Garrett record compared to others?

[Dre11]

Actually this rationale is amazing.

The Ravens had interest in him in 2008. 10 years ago. Before he had any track record as a head coach. We now have a track record of Garrett as a head coach. It's not great. 1 playoff win in 7 seasons. 2 playoff appearances in 7 years. Only Marvin Lewis has a worse winning percentage of coaches employed since Garrett took the job.

But yeah, Garrett is probably really good at Xs and Os because one NFL team wanted him 10 years ago before he has shown what kind of head coach he is, which is an average to slightly above average one.

It doesn't matter how long ago it was. If he didn't know X's and O's nobody would've wanted him.

 

[Dre11]

You apparently can't read. Either that or you've got an agenda of some kind, maybe some pro-carrot agenda you profit off of. Let me repeat this for you:

TONY ROMO, HIS OLD QUARTERBACK, SAID HE ISN'T AN X'S AND O'S GUY. Romo would know. The carrot colored idiot puppet wasted his entire career.

So please tell me how his offenses stayed in the top ten as a coordinator?

 

[Mad_max]

It doesn't matter how long ago it was. If he didn't know X's and O's nobody would've wanted him.

He Garrett looked all right in 2010. But went downhill after that.

 

[Dre11]

You do need me and people like me as fans. Vocal dissent and not accepting the state of the franchise is the only thing that may lead to some meaningful change. Otherwise, Jerry will be more than happy to take your positive energy, along with your money, and give you a half-*** product because he knows people like you will accept it.

Really? Let's see what change you bring....lol

 

[Dre11]

Actually this rationale is amazing.

The Ravens had interest in him in 2008. 10 years ago. Before he had any track record as a head coach. We now have a track record of Garrett as a head coach. It's not great. 1 playoff win in 7 seasons. 2 playoff appearances in 7 years. Only Marvin Lewis has a worse winning percentage of coaches employed since Garrett took the job.

But yeah, Garrett is probably really good at Xs and Os because one NFL team wanted him 10 years ago before he has shown what kind of head coach he is, which is an average to slightly above average one.

Garrett had been a member of the Cowboys’ coaching staff since 2007. The former Cowboys quarterback, who was Troy Aikman’s backup from 1993-1999, entered the coaching profession in 2005 as the Miami Dolphins quarterbacks coach. After two seasons working under Nick Saban with the Dolphins, Garrett moved back to Dallas when Jones hired him to be the Cowboys’ offensive coordinator starting with the 2007 season.

A year later, during the 2008 offseason, Garrett was a hot coaching prospect in NFL circles. He turned down opportunities to be the head coach for the Atlanta Falcons and Baltimore Ravens in order to stay with the Cowboys. Garrett handled the offense, while Phillips (widely admired for his defensive acumen) handled the defense. At the time it seemed as though Jones was grooming Garrett to eventually succeed Phillips as head coach, but certainly not in the middle of a season.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Who cares if Garrett was a good prospect in 2010. Doubt he'd get much of a look now except maybe from the scrubs of the league. Mediocrity just goes on and on and on with no end in sight. That's Garrett.

 

[Keithfansince5]

So please tell me how his offenses stayed in the top ten as a coordinator?

TONY FREAKING ROMO that is how.

 

[Darthkuriboh]

So please tell me how his offenses stayed in the top ten as a coordinator?

Having a top 10 QB all time leading it. Romo would often audible out of whatever the idiot puppet sent from the sideline.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I understand and I’m not advocating Garrett is a good coach. What I am advocating is Garrett appears to be the best puppet Jerry has had influencing Jerry in attempting to assemble a more talented team which I believe is only way to overcome it all.. more talent.

The worse that can happen is we return back to the collapse we had when Garrett took over or the 5-11 funk before Bill took over. As frustrating as it’s been under Garrett I actually believe we’ve assembled the best team since Parcells and been as close to the brink of a championship appearance since that Parcells built team.

I’m not prepared to throw it all away for the next no name or washed up puppet. I don’t often agree with Jerry but we are invested in Garrett even if it doesn’t have the same meaning.

Hey, we’re stuck as you say with Jerry’s agenda. I’m just looking for the best means to overcome it and from what I’ve seen this century unless your bringing in another Parcells type this could be it. Even with Bill we didn’t have much more success.

Part of it is I’ve kinda of resigned to the notion we can do much better in this dysfunctional situation with Jerry’s stranglehold and have lowered my expectations . I like Garrett and his connection to our glorious history and if I’m going to have to root for a puppet I like him personally and am rooting for him.

My greater concern is our talent and why I have such worries at key positions like QB because we need elite talent to overcome. Last year I thought we might have it now Im not so sure.

I hear bro, you do make some good points.

At least we both are in total agreement that Garrett is nothing more than a puppet and a joke of a head coach.

Where we differ is that you believe with superior talent, we can overcome both Jerry's meddling and Garrett's incompetence. This is actually a very logical and reasonable solution to our problem, however my concern is with accumulating superior talent. We don't spend much money in free agency so we have to rely almost exclusively on the draft. I don't know if we have a good enough front office to build a roster of superior talent just from the draft, lets hope Will McClay is as good as advertised.

 

[Batman1980]

LOL that book is classic, I'm stealing it to post somewhere else. Garrett is the perfect puppet. Success doesn't matter to him and he will never rock the boat.

 

[Beast_from_East]

That’s part of it. The bigger issue is Jerry doesn’t want a coach who’s going to recieve as much credit as Jimmy did.

So, that limits our prospects .

Agreed...............you are absolutely correct my friend, Jerry wants to win AS LONG AS HE GETS THE CREDIT.

That is why we end up with puppet joke coaches like Garrett, because nobody is going to say "Garrett is the sole reason the Cowboys won a ring". Hell, almost 95% of this board voted to fire him because his is an incompetent idiot and when we do win its despite him, not because of him. So no, he would receive very little credit from the fan base and media if the Cowboys some how some way managed to win a ring under him. And that is exactly why Jerry keeps him around.

That is why Jerry will also never hire established, proven winner head coaches like Cowher or Saban or Harbough because he doesn't want anybody to say "Harbough won a ring for the Cowboys".

Its sad, but true.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I’m merely pointing out facts. I’ve offered no assessment one way or another. If those facts conflict with a narrative you have created, it is likely your narrative that is in error.

Exactly....................I always find it hilarious when the pro Garrett fan boys get their panties in a knot when you point to Garrett's coaching record.

Is it my fault that Marvin Lewis and Jason Garrett are the only two head coaches in the NFL still employed despite no SB appearance? Every other head coach in the NFL over the past 7 seasons has either made a trip to the SB or have been fired, all but the loser twins of Lewis and Garrett.

This is a fact, it is not open for discussion or interpretation........and yet, every time this gets mentioned the Garrett fan boys go ballistic, too funny.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's not worn out, what's funny is nobody had a thing to say last year. Just shows how fickle some fans are.

You mean last year when as the number one seed the team was "one and done"?

That is your measuring stick of a "great season"?

What's next, building a statue of Garrett outside the stadium to commemorate his lone playoff victory? Think about it, it could be total awesome and it could be engraved with the saying "I was there, on that day, and saw it happen". You could even pretend that game was for a Championship and just like the Rocky statue in Philly, they both can be "pretend champions". I mean, just look at how much Philly enjoys their statue of a pretend champion, Garrett's statue could be just like this!!!

 

[Beast_from_East]

Well, I'll say this, as a coordinator his offense stayed in the upper half of the league. It's kinda hard to do that without knowing X's and O's...lol it's also ironic an average joe saying a professional coach doesn't know X's and O's.

So when JG was available a hot candidate. Then offered the head coaching job in Baltimore, they couldn't see he didn't know X's and O's? Surely a highly respected front office around the league, did their homework.

You're amazing...lol

A. It was Linehan's offense so Garrett had jack to do with the Xs and Os.

B. Tony Romo said during a game broadcast that Garrett was "not an Xs and Os" type of head coach, he was much more into the motivational thing and that he would try to find what motivates certain guys and push those buttons during the week. Again, Garrett did jack with the Xs and Os according to Romo.

So who should we believe, Tony Romo that says Garrett didn't do jack as far as Xs and Os or should we believe you, an random internet poster?

 

[Nashville_Cowboy]

Churning the assistant coach roster will not fix what's broken in Dallas. Garrett / Linehan / Marinelli should have been the first ones out the door and, by keeping both coordinators, Garrett has sealed his own fate. In 2018, the three of them will finally fall on the sword of mediocrity.

 

[Diehardblues]

I hear bro, you do make some good points.

At least we both are in total agreement that Garrett is nothing more than a puppet and a joke of a head coach.

Where we differ is that you believe with superior talent, we can overcome both Jerry's meddling and Garrett's incompetence. This is actually a very logical and reasonable solution to our problem, however my concern is with accumulating superior talent. We don't spend much money in free agency so we have to rely almost exclusively on the draft. I don't know if we have a good enough front office to build a roster of superior talent just from the draft, lets hope Will McClay is as good as advertised.

I don’t necessarily believe we can overcome I just believe he presents the best opportunity I’ve seen with Jerry to have a shot at it given all the obstacles they both present.

Garrett brings a couple of assets like his influence with Jerry in his vision of bringing in talent and why we’ve seen more influx of talent in the right places like OL. Sure Will is finding them but it’s Garretts vision. Also, Garrett holds the team together in crisis.

Garrett’s weaknesses are actually coaching. How sad is that and game planning, adjustments and schemes and why he’d make a better GM than coach. He’s basically a figure head on the sidelines. Like Jerry’s head cheerleader trying to keep the troops energized and focused .

But it’s why I have some hope in an otherwise hopeless situation. The talent they brought in so far has brought us to the brink of a championship appearance couple years maybe a couple more key pieces can at least get us to a championship game where anything can happen . Just saying but that’s where my hope resides.

 

[Sydla]

It doesn't matter how long ago it was. If he didn't know X's and O's nobody would've wanted him.

This is such a simplistic look at this.

I am sure Garrett knows Xs and Os and can explain to you the difference between 11 personnel, 12 personnel and 13 personnel and explain a route tree and understand ways to combat certain defensive formations.

But almost all people in the NFL can do that. What separates the great coaches from the chum goes beyond Xs and Os. The ability to adapt, for example. The ability to just have a feel for how a game is going and what needs to change. The ability to almost get inside the head of the other coaching staff and be one step ahead of them in a big game.

These are things where I think Garrett lacks the acumen to be an upper echelon coach. Sure, he can stand at a white board and draw up plays and dazzle you with his knowledge. He's a smart guy. But I think where he struggles is quick thinking on his feet, the ability to see the flow of a game and adapt, the ability to figure out ways to overcome speed bumps during a season, a game, etc.

And yes, it matters that the Ravens wanted him 10 years ago. Because 10 years later we now have a track record on Garrett. And it's not great.

 

[Stash]

Churning the assistant coach roster will not fix what's broken in Dallas. Garrett / Linehan / Marinelli should have been the first ones out the door and, by keeping both coordinators, Garrett has sealed his own fate. In 2018, the three of them will finally fall on the sword of mediocrity.

I'm expecting the same thing.

But even then, what should have been a one year coaching purge will then become a two to three year process.

This team can't even get a firing right.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Always makes me laugh to hear people tout Garrett's "vision." What does that even mean?

Every football coach is trying to do basically the same thing. But just like with any other profession, some are better at it than others. Unfortunately, Garrett isn't very good at his.

Unless you're counting charming the local media and staying in Jerry's employ long enough to accumulate 50+ million dollars. Garrett is great at that.

 

[Nashville_Cowboy]

I'm expecting the same thing.

But even then, what should have been a one year coaching purge will then become a two to three year process.

This team can't even get a firing right.

You nailed that!

Garrett has some intangibles that benefit the organization - namely, being able to coincide with Jerry and buffer all of his "Johnny Walkerisms". There may be a place for him but, currently, he has the wrong job title on his office door.