Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by rcaldw, Oct 14, 2014.
haha sure thing. players don't improve. cookoo cookoo
jumbo0745 on the mothership's forum posted this earlier today (I'm trying to persuade him to join the zone) -
Just looking at the 2012 draft will tell you there was no "grand" plan or real commitment to build the OLine using high draft picks.
You would think if they had a plan to build an OLine like SF did, they at least would draft an Olinemen in every draft. Niners spent two 1st round picks on OLine in one year. We didn't even draft an OLinemen in 2012.
What kind of plan and commitment is that?
This is all revisionist BS. If our OLine was sucking this year, do you think JG will make a point about how he had this plan to use first rounders to build our OLine? I highly doubt it.
Decastro was the only guy worthy of a high draft pick, and 31 other teams also have plans in place.
Did you read the whole post? We didn't even draft one OLinemen. We were willing to use 2 high picks for a CB. Surely, if they had this great plan and commitment to build a OLine via the draft, you think they would at least pick one.
who are you ruing here?
There are posters so invested in hating Garrett that any fact would be doubted. Any positive will get moved to someone else and all negatives get laid at his feet.
It is laughable.
Linehan is not the reason we are running more. He is a career 60/40 pass play caller. He just became the savior that suddenly went to 50/50 because some would rather stick a shotgun in their mouth and pull the trigger than give Garrett any credit.
As for that 2012 draft, it was a weak OL draft and I bet that the same ones complaining about the "plan" would be yelling to high heaven had we reached for OL instead of sticking to our board.
There is no rueage. Just pointing out the facts. If you have a plan and a commitment to build something , you don't skip a year.
Im not really a garrett hater, but did we hear about this plan 3 years ago? For that matter, did we ever hear it from the team?
It was very weak, yet we signed 6 undrafted free agents, including Leary.
After how 2011 unfolded, an offensive minded coach focusing on the offense would of made no sense at all
we didn't skip a year. We didn't find any value at our spot in the draft. We did sign 6 rookie lineman though.
Serendipity happens when your working your goals and the higher nature is working along with you>
I'm not sure you can come out as an organization and say this is our three year or five year plan. Fans don't want to hear that (just ask the Zone) and you put yourself in a corner because if it doesn't work you can't sell the next plan to the base - especially if you're the GM for life.
I think we all have to agree that what is happening is a confluence or strategic decisions, some damn good coaching, players being put in positions to believe in themselves (and the coaches) and finally some good fortune. It's one thing to draft three number ones--
It's a whole other thing that they are kicking everybody's *** every single week and that included Leary and Free.
2012 Draft was clearly a defensive draft. There was no plan to draft Olinemen. If they did, they would have. Just like this year, we had no plan but we lucked into getting Martin. We were trying so hard to trade out when we couldn't get the defensive players we wanted. Lucky for us, no one wanted our spot.
Thats the point. We really never talked about being a running team at all until this year. Yet the media seems to think we had this planned all along.
Funny you mentioned about the 12 personnel - a formation which we invested 3 high draft picks on Tightends and never really used to its fullest. Heck, Escobar can't even block and we want to say that we were going to run from that formation? I think not. Yet we wasted high picks on tightends more so than linesmen prior to 2013.
Action speaks louder than words. We invested high picks on linesmen so we can protect Romo. The media is writing stuff as though they knew it all along as if they have the inside scoop on this team. They don't. Thus I'm not buying their BS.
Jerry and Stephen Jones wanted Frederick to protect the investment they just made in Romo up the middle of the pocket.
Wrong it what? Facts are 3rd and short when Garrett was calling plays was a passing down, not run. So yes we struggled because we passed.
If you look at Murray's history his total average is 5 yards a carry even without a dominant oline. Which means that we have had a running game all these years but failed to exploit it.
Yes...facts that people fail to point out and ignore.
Do you know why we wanted to be a 12 dominant personnel team? I'll wait.
Did you watch this team try and convert 3rd downs last year? And we largely struggled because we couldn't line up helmet on helmet and run it even though you knew that's what we wanted to do. And yes Murray has a good career average but largely because he always ran into good fronts (kill kill kill) and team's expected the pass (because we were good at passing and not good at running into a box expecting run). It's as if you didn't watch this team.
Oh this should help....
At this point, I really don't care who takes credit for "the plan". As long as we keep winning, that is all that matters.