples I gave you. Cheers

 

[Idgit]

I gave you multiple examples of how his poor coaching and time management cost us games. I'm not sure what else you were looking for. It's obvious you were always going to disagree with me regardless of what examples I gave you. Cheers

Fair enough. We don't have to discuss it.

But to be clear, I didn't ask you anything about examples of what you consider to be poor coaching. I asked which rosters you thought were significantly better than .500. It sounds like you probably think they all were. (And, yeah, I'd disagree with that.)

 

[haleyrules]

Garrett is so terrible that, imagine this, ONLY Jerry Jones would employ him. .

 

[Idgit]

Garrett is so terrible that, imagine this, ONLY Jerry Jones would employ him. .

Dallas, Baltimore, Atlanta offered him jobs, if the reports are accurate. Detroit, Denver, and St Louis also interested, IIRC.

That was before the 12+ win seasons and the NFL COTY recognition, though. So maybe you guys are right. After all, there were all those times we passed when the_h0wey thought we should have run. Those NFL teams probably just don't know about those.

 

[haleyrules]

Dallas, Baltimore, Atlanta offered him jobs, if the reports are accurate. Detroit, Denver, and St Louis also interested, IIRC.

That was before the 12+ win seasons and the NFL COTY recognition, though. So maybe you guys are right. After all, there were all those times we passed when the_h0wey thought we should have run. Those NFL teams probably just don't know about those.

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[haleyrules]

Dallas, Baltimore, Atlanta offered him jobs, if the reports are accurate. Detroit, Denver, and St Louis also interested, IIRC.

That was before the 12+ win seasons and the NFL COTY recognition, though. So maybe you guys are right. After all, there were all those times we passed when the_h0wey thought we should have run. Those NFL teams probably just don't know about those.

The real COTY is Bill Belichick. .

 

[Idgit]

The real COTY is Bill Belichick. .

He's the best ever, yep.

 

[Alexander]

Out of curiosity, which of the rosters between 2011-2013 did you think we're significantly better than .500 teams?

I bet Bengals fans are saying the same thing right now about Marvin Lewis.

Those teams, just so untalented. He did a great job getting them to .500.

 

[Idgit]

I bet Bengals fans are saying the same thing right now about Marvin Lewis.

Those teams, just so untalented. He did a great job getting them to .500.

He's finished with 10,11, 10, and 12 wins prior to last year's 6-9-1. There's a reason he's got the tenure he does in CIN.

I'm not a huge Marvin Lewis fan, but do you think he's the problem with the Bengals? If this were a 'is Marvin Lewis a good coach?' thread I'd be saying 'he's pretty good.' I think most reasonable football fans would, don't you?

 

[Alexander]

He's finished with 10,11, 10, and 12 wins prior to last year's 6-9-1. There's a reason he's got the tenure he does in CIN.

I'm not a huge Marvin Lewis fan, but do you think he's the problem with the Bengals? If this were a 'is Marvin Lewis a good coach?' thread I'd be saying 'he's pretty good.' I think most reasonable football fans would, don't you?

There comes a time when a "pretty good" coach hits the wall.

"Pretty good" in the NFL is 8-8. That is Lewis' standard.

Jumping over the Mendoza line is hard, I get it.

But there he is. And I would say the Bengals have not been talent poor and he underachieved.

Lewis for whatever reason lacks "it", just like somewhat talented players lack "it".

He can't win big stakes games. Whether it is a lack of nerve, poor clock management, reluctance to trust young players, it is there.

Garrett could have made the playoffs in a lot of the one and done games. But I don't think he would have been able to make it past a round.